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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Good morning.

For some reason this the first thread I looked at this morning (I never look here and have never posted on here), saw the above, and had an immediate and horrible sense of deja vu. I'm talking about restrictions over Christmas (not the toiler paper issue). Are we talking lockdowns here or what?

Sorry to ask. Seems like I've been so busy with election issues everything else has slipped through the cracks.

And no: I won't be politicizing this at all. Not here anyway (if at all). I feel for you all. And I think our time is coming again too (in Winter next year) i.e. we just had our starter for ten this year I think.

This FUCKING virus (and this world)!
 
he elites aren't following their own rules that they're demanding of the public. They keep getting caught out. That should tell us a lot - if we're aware. Otherwise we just accept the fact that we are peasants and the elites operate under different rules than we do.
Hello (I think it safe to say "hello my fellow Republican")! :ROFLMAO:

Not that I want to get involved with this COVID thing. For better or for worse: I'm "one of those" that couldn't care less either way i.e. if I get it I get it and if it kills me well then so be it. But then again: I've nothing to lose either way and for sure nobody's going to shed a tear either way either i.e. no family or dependents. My girlfriend MAY shed a tear or two but she'll be fine in a day I'm sure! 😇 Anyway: hence my cavalier attitude toward it all to be fair.

The above being said (and for everyone else anyway): I'm of the opinion really that in spite of any so-called proof, one way or the other, the wearing of masks and using hand sanitizer and adhering to social distancing rules cannot do any harm and better to err on the side of caution not? Just makes sense to me. It's not YOU that the mask is going to save but rather those around you (apparently). I mean why NOT do all of these things? No matter whether the powers that be say do or don't type of thing. I know this mask wearing thing has become politicized. And frankly I fought against it tooth and nail myself (I absolutely hate the fact that I cannot see the expression on a person's face for example i.e. it's just fucking unnatural and foreign to me). But here (South Africa) it's not an option to NOT wear a mask when out of your house and in public or at work. Shopping malls and retailers here will not even allow you on the premises without a mask and without your temperature being scanned and without your hands being doused (sometimes TOO liberally) in hand sanitizer. And oddly enough: when we had hard lockdowns here initially and when this all started these measures were VEHEMENTLY enforced (many a politician was caught out and rapped SERIOUSLY on the knuckles i.e. for once there was no playing around where that was concerned).

So (and I suppose I have both my girlfriend and the law to thank): I just deal with it now and it just does make sense to me. For damn sure in my life I've had people (pieces of uncouth lowlife inconsiderate shit) coughing and sneezing in queues without a care in the world and I know on occasion that's resulted in my getting flu or bronchitis on occasion (this before COVID). ANECDOTALLY though: we came out of Winter not too long ago and it certainly appears to me that this strict enforcement of these rules has resulted in WAY fewer people getting the flu this season. I'm convinced myself that if nothing else this mask wearing business has something to do with this.

Don't get me wrong though. In spite of what the statistics may say: we're no poster child either. I don't believe for one minute that our statistics are correct and that's simply because of lack of testing and contact tracing and the like. I reckon our figures are way higher. This especially given the fact that when our majority decide to have a march or protest and gather in their thousands: no masks and it's a free for all (and that happens here pretty often hence my saying that no way our figures are accurate). Them aside: I, like a few around here, don't know of anyone personally that's had COVID. I'm guessing that's because the CIVILIZED portion of our population are adhering to these rules and regulations.

Anyway. That's about the extent of my COVID contribution and input.

Very personal opinion though (and I know one that does not endear me to most) is that it's not the equalizer that I thought it would be. There's too many of us on the planet as it is. And I cannot help but wonder just how much more shit we'd be in globally were there no Spanish Flu deaths for example. But then again: I'd probably feel differently if I had something to lose so I'll admit that. Or would I? Not really sure.
 
What happens if you don’t wear a mask? Do you get a fine or something?
Well during the hard lockdown that was the case. People did get fines. And some government ministers here got pay suspended for a month and humiliated on national TV and the rest. They've eased off a bit here in the sense that the army and the police have backed off a bit. But you cannot get into anywhere (as I say: shopping malls and even individual shops or retailers) without a mask, temperature scanned, and being doused in hand sanitizer. Our malls all have security everywhere (not because of COVID i.e. just a function of what goes on here during the normal course of life and business) and there's no way you'd be able to walk into any public shopping mall and defy the rules and make a "civil rights" stand as you would for sure be escorted away to somewhere (I'm guessing that now it'd probably just end up with your being escorted off of the premises outside to the parking lot or something).
 

Weird, it's almost as if lockdown has no relation to fatalities.
A seasonal flu-like virus is gonna do what all other seasonal flu-like viruses do. The only anomaly here is the hysterical government response.

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Danish study on masks (one of many leading to same conclusions):
"In the study, which was carried out in April and May when Danish authorities did not recommend wearing face masks, 6,024 adults were divided into two groups, one wearing face masks and one control group.
After one month, 1.8% of the people wearing masks had been infected, while 2.1% of the people in the control group had tested positive, Copenhagen University Hospital said in a press release."
https://www.reuters.com/.../us-health-coronavirus...
NY Times reporting on it? So balanced.

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No mask mandates, no lockdowns

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When given the opportunity to refute an accusation by giving an answer to a simple question, it's usually because the accusation is true.
Of course, financial gain among politicians can have nothing to do with this covid farce.
"‘The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, has refused to disclose whether he will profit from a surge in the share price of the Covid-19 vaccine manufacturer Moderna, one of the biggest investments held by the hedge fund he co-founded before entering parliament."


Average age among covid deaths is, in most countries, at or above average life expectancy, i.e. low 80s.
So I wonder why so many people think it's 65...
Any guesses? I think the answer might start with L and ends with IES.
 
Who will swallow the Corona virus debt? The rich or the poor?

Poverty is a condition imposed by governments through the tax system.

The world will have to pay dearly, not only now, but in the near future, for the hardships cause by this pandemic and the various other upcoming health crisis.

We are already handing our children a dying planet. Will we saddle them with more poverty as well?

Poverty is created by the tax system. Gandhi also said that to impose poverty was a crime.

The tax system is controlled by the rich. Demographically speaking, this fact is proven by their outrageous demographic position and control of the legislation.

Will the rich swallow the huge debt that will soon hit us, or will they place the debt as more poverty for our next extinction bound generation?

The next tax laws, everywhere, will show if more poor die, or if the rich will give up their loose change, which is all that it takes, to end poverty.

Regards
DL
 
If you are a country, debt really doesn't mean a lot. It might affect the interest rate or something. After 2008 I realized we are in an artificially supported economy. Keynesian economics. Cash and currency is really quite meaningless at the State level.
Taxes help people in poverty. And I don't think the ultra rich, say Jeff Bezos, needs to pay more in taxes, what is that going to do? Bezos like Trump probably only pays $400 in tax.

I think we need to tax more across the board, across all classes, look at Alberta. It doesn't even have a provincial sales tax. And they can't even afford to pay for hospital food. But you can't tax people and provide nothing in return. We need accountability.
 
People have this habit of treating state budgets like they were a household budget not realizing how different they are.

For one, an enormous amount of the states debt is actually owed back to itself. A little like borrowing against future taxation.

Not to mention unlike people states don't have an upper lifespan. Or that all the money the state owes is actually owed in the states currency. Meaning it's impossible to be forced into bankruptcy as its only option.
 
JGrimez said:
No mask mandates, no lockdowns

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Assuming that the same rate continues till the end of the year, there will be 91,270 deaths in Sweden in 2020... This is 2,500 more deaths than 2019.

They've already had 6,400 deaths from the China virus. So (excluding COVID) that means there would be nearly 4,000 less deaths than 2019 overall. In 2019 there were nearly 3,500 less deaths than 2018 so this level of fluctuation is not abnormal... But there are other factors to take into consideration.

Influenza is a big factor. The 2018 flu season in Sweden was much worse than 2019 and 2019 was much worse than 2020. Because of social distancing and mask wearing in Sweden (and many other countries) there has been a very mild flu season in 2020.

In NZ the flu is typically responsible for about 2% of annual deaths. In 2020, the NZ flu infection rate dropped by 99.8%.

RNZ said:
According to Baker, there were usually 1600 more deaths in winter, compared to other seasons, and around a third of those were caused by influenza, mostly in older people with long-term health conditions.

"What the Covid-19 response has done has largely eliminated those excess winter deaths and mortality as a whole is down around 5 percent," he said. "So that means an extra 1500 people will survive this year who wouldn't have."

 
If you are a country, debt really doesn't mean a lot. It might affect the interest rate or something. After 2008 I realized we are in an artificially supported economy. Keynesian economics. Cash and currency is really quite meaningless at the State level.
Taxes help people in poverty. And I don't think the ultra rich, say Jeff Bezos, needs to pay more in taxes, what is that going to do? Bezos like Trump probably only pays $400 in tax.

I think we need to tax more across the board, across all classes, look at Alberta. It doesn't even have a provincial sales tax. And they can't even afford to pay for hospital food. But you can't tax people and provide nothing in return. We need accountability.

Good luck getting that when your military can lose, what was it, 30 billon $, without accountability?

Gotta hide those secret projects, or pay offs, somehow. Follow the money that went to 700$ toilet seats, and find the politician who approved it to know who the thief is.

Regards
DL
 
For one, an enormous amount of the states debt is actually owed back to itself. A little like borrowing against future taxation.

Yep.

Pass our debt to our children and spend their wealth without asking.

Nice parenting. Not.

Regards
DL
 
I think we need to tax more across the board, across all classes, look at Alberta.

Even while the rich and the poor divide grows? Seriously?

Shorten your list to the rich. They are the only ones with the loose change that can end poverty.

If Alberta would have taxed as they should have in the boon times, they would not suffer so much in the bust times.

Regards
DL
 
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