Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The one thing I find strange about this whole pandemic is that it's all suddenly gone quiet about its origin.

First we were told that it came from the wet markets of Wuhan, then that it may have escaped from a laboratory nearby, then nothing.

The Chinese have unleashed a deadly virus upon the world and we've all just accepted it. Why is the rest of the world not holding them to account for it?

It seems that it's all been brushed under the carpet and no one is asking questions - at least not in public.

Perhaps there are loads of investigations going on that we dont know about, but it just seems a little weird to me...

 

[JGrimez]

If I saw a government record stating covid-19 doesn't exist, that would be something that might change my mind.

You sure about that? Did the scientific consensus change your mind about masks?

 

[JGrimez]

The one thing I find strange about this whole pandemic is that it's all suddenly gone quiet about its origin.

First we were told that it came from the wet markets of Wuhan, then that it may have escaped from a laboratory nearby, then nothing.

The Chinese have unleashed a deadly virus upon the world and we've all just accepted it. Why is the rest of the world not holding them to account for it?

It seems that it's all been brushed under the carpet and no one is asking questions - at least not in public.

Perhaps there are loads of investigations going on that we dont know about, but it just seems a little weird to me...

It probably wasn't just China, hence the radio silence.
We know for a fact (by retroactively testing samples) that covid19 was in Italy and France in late 2019 - BEFORE the alleged first outbreak in China. So how did it get there during that time period?


Did COVID-19 escape Fort Detrick vaccine trial? Evidence that virus originated in US bioweapons lab

As readers will recall from the earlier article (above), Japanese and Taiwanese epidemiologists and pharmacologists have determined that the new coronavirus could have originated in the US since that country is the only one known to have all five types - from which all others must have descended. Wuhan in China has only one of those types, rendering it in analogy as a kind of "branch" which cannot exist by itself but must have grown from a "tree".

The Taiwanese physician noted that in August of 2019 the US had a flurry of lung pneumonias or similar, which the Americans blamed on 'vaping' from e-cigarettes, but which, according to the scientist, the symptoms and conditions could not be explained by e-cigarettes. He said he wrote to the US officials telling them he suspected those deaths were likely due to the coronavirus. He claims his warnings were ignored.

Immediately prior to that, the CDC totally shut down the US Military's main bio-lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, due to an absence of safeguards against pathogen leakages, issuing a complete "cease and desist" order to the military. It was immediately after this event that the 'e-cigarette' epidemic arose.

 

[Xorkoth]

No, because a handful of studies does not indicate scientific consensus. A whole lot of other studies suggest they help and huge numbers of scientists around the world agree with the position that they help reduce the spread. And medical workers have been using masks for ages, not because they don't work and they're ignoring facts, but because they do help.

If I saw a government paper saying that covid-19 doesn't exist, that I could verify was real and current, that would be a different thing. I am doubting very much that such a thing exists, though. No doubt you could find a study suggesting it doesn't but you can find studies suggesting literally anything.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

It probably wasn't just China, hence the radio silence.
We know for a fact (by retroactively testing samples) that covid19 was in Italy and France in late 2019 - BEFORE the alleged first outbreak in China. So how did it get there during that time period?


Did COVID-19 escape Fort Detrick vaccine trial? Evidence that virus originated in US bioweapons lab

Interesting. If that were the case it would certainly explain why we're no longer asking questions...

 

[AutoTripper]

Can you point me to such a government record? If I saw a government record stating covid-19 doesn't exist, that would be something that might change my mind.

I thought you said you had it? Am I thinking of someone else?

Sorry I would have replied quicker, just had to do my daily allergy manageament since I posted arpund the same time as you. Just finished.

I saw a lot of people posting and commenting about this on Facebook. I just loooked now. As usual currently most of the posts are removed pretty quickly, but I link what I dug up just now.

Just to clarify though, I didn't suggest there are official government records to show that Covid does NOT exist.

Rather that upon request, nobody has so far been able to obtain any official record of proof that it DOES exist, in isolation, which is kind of important if ypu are going to try and vaccinate the whole world.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...0015182318276&set=a.145940072588736&source=48



And I came across this 3 minute clip discussing the potential dangers of aluminium nanoparticles:

 

[alasdairm]

pedantically proove and convince anybody who really cannot see with open eyes, the scale of attack humanity is under and the agenda behind it all.

q.e.d.

Can you point me to such a government record? If I saw a government record stating covid-19 doesn't exist, that would be something that might change my mind.

maybe somebody - @AutoTripper ? - can point me to the official government record that proves elephants exist?

alasdair

 

[AutoTripper]

It seems that it's all been brushed under the carpet and no one is asking questions - at least not in public.

Well one person I don't think has forgotten, certainly not forgiven the origin, i.e. the Chinese, and has brought it up publically in recent public speeches, is Donald!

 

[novaveritas]

q.e.d.



maybe somebody - @AutoTripper ? - can point me to the official government record that proves elephants exist?

alasdair

are you an Elephant denier?

maybe this will help 16 USC 4261 - 4266

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:16%20section:4261%20edition:prelim)

or maybe

Exotic animal means any animal not identified in the definition of “animal” provided in this part that is native to a foreign country or of foreign origin or character, is not native to the United States, or was introduced from abroad. This term specifically includes animals such as, but not limited to, lions, tigers, leopards, elephants, camels, antelope, anteaters, kangaroos, and water buffalo, and species of foreign domestic cattle, such as Ankole, Gayal, and Yak.

CFR-2013-title9-vol1/xml/CFR-2013-title9-vol1-chapI-subchapA.xml

note no mention of Unicorns, or Nessie.

 

[AutoTripper]

q.e.d.



maybe somebody - @AutoTripper ? - can point me to the official government record that proves elephants exist?

alasdair

We don't need to vaccinate the world against Elephants. I'm not sure that is an entirely fitting analogy.

For something as serious as mass innoculation, which in the best of circumstances, already carries huge unquestionable risks, it would be rather important I think to actually have isolated the virus and have a record of proof that it does exist.

I believe it does, I said already. It's not a hoax in that sense, just an occasionally nasty seahorse blown up into, yes one of my favourite terms again- a Trojan Horse. With bells, whistles and springs.

 

[JGrimez]

No, because a handful of studies does not indicate scientific consensus. A whole lot of other studies suggest they help and huge numbers of scientists around the world agree with the position that they help reduce the spread. And medical workers have been using masks for ages, not because they don't work and they're ignoring facts, but because they do help.

A handful? I posted a multitude of studies from journals which appears to be the consensus.

And where exactly are the studies you speak of? I don't believe that you've seen any of these alleged studies and I reckon you're just assuming. If you can link some studies like I have, I would be interested in seeing them. Otherwise you're just making stuff up (which isn't a part of the scientific method).

 

[negrogesic]

So lets get this straight. You were visiting a hospital on business, collecting or delivering?

Instead you went on a bit of Covid-19 theme park tourism.

The way you tell it you went into a hot zone without training and without any legitimate reason or justification, you used a powered respirator which you borrowed from your doctor friend. You broke sanitary and you broke infection control, isolation for why?

Your doctor buddy tour guide went along with this.

The way it looks is this, You and your doctor friend were deeply irresponsible and reckless, and on that basis you are in no position whatever to lecture anyone about anything, especiallly accepting responsibility for your actions.

feel free to clarify

I work at a university that has a level 1 hospital on the campus. I routinely go there for various reasons. The doctor is a very close friend from high school and had described it to me before. He asked if i wanted to go downstairs this time and see it and said yes.

You might call it reckless but he has the position to do it and what i saw makes what you are saying sound foolish. Ive been in that hospital many times and that floor looked almost unrecognizable.

What is far more reckless is your denial of this.

 

[Xorkoth]

A handful? I posted a multitude of studies from journals which appears to be the consensus.

And where exactly are the studies you speak of? I don't believe that you've seen any of these alleged studies and I reckon you're just assuming. If you can link some studies like I have, I would be interested in seeing them. Otherwise you're just making stuff up (which isn't a part of the scientific method).

Effectiveness of Face Masks in Preventing Airborne Transmission of SARS-CoV-2​

This digest lists a variety of studies supporting mask wearing to help prevent transmission from sick individuals

Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2​

So I just googled and came up with these easily. There are many, many others, too, I am not going to waste my time coming up with a huge list when they are easily found. My point stands, it is not scientific consensus just because you found some studies suggesting masks don't work.

 

[cduggles]

Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines as distribution rollout struggles

About 50 percent of workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, along with 60 percent of nursing home staff in Ohio.

A survey of 2,053 New York City firefighters found that more than half said they would refuse the Covid-19 vaccine when it became available to them, according to a poll released by the Uniformed Firefighters Association this month.

Stupid people exist in all professions. It is known.

 

[negrogesic]

The vaccine refusal may be the second stage of this disaster. Based on modeling, if less than 40% of the population get the vaccine and protective measures are abandoned the public health burden may be even worse:

Is a COVID-19 Vaccine Likely to Make Things Worse? - PubMed

In order to limit the disease burden and economic costs associated with the COVID-19 pandemic, it is important to understand how effective and widely distributed a vaccine must be in order to have a beneficial impact on public health. To evaluate the potential effect of a vaccine, we developed...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

My doctor friend got the vaccine and didn't have any systemic side-effects. Just injection site pain.

 

[negrogesic]

Sorry I would have replied quicker, just had to do my daily allergy manageament since I posted arpund the same time as you. Just finished.

I saw a lot of people posting and commenting about this on Facebook. I just loooked now. As usual currently most of the posts are removed pretty quickly, but I link what I dug up just now.

Just to clarify though, I didn't suggest there are official government records to show that Covid does NOT exist.

Rather that upon request, nobody has so far been able to obtain any official record of proof that it DOES exist, in isolation, which is kind of important if ypu are going to try and vaccinate the whole world.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...0015182318276&set=a.145940072588736&source=48



And I came across this 3 minute clip discussing the potential dangers of aluminium nanoparticles:

You're really posting a woman ranting from a facebook post as part of making a point?

Negrogesic exits the chat.....

 

[S.J.B.]

Hundreds of Israelis get infected with Covid-19 after receiving Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine – reports

Of course they did. The clinical trial data made it very clear that immunity doesn't start ramping up until the second week after the first shot.

The Pfizer mRna vaccine was designed as two doses to be given 3 weeks apart, presumably for efficacy.
Now, the UK govt. has decided to push that 2nd dose back to 12 weeks.

Here is the article in question (please give a link, not just a screenshot of a headline).

This is an irresponsible decision on the part of the U.K. government. The trial data that supported the emergency approval of this vaccine was based on a set protocol. There isn't enough data to inform a significant change to that protocol. What's the point of requiring a large, well-controlled trial if it's just going to be ignored based on speculation? That's unscientific, and the last thing we need with so much vaccine scepticism is to add a legitimate reason to be sceptical.

 

[jpgrdnr]

The feels...

 

[Hylight]

You know what. I'm just going to pray for it to go away. At this point. Hard.

 

[AutoTripper]

You know what. I'm just going to pray for it to go away. At this point. Hard.

I will join you actually. Maybe the focus, direction and visualisation of our prayers will differ greatly, based on our individual belief systems, but I think we share a common goal.

And look, I just want to say @alasdairm it really is not my wish to get into any fiery, heated rhetorical battles with you, or anybody here.

I really don't mean to be offensive, objectionable, contemptuous, and my sacrcasm is never intendedly directed at a single person. It's just my nature of expression at times when I am incredibly passionate about something.

I will always try to keep peace, and not get into any catfights. Lots of members here I appreciate, we sit on opposite sides of fences, I am trying not to let that create any feelings of hostility or frustration.

It's a tough game. I will always speak my mind and heart. If I was not so sick and admittedly MDMA assulted plus Lyme impacts on cognition, in a sort of autistic fashion, I'm sure I would do a much better job at providing better reference for my wild claims.

Not a cop out, just an honest belief (I was gonna say "Fact" lol, but thought I had better not ).

Last thing I want is to actually fall out with any well meaning person, regardless of contrary beliefs.

I try to avoid nitpicking, I'm not accusing anybody of that, but it just brings me down.

You have gathered by now, me will always be me- right or wrong.

I do hope to be proven wrong as well. Party poppers will be at the ready in such a case.