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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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I mentioned it because I was sickened by the denying and minimizing that I was reading given what I witnessed with my own eyes.

You posted some facebook video of a woman over which is superimposed by text that reads "No proof exists that this virus even exists". This sort of material encourages denial among the impressionable, which increases the spread of this very real virus. This makes you both a fool and a menance as people could take it at face value and act accordingly. You are complicit and part of the problem.

Then others rambling on with the "masks aren't effective" and "its got a 99% survival rate" and "the covid death stats are a lie" type of nonsense imparts a sense of rage in me given what I've seen first hand.
I think you mean myself possibly, posting the video of the lady desparate to obtain an offcial record of the Virus's existence.

I have heard the same experience in multiple video interviews.

However, in no way was I trying to promote the idea that the virus does not exist.

I stongly believe it does, I had it last year.

I'm sorry your own first hand experience was so disturbing.

My own case was very easily treatable with electromedicine therapy, general supplements and herbs, Vitamin D3, oil of Oregano, vitamin C, raw organic garlic, Thieves essential oil inhalation.

Other viral infectuons I had in 2019 were a much much bigger problem for me and messed me up my whole general health, especially digestive system, diverticulitis, and more.

Way bigger issues than Covid was for me and my immune system is massively compromised.

I don't deny the virus can be deadly, damaging, or horrific for anybody.

There are ways of treating the virus which are ignored by the mainstream still.

Vitamin D RDA is still innacurately low. That stuff Trump was given in hospital works pretty good too I hear.

In a non corrupt world where the Drug Companies have so much wield over the FDA, electromedicine would be saving lives all over the world, in mainstream settings, wherever any type of infection is involved.
 
I think you mean myself possibly, posting the video of the lady desparate to obtain an offcial record of the Virus's existence.

Whoops it was your post.

Keep in mind that regardless of the content of that Facebook video, superimposed upon in big letters reads: "No proof exists that this virus even exists".

Consider the many thousands of impressionable people who will come across that statement, leaving an indelible mark in some and repeated by others. This could absolutely contribute to already skeptical people becoming even more skeptical, and in turn, less cautious, thereby accelerating the spread and harming more people.

What good does the statement "No proof exists that this virus even exists" do, particularly to the impressionable and undereducated people who spend hours upon hours on Facebook? Why would an articulate and ostensibly somewhat educated person like yourself feel compelled to share it here?

There is proof that SARS-CoV-2 does it exist, and it looks like this:



Notice the spike protein jutting out from the top. This is what makes it so infectious.

My apologies if I come off as a bit aggressive but after what I saw it is hard to remain civil.
 
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Whoops it was your post.

Keep in mind that regardless of the content of that Facebook video, superimposed upon in big letters reads: "No proof exists that this virus even exists".

Consider the many thousands of impressionable people who will come across that statement, leaving an indelible mark in some and repeated by others. This could absolutely contribute to already skeptical people becoming even more skeptical, and in turn, less cautious, thereby accelerating the spread and harming more people.

What good does the statement "No proof exists that this virus even exists" do, particularly to the impressionable and undereducated people who spend hours upon hours on Facebook? Why would an articulate and ostensibly somewhat educated person like yourself feel compelled to share it here?

There is proof that SARS-CoV-2 does it exist, and it looks like this:



Notice the spike protein jutting out from the top. This is what makes it so infections and damaging to the lungs.

My apologies if I come off as a bit aggressive but after what I saw it is hard to remain civil.

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Well, no-one knows exactly what does exist. There's been no isolation of the virus, it hasn't been replicated and it's not available for analysis. I'm very skeptical of what does exist. I'm not defining it in a way that creates an imagined threat, like many people are. They are simply using their imagination to perceive something which requires objective, empirical and rational understanding. Much of that is lacking in the mainstream and in the main 'streets' of general discourse. I believe the threat has been massively over-exaggerated and what has taken hold is collective hysteria and something akin to shared delusions. The reality is the survival rate is 99.97% and this is confirmed by the CDC. It has already been long since acknowledged that the majority of the population will not die nor be severely affected. This is proven in the states. Right now the amount of active cases in the entire world in critical care is 0.5%. That's some 20 million plus active cases and 0.5% of those are critical. That's around 100,000 by the way. Not in the US, the UK, Europe. In the world.

Out of over 61 million closed cases, 3% of those died. That's almost 1,845,000 people. We have to also establish rationally how unreliable and flawed the tests are to define and diagnose COVID-19, openly admitted by the media and rightfully heavily criticized. So we have to bare in mind out of those deaths, how many concretely and without a shadow of a doubt died because (not with) COVID-19? How can we establish the difference? Alas, we can't. Here in the UK people are dying from car accidents and their death certificates say they died from COVID-19. People are dying from natural causes and the death certificate says COVID-19.
And this is also baring in mind the fact that almost 8 billion people live in the world and over 60,000,000 have recovered. What about the rest? If this virus has already span the entire world, which we have to assume it has, why isn't affecting everybody else? We fall back on the survival rate for that answer, 99.97%.

Showing graphics is no different to what other people are showing with superimposed text. What is the difference between your graphic and the one with superimposed text? Nobody can concretely prove what we are dealing with warrants the complete shutdown of the world and the reversal of several centuries of progress, And the person who says no-one can prove it exists also cannot concretely prove their point. It's rich that people are condemning one side while hailing the other while both are clueless in the grand scheme of things. What we do know is what we have available to us, namely information. The information does state a completely different picture to what is being painted, and that's before we get into the proven links to agendas happening behind the scenes. I say behind the scenes, much of it is actually out in the open. The shifts towards a new paradigm are evidently clear. The requirement to live with consequences of a so-called existential threat to humanity (despite it being one of the lowest ranked threats in recorded history) even after it's gone (your government will keep telling you the changes that have been made are here to stay) and to completely change your life doesn't take much in terms of reflecting on to see the huge discrepency between proprionate response and completely destroying the fabric of social reality for everyone around the world. The latter is the reality we are living with. The latter is ushering in a completely different way of life that nobody asked for, voted for, consented to.

And when you look at history, you can point to several significant events going back a fairly long way whereby a catastrophic event became the conduit for radical transformation in society, something that was authorized at the top of the chain while all those below simply had to follow suit. It's one of the best ways of forcing change on the masses while they are dealing with the event. It makes you wonder whether these catastophic events are connected to those who then radically alter your reality. Remember, we went to war in Afghanistan because there was a monumental event that occured. The war in Afghanistan was a long time in the pipeline before the terror attacks on 9/11. The US government had actually worked with Osama Bin Laden in order to prevent Russia from taking over before they double-crossed him. They paid him huge amounts of money, weaponry, ammunition, pretty much anything he wanted. And then they made him enemy number one, despite him being one of their closest allies in the middle east. The entire picture painted of the war on terror was a sham.

But, hey, life changed forever when we chose to go to war in the middle east. What came of it? Nothing. The WAPO released a several part report on the failings of the war in Afghanistan, complete with sources from within the US military and intelligence apparatus who admitted essentially the entire thing was a farce.

Life changed forever in 2020, with another narrative that is incredibly similiar to the war narratives we have all been used to. Another enemy, another sacrifice to our freedoms in order to beat them. All the while, when you actually dig deep, there isn't a war at all. The war though is being constantly played out in the collective consciousness because for a long time now people have been conditioned to do so. That I disagree with. That I think is completely unacceptable. But if we post pictures, that changes everything, right? That proves 100% the destruction ongoing around the world is justified? Nothing justifies this.

Again, I'm objective. Despite nothing being concretely proven, whatever exists is not what everyone is making it out to be. If it was, we'd be looking at 1918/19 all over again. More people died within one month in the US alone than what the US now has in total deaths for 9 months. The way a virus works implies it will not significantly get worse each and every wave. But this truth has been reversed so that every wave thereafter is worse than the one before, despite this going contrary to everything we know about how viruses work. And so, there will never be a pandemic like the real ones in the past. So that means it's not a pandemic. The WHO demoted the status of COVID-19 to an epidemic only a month or so after releasing their first emergency briefing. Here in the UK it was downgraded to epidemic shortly afterwards. The narrative and what is truth is completely different. This is why I'm objective. And why I welcome people challenging what is going on. The truth is being played out right in front of you. The narrative though? That's playing out like Hollywood movie and when you have much of the population putting reality down to Hollywood, you have a big issue on your hands.

Also just remember when the War of the Worlds was first released and played to people, people actually started ringing in believing there was an alien invasion. These social contagions are well documented by anthropologists, sociologists and in the field of psychology extensively. With sufficient exposure to a particular environment, people in their droves will begin to act, think and feel in certain ways, despite things being much different in reality. Look at the laughing contagions in the Medieval era. Look at the witch trials. It doesn't take much for people to change the script and start living in a fantasy miles apart from reality. What makes you think it's any different now? The answer is; it's not different at all. People are taking leaving of their senses/faculties and delving deep into this like it was a fantasy novel come true. The only difference is, it's not a fantasy novel and in their devolving from reality, the consequences are the radical transformation of reality for you, me and everyone else continues. While everyone is high and too involved to come down, huge changes are taking place on every level.

That has more to do with stopping the spread.
 
With respect I think you have underestimated how far gone a lot of these people are.

There's a lot of accounts of these kinds of people still refusing to believe it all the way until the virus kills them.

There are occasionally people with the strength to eventually realize how wrong they were. But most of the time, I can only assume the psychological difficult of accepting how much of a fool you've been is too great. And the human mind has a limitless ability to believe what it wants to believe.

You were right to start with. There's no point getting involved. There's no point even talking to these kinds of people. It's like arguing with religious fanatics. It's completely pointless 99.9% of the time and life is too short to keep fighting in hopes of reaching that 0.01%.

Well you warned me in advance and I didn't listen. Had to experience it for myself I suppose 🤔
 
if we did not have hospitals at least 30% of people would be dead. We are lucky to have ventilators and cutting edge medical science keeping people alive. Over 36% of people who got SARS have permeant life long disabilities from it and this is looking more and more true for covid-19.

Thank fuck people are acutally smart in this country and we eliminated covid-19. Any country that has out of control of covid needs to take a good look at its education system and maybe all the inbreeding is out of control in places like america and europe.
 
The reality is the survival rate is 99.97% and this is confirmed by the CDC.

"The reality is" the CDC doesn't publish survival rates. Do you have a citation for this beyond facebook?

While I believe the CDC does calculate a IFR (infection fatality ratio), that operates within the confines of a scenario analysis. They don't publish "survival rates".

You may consider doing some critical thinking based on data rather than regurgitate the hyperbole you've come across on facebook and twitter.
 
if we did not have hospitals at least 30% of people would be dead. We are lucky to have ventilators and cutting edge medical science keeping people alive. Over 36% of people who got SARS have permeant life long disabilities from it and this is looking more and more true for covid-19.

Thank fuck people are acutally smart in this country and we eliminated covid-19. Any country that has out of control of covid needs to take a good look at its education system and maybe all the inbreeding is out of control in places like america and europe.


Covid is merely stalled for now in NZ in some areas.

Its that contagious its in Antarctica so its not going to go away.

Vaccines are best for the elderly and immunocompromised.

Some population demographics will be hit hard yet have recovered before and will again .

Pandemics tend to circle the globe off and on for years until the vulnerable have been taken out and the rest of the population get sick, attain immunity naturally or otherwise and it fades away.

There have been pandemics before and there will be again, its inevitable.

Humans have to realise population control applies to them like it does any other species except being at the top of the food chain we will end up controlling it through our own actions rather than another species picking us off for their food. This virus jumped to humans because of humans, we did this to ourselves. Its just nature.
 
There is proof that SARS-CoV-2 does it exist, and it looks like this:



Notice the spike protein jutting out from the top. This is what makes it so infectious.

My apologies if I come off as a bit aggressive but after what I saw it is hard to remain civil.
That entire image you posted is a small part of one spike protein of SARS-CoV-2

The image is a representation of just the extracellular portion of one single spike protein. Each coronavirus has on average 70 or so
 
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The one thing I find strange about this whole pandemic is that it's all suddenly gone quiet about its origin.

First we were told that it came from the wet markets of Wuhan, then that it may have escaped from a laboratory nearby, then nothing.

The Chinese have unleashed a deadly virus upon the world and we've all just accepted it. Why is the rest of the world not holding them to account for it?

It seems that it's all been brushed under the carpet and no one is asking questions - at least not in public.

Perhaps there are loads of investigations going on that we dont know about, but it just seems a little weird to me...

Correction. First we were told it came from the wet markets.

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That's it. There has never been any other suggestion that's been taken seriously by the scientific community or world leaders (which for the record trump is not ;))

The scientific community has had a general consensus of a natural origin since pretty early on.

That said, natural origin (which is to say not man made) does not mean completely isolated from the influence of man. China's wet markets are ideal environments for viruses to jump to humans and this has been known for some time and China hasn't stopped it.

In the other hand another pandemic like this was inevitable and it's not like most other countries have been especially responsible about taking such a threat seriously either.

So there is probably nothing to be gained from trying to point the finger at China. Even if we realistically could do that which poses its own set of problems. Which seems like a good time to say that if you just want an excuse to hate on China, there's lots of other ones with a lot more basis to them. ;)

Which is not to say I'd oppose an investigation if only to confirm what we've long suspected. But China wouldn't cooperate and the evidence to establish anything of note may no longer exist.
 
"The reality is" the CDC doesn't publish survival rates. Do you have a citation for this beyond facebook?

While I believe the CDC does calculate a IFR (infection fatality ratio), that operates within the confines of a scenario analysis. They don't publish "survival rates".

You may consider doing some critical thinking based on data rather than regurgitate the hyperbole you've come across on facebook and twitter.

1 - IFR is survival rate of the infection, by definition.

There are 2 meta categories of outcome improtant to IFR , DEAD, NOT DEAD it is binary and exclusive.

IFR is an estimate because neither the CDC nor anyone else knows how many people got infected (denominator) to yield the number of deaths (numerator).
The CDC nor anyone else accurately knows how many of those infected died as a result of coronavirus rather than co-morbidites so they don't know the numerator accurately either.
 
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That entire image you posted is a small part of one spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 alone nothing else.

To use Alasdairs elephant analogy you have posted a image representing the end of the elephants tail as proof of elephants.

If you want to educate yourself, the image is a representation of just the extracellular portion of one single spike protein. Each coronavirus has on average 70 or so.

Negrogesic perhaps stick to your area of expertise, whatever that is....

Yes it is the spike protein (I clearly alluded to that); it was the prettiest image I could find (which I didnt realize required further explanation but apparently you require it). My point was to demonstrate a certain understanding.

What is your larger point?
 
if we did not have hospitals at least 30% of people would be dead. We are lucky to have ventilators and cutting edge medical science keeping people alive. Over 36% of people who got SARS have permeant life long disabilities from it and this is looking more and more true for covid-19.

Thank fuck people are acutally smart in this country and we eliminated covid-19. Any country that has out of control of covid needs to take a good look at its education system and maybe all the inbreeding is out of control in places like america and europe.
haha are you joking?

NZ population 5 million is likely to have much higher imbreeding and lack of genetic diversity than USA pop 300 million. NZ roughly equal to Appalachia
 
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Want the whole reference genome of the virus? It's freely available.
The spike protien looks cooler than the virus though, but there are indeed electron micrograph images of the virus available. (false color)
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Vaccines are best for the elderly and immunocompromised. [...]
There have been pandemics before and there will be again, its inevitable.

Excuse me? So we should just suffer with the disease then? I would much rather do everything I can to prevent experiencing such things (measles, mumps, rubella, polio, hepatitis B, meningitis, etc).
I contracted chickenpox before the widespread roll out of varicella vaccinations, so not only did I have two very itchy weeks when I was a youngin', now I have a chance that the virus may reactivate like a ticking time bomb - aka shingles. If I could have been vaccinated I would have jumped at the chance. I've actually never had a negative vaccine response and I don't know anyone who has, either.

Same for the flu: I would much rather get a flu shot than suffer the flu. I really don't want to get COVID because I don't have full use of my chest muscles... sure I might survive, but it'd be a long, hard road.
 
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Yes it is the spike protein (I clearly alluded to that); it was the prettiest image I could find (which I didnt realize required further explanation but apparently you require it). My point was to demonstrate a certain understanding.

What is your larger point?
you called the green thing on the top as spike which clearly showed you thought the whole image was something other than spike

Notice the spike protein jutting out from the top. This is what makes it so infectious.
 
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Want the whole reference genome of the virus? It's freely available.
to be clear I am not arguing from the position the virus does not exist. I have some inactivated tagged with colloidal gold.

I am just calling out people posting pseudo scientific garbage. You know who you are

Sekio of course it is false color, its not purple...everyone knows it is red and the new version yellow and green.
 
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to be clear I am not arguing from the position the virus does not exist. I have some inactivated tagged with colloidal gold.

I am just calling out people posting pseudo scientific garbage. You know who you are

What bearing does a conflation of a spike protein and the virus as a whole (willful or otherwise) have on the point at hand?

The point at hand is someone was propagating material suggesting there is "no evidence" that the virus exists.

No pretty image was readily found so the spike worked fine. Should i have said "notice the spike of the spike jutting out"?

Again what is your larger point?
 
What bearing does a conflation of a spike protein and the virus as a whole (willful or otherwise) have on the point at hand?
Because it demonstrates your grasp of the subject.
The point at hand is someone was propagating material suggesting there is "no evidence" that the virus exists.

No pretty image was readily found so the spike worked fine.

Again what is your larger point?
perhaps it is that people spout pseudo-scientific gibberish or butcher the science in order to give credence to what are dogmatic positions.

Masks work, masks don't work, lockdown work, lockdown doesn't work. Remdesivir works remdesivir doeasn't work. PCR is accurate PCR is innaccurate.

explain again why your Covid tourism wasn't deeply reckless irresponsible and immoral especially if you believe the virus is as dangerous as you claim and that wearing masks carrying a lucky rabbits foot or whatever is going to make the slighttest bit of difference in the long run. most of these control measures have no effect on the virus, but the thing being controlled long since ceased to be the virus and this whole circus became something else entirely.

Remember the virus doesn't care.

If you did that in any of the institutions I am associated with, your doctor friend would be in front of a disciplinary panel for willful breach of infection control measures.

What the point of you is?
 
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Masks work, masks don't work, lockdown work, lockdown doesn't work. Remdesivir works remdesivir soeasn't work. PCR is accurate PCR is innaccurate.

the only people I see who are claiming masks don't do anything and lockdowns are a waste of time (at this stage) are also COVID-denialists
you don't have to have a very big brain to realize that masks reduce the amount of droplets produced when you speak/cough/etc, and also reduce your exposure to the same droplets from others
they are not magical shields but it is a cheap piece of PPE that could make a difference

remdesivir is a good example of why the FDA technically considers commercial distribution of a drug to be "stage IV trials", initial data suggested it may have an effect, further studies suggested maybe not
at least it was proven to not be super harmful, given the desperation the world had for any sort of tool to give an advantage over COVID. (also hydroxychloroquine had similar happen)

just because the authorities have reversed their positions (initially they thought masks and isolation were not strictly necessary, probably working under the assumption that the us pandemic response team was not hamstrung) doesn't mean they are not authorities still. the mark of a good scientist is publishing retractions or updates when new data may change your results.
 
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