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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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novaveritas said:
The real question is why was it not possible to culture the virus from numerous patients with positive PCR tests. That is much more important. These were probably cold positives so it wouldn't make any difference what cell line was used, the PCR was seeing inactivated viral RNA.

culturing on Vero or CaCo is pretty straight forward. Vero E6 is used for plaque forming neutralisation assay for south african variant elsewhere in the world.
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Well you obviously know a whole lot more than I do that's for sure.

To be honest: not sure how I feel about it all though. I mean I realize this type of thing is necessary and for research purposes. But isn't it a bit like playing with fire? Dunno. Well that was my first reaction when I first saw the insert when it was initially live on the news here.

Put another way: some years ago out institutes were second to none. And I'm sure we've got a whole bunch in containment for research purposes (not least of which would be the likes of Ebola for example). And certainly proud. And definitely not knocking our academics. Just hope things are secure is my point I suppose.

Fun fact though on this (and was oddly enough just telling somebody about this very thing this very morning):

They've done some research here and, in four of our provinces anyway, the research apparently shows that around six in ten already have the antibodies (research and related statements made with the usual disclaimers of course). And this before any vaccines came into play.

Anyway. Thanks for noticing and responding. Way above my pay grade. But interesting nevertheless.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Do you think it's possible that you're wrong?



I'm not going to spend a long time explaining this to you, because I suspect you're so far down the rabbit hole at this point that you can't see light.

I don't need to show you an "analysis". The problem with interpreting statistics, is: you can find whatever you want. Fortunately, in this case, there is no need to interpret stats. All you have to do is look at over a dozen countries including Australia and NZ that did a hard lockdown early and compare them to countries (like the US) that did not. There is no need to overly complicate things. I don't need to take into account the factors you suggest, because it is obvious that lockdowns can work.

Is it possible that a lockdown might fail? Sure. Absolutely. Can a (relatively) soft lockdown contain the virus when implemented late, without the aide of a vaccine, and when the infection is already massively widespread? I don't know. It took Australia months to contain COVID-19 and the numbers were never anywhere near as high as the US per million. So, a soft lockdown is probably not going to work.

You're seeing what you want to see.
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Let history be the judge.
 
dalpat077 said:
Well you obviously know a whole lot more than I do that's for sure.

To be honest: not sure how I feel about it all though. I mean I realize this type of thing is necessary and for research purposes. But isn't it a bit like playing with fire? Dunno. Well that was my first reaction when I first saw the insert when it was initially live on the news here.

Put another way: some years ago out institutes were second to none. And I'm sure we've got a whole bunch in containment for research purposes (not least of which would be the likes of Ebola for example). And certainly proud. And definitely not knocking our academics. Just hope things are secure is my point I suppose.

Fun fact though on this (and was oddly enough just telling somebody about this very thing this very morning):

They've done some research here and, in four of our provinces anyway, the research apparently shows that around six in ten already have the antibodies (research and related statements made with the usual disclaimers of course). And this before any vaccines came into play.

Anyway. Thanks for noticing and responding. Way above my pay grade. But interesting nevertheless.
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SA science is coming back strong. SA is looking to Asia, not to Europe and USA. There are a lot of interesting developments and after under-performing for so long it is good to see the change. There will be a huge investment opportunity in biotech in SA it has a unique opportunity.

I wouldn't worry about some virus in a dish in a lab when there were plenty of people in the townships and elsewhere brewing their own coronavirus the old fashioned way and spreading it.
 
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chinup said:
you are just copying and pasting from one guys website, which though it references studies does not contain studies itself- i suspet there is a reason that guy has to post this stuff on his own website rather than get it published in respectable journals. i read 2 articles in full, that was sufficient for me to judge the merit of anything posted on that website.

those studies, which you copied and pasted from that website. are about the use of masks in surgery, which says nothing about their use for controlling pandemics. not relevant. analogously, viagra's was developed to treat hypertension but was found not to be effective, but this is not relevant when you are considering using it to treat erectile dysfunction.

common sense says that if a lockdown is exited too early, or too many people are allowed to travel into an area that is not under lockdown but was previously, a new lockdown my be required to bring the infection rate back under control. another analogy, if you go to physiotherapy for one injury, then are not cautious so create a flare up in that injury, its not physiotherapy that doesn't work, its environmental factors.
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& youre just repeating yourself & refusing to read LITERAL SCIENTIFIC DATE & STUDIES that prove you wrong.
 
novaveritas said:
Lockdowns work Eh? Care to explain North Dakota vs South Dakota then.....

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An interactive visualization of COVID-19 | 91-DIVOC

An interactive, data-forward visualization of COVID-19 data by Prof. Wade at The University of Illinois. Updated daily.
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You can do exactly the same for mask mandates, no signal for a real difference.

Thus the truck of conflicting evidence runs over the dogma.

There is no problem with people taking a pseudo-religeous dogmatic belief based position but don't pretend it is scientific or based on critical thinking.

'High impact paper' 'experts' is an appeal to authority fallacy dressed up as something else. Consensus thinking nonsense. Common sense is not very common and even less common among academics.

It is worth reading Kahnemans book Thinking, fast and slow.
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exactly... masks dont work, NOT ONLY do scientific & medical studies/professionals prove that, bt SO DOES THIS THING CALLED DATA.

same for lockdowns, DATA & statistics prove they DO NOT WORK.

why is a state like FLORIDA flourishing when HEAVILY locked down states like NY & CA [where I unfortunately live] ARE STILL RISING IN "CASES" ?

its deeper than just a "virus",...... ill say that.
 
bediphrent said:
then why don’t you
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Gee, I dunno. It skipped a generation?

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If neither lockdowns or masks work, explain Australia. I can't prove that both of them work, but at least one of them must be working... unless you have some alternate explanation?

All the COVID conspiracy people are making this more complicated than it is.

Either you have a sensible explanation for Victoria or you don't.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Gee, I dunno. It skipped a generation?

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If neither lockdowns or masks work, explain Australia. I can't prove that both of them work, but at least one of them must be working... unless you have some alternate explanation?

All the COVID conspiracy people are making this more complicated than it is.

Either you have a sensible explanation for Victoria or you don't.
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As someone who's dated at least 2 pretty heavy conspiracy theorists. Take my advice. Don't go down this rabbit hole.

I've spent hours arguing futiley with my exbf that Australia HAS NOT ALREADY REACHED HERD IMMUNITY. that's his excuse. Lockdowns and masks don't work, cases actually went down because of herd immunity. And also that covid is already everywhere and therefore it the cases are higher the health risks are less bad than they look (he seems to entirely ignore the sewer monitoring systems).

These people just believe whatever they want to believe and trust garbage studies and pseudoscience and then accuse others of going "against the science". It's just nonsense.
 
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It's like a game of whack-a-mole. They just keep popping up.

These people just believe whatever they want to believe and trust garbage studies and pseudoscience and then accuse others of going "against the science". It's just nonsense.
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Indeed. They make statements like YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK AT THE DATA, then you show them data and they totally ignore it.

COVID has finally convinced me that there is no point trying to change anybody's mind. This is depressing for me, because once upon a time I was an idealistic hippy that wanted to change the world. Now, I realize there is no point... but there's always a silver lining. After all the frustration I have endured wasting my time trying in vain to convince people, it is comforting (in the same way I imagine death is comforting) to finally give up.

Like I said, there is either a sensible explanation for Victoria or there isn't. I don't care about Florida or New York. It doesn't explain Victoria. Herd immunity is not a sensible explanation either.

Victoria is proof that masks and/or lockdowns can work. Check mate. End of discussion.
 
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