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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Considered putting this in the 'Media Bias' thread, but it's relevant to this one.

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I know it fits so nicely into the narrative, but every site I've been to with statistics on covid 19 has the option to filter by total cases, deaths, and by population. Take a screenshot of both and BOOM there you have it.

edit: also, it's very easy to tell that the percentages from the image on the right have been added or doctored in some way. The text is bigger, bolder, doesn't line up exactly right, etc.

edit2: animated by "Worldwide Engineeirng" . Sounds like a trustworthy source.
 
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"You are safer outside than inside." Disease expert criticises restrictions


If a government were to openly advocate the removal of civil liberties simply because they 'felt like it' or for some half-baked reason, the vast majority of people would push back against such a move.

For that reason, it is highly unlikely that any government (at least the Western democratic ones) would pursue such a goal openly. They would, instead, pursue it through deceptive means.

As a result, the only way to recognize such a deceptive move would be by observing that your civil liberties are being removed and assuming that there is, at the very least, a chance that they are being removed for motives other than those officially stated.

It is, therefore, essential, that as many people as possible QUESTION the rationale for the removal of civil liberties (regardless of how convincing it seems), and in that way push back against the the ever-present potential for the corrupting nature of power to cause governments to slide towards totalitarianism.


Report from a funeral parlor worker in Eastern France:

Again, the images of "bodies piling up" and refrigerated trucks being used to store bodies is PART OF THE HYSTERIA.

"Working in a funeral business, I should provide certain details on the requisition of Rungis (the largest food market in the world in the southern Paris suburbs) for the storage of bodies, and the overflowing funeral parlors.

Municipalities in the Val d'Oise area of France have requisitioned skating rinks to store coffins: The shipping of bodies abroad is no longer authorized, because local authorities no longer issue certificates of non-epidemic.

The bodies that should be shipped abroad are therefore blocked on French territory. This is what really clogs the morgues because these bodies represent a significant flow, especially in Eastern France.

The mess in the undertakers comes from government directives which are insane and which change every two days.

Funeral directors are not medical personnel and do not have priority with regard to the distribution of gloves, masks ... However, they are in contact with deceased, the police, government administrators, family coming from everywhere ...

Funeral parlor porters on contracts that are often flexible and precarious no longer want to turn up for work, ‌counselors are trying to manage the distress felt by families whose time of remembrance and prayer has been greatly reduced, whether their loved one had the virus or not.

Embalmers are forbidden to clean and care for corpses, nothing is stipulated on the withdrawal of pace makers, most now refuse to remove them. However it is essential to do so, especially for cremation to avoid the pace makers from exploding in the furnace.

The crematorium and memorial park in Val d'Oise is no more busy than usual (rather less because of the pace maker problem, in ground burial is favored although the national directive is to favor cremations.)

Those who have died from covid 19 are seen more than those who have not because immediate embalming is ordered pending funeral, so instead of staying in the fridges as normal (because they could give the virus to another dead body) the bodies remain in the coffin, at room temperature, in the best case scenario that means slightly cool.

2003 (when tens of thousands of people died from the heat wave that summer) remains the reference in terms of overflowing funeral parlors, and we are far from that level. It is the measures taken by this government that generate chaos and insanity.

Whoever came up with the idea of storing the deceased in a food market... it's appalling, especially when there is no need."


More confirmation about the "ice rinks and bodied piling up".

It's easy to create a farce with dead bodies when everyone is hystericized.

"By now, everyone has seen the stories about the "refrigerated morgue trucks" and "ice rink morgues in Madrid." If you dig down into some of those stories, you will discover a rather mundane, but perfectly understandable explanation for these improvised morgues, namely ... bodies that would normally have been picked up by funeral parlors are not being picked up (because many funeral parlors are not operating normally due to the lockdown, or because it is difficult for grieving families to make arrangements given the current level of hysteria), and so these bodies are accumulating at hospitals.

Normally, when someone dies at the hospital, the body is taken to the hospital morgue, and it sits there until the family contacts the funeral parlor and makes arrangements to have it picked up. Typically, this happens fairly quickly, as anyone who has had to make such arrangements will confirm. Hospital morgues have been designed for this routine turnaround. Thus, their storage capacity is limited. When you're manufacturing mass hysteria, you'll want to bury these facts deep in your story, so that most readers will miss them.

For example, here are a couple of quotes, buried deep in the stories about the death trucks and ice rink morgues.

"The Madrid municipal funeral service, a major provider in the city, announced in a statement on Monday it would stop collecting the bodies of Covid-19 victims, because its workers don't have sufficient protective material. The service manages 14 cemeteries, two funeral parlors and two crematoriums in Madrid. The funeral service said that cremations, burials and other services for coronavirus victims would continue as normal, but only if the bodies are 'sent by other funeral services businesses in a closed coffin.'" -- CNN

"We started putting bodies in the morgue truck last week. And it’s been used a lot. A lot. I think there’s around 40 bodies in there now. The funeral homes are having trouble keeping up a bit. So it’s not like ten people died and people go off to the funeral home." -- NEW YORK MAGAZINE

And so ends today's lesson. Please remember (if you're an aspiring MSM journalist) to bury such details deep in your sensationalistic stories about ICE RINK MORGUES and DEATH TRUCKS! That way, you can claim to be adhering to journalistic standards, while knowing that most readers will miss these details, or won't even see them at all, because they will have rushed off to share your story about the MOUNTAINS OF BODIES PILING UP IN THE STREETS!"
 
Where I live in England.. My city has gone from barely 60 infections and like 5 deaths 3 days ago to over 600 infections and 50 deaths today wow...
 
would it be fair to call your boss and tell them that you don't feel safe going into work?

Who cares what’s fair. Just don’t go. Now you can qualify for UI. On top of your weekly benefit, you’ll get an additional $600 a week until the middle of summer. Check out the DOL. All the cool kids are doing it.
 
Yeah it's true, I have no doubt the media is in a frenzy with fear porn, using our higher number to terrify people into clicking their links. It's simply a fact that what we need to be looking at is per-capita numbers, not overall numbers, because our population is vastly higher than the populations of almost every other country. Because of this I allow the possibility that our government is trying to inspire this fear for nefarious purposes, though I think it does 100% add up because I seriously doubt our government wants our economy to grind to a halt. I think it's more likely that the media is happily churning out this fear porn because it's profitable for them to do so, and the government is scrambling to figure out how to minimize the damage, while doing the responsible thing and trying to minimize loss of human life in a pandemic.

I do accept it's possible the government is testing out martial law or some other scheme to impose control, however if so, they're doing a terrible job at it... around where I live, businesses are ignoring the "essential business" order, there is just as much traffic as usual (according to my buddy who works in food service and commutes to work), and the police released a memo saying they do not intend on enforcing any rules but just hope people will follow them. It seems that some localities are being more draconian about it, but if the federal government intended on any of the more nefarious goals that are being suggested, they would not allow localities to decide for themselves, they would be enforcing it across the board.
In Ireland there is the guards everywhere! They are stopping at the border too and stopping all unessential travel. Beaches are closed down and they are enforcing social isolation well. I’ve definitely thought this is a martial law exercise more than once.
 
Considered putting this in the 'Media Bias' thread, but it's relevant to this one.

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I often find US news to be strangely myopic like that. The UK had about 1,000 hospital deaths yesterday. The equivalent in the US would be around 6,000.

But it fits the broader cultural pattern as lots of folks in the US (including Trump) often talk about the country as super special #1 in this and that without recognising the fact it's often just because it's a huge country with the third highest population and would actually be, like, #39 and pretty mediocre on a per capita basis.
 
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Rest as soon as you notice any symptoms.


What to do if you contract coronavirus

by Emine Saner @eminesaner | The Guardian | 8 April 2020

There is a lot of confusion about how to protect yourself from illness – and what to do if you contract coronavirus. Here is the expert advice.

You will already be regularly washing your hands and social distancing, but many of us are still likely to become infected with coronavirus. Doing what you can now to improve your health and boost your immune system will help your body cope. Thankfully, the majority of cases are mild and you should recover within a week, though if your symptoms are persistent it is vital to seek medical advice from NHS 111 rather than try to continue to manage at home. With that in mind, here’s what you can do to put yourself in the best position to help your recovery.

Protect your lungs

Tom Wingfield, a physician and clinical lecturer in infectious diseases at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine, says you should avoid anything that damages your lungs – stop smoking, and don’t expose others to secondhand smoke. “Open fires are not great, and if you have allergies that irritate your lungs, avoid what you can.” One upside of the lockdown is that air pollution has decreased. "And," says Wingfield, “general aerobic exercise will help your lungs.”

Boost your immune system

There is no magic supplement. The advice is as it’s always been: reduce your alcohol consumption, exercise, sleep well and reduce stress. A varied, balanced diet, with lots of vegetables and fruit, is important, but there is little evidence for most vitamin and mineral supplements.

"Getting out in the sun each day can also be beneficial," says the GP Amir Khan. “The majority of people have low vitamin D because we don’t have enough sunlight in the UK, and we are coming out of winter. Vitamin D levels will be depleted, so there’s no harm in taking a vitamin D tablet.”

Rest as soon as you start to notice symptoms

Many people who are suspected of having had the virus report at least one day of fatigue. Now is not the time to try to tough things out. “Your body is using all its energy to fight a virus that is infecting cell after cell,” says Khan. “Even with mild symptoms, you’ll have some days when you feel fine and other days when you are tired and achey. You can potter around the house and make food if you need to, but you shouldn’t be doing any more than that and, where possible, you should be on the sofa or in bed.”

"Once you develop a fever,"
he says, “your body is starting to use energy to raise your core body temperature to make it an unfavourable environment for the virus to reproduce. You shouldn’t wait until you feel tired [to rest], because by then you’ve expended too much energy already.”

Keep drinking fluids

Khan says: “Everybody should be sticking to two to three litres of fluid a day” – as normal. "When you have a fever," says Saira Ghafur, an honorary respiratory consultant at St Mary’s hospital in London, “you can become dehydrated, so you need to make sure that even if you don’t feel like it, you’re drinking as much as possible. If you feel you’re not peeing very much, that’s another sign you’re very dehydrated and should seek medical advice.”

How to manage a fever

Take paracetamol, rather than ibuprofen. There has been concern that ibuprofen, an anti-inflammatory, could reduce immune function and make coronavirus symptoms worse, but there is not enough evidence to confirm this. Still, the advice is to take paracetamol for fever and muscle pain instead. “If you have been prescribed ibuprofen then discuss that with your medical practitioner,” says Wingfield.

Definitely don’t rely on supplements or ‘miracle’ cures

Khan has seen advice online about taking vitamin C to treat coronavirus – but that doesn’t mean you should be trying this at home. “It has been used intravenously in very, very high doses in hospitals in China. That’s a big difference to what you get in a tablet. The jury is still very much out in terms of using intravenous vitamin C for coronavirus.”

"Taking a vitamin C tablet from the chemist or supermarket won’t stop you getting an infection and it won’t help treat the infection,”
says Khan. "And certainly don’t try to take very high doses."

Don’t pin your hopes on “superfoods” or the social media posts about “alkaline” foods (a virus doesn’t have a pH level, and you can’t change the body’s pH level through diet). What about garlic? “It may help reduce the length of things like a cold, but won’t prevent it,” says Khan. "And there’s no evidence it has any effect on coronavirus."

Can breathing exercises help?

It’s far from clear. On Monday, the author JK Rowling shared a video of Sarfaraz Munshi, the head of urgent care at Queen’s hospital in Romford, London, demonstrating breathing techniques that he said could relieve symptoms and prevent someone developing a secondary pneumonia infection. "People with asthma and those recovering from pneumonia are often helped by respiratory physiotherapists," says Wingfield, “who can help support your breathing with exercises. The main thing you are trying to do is make patients’ lungs open as much as they can and try and get rid of some of the fluid and inflammatory material.”

"Coronavirus,"
says Khan, “causes inflammation around the alveoli, the air sacs at the peripheries of the lungs, and it can damage them. It reduces your lung capacity. If you are safely managing your condition at home [on advice from a doctor or the NHS 111 service], then breathing exercises might help."

“What you’re really doing there is forcing air into the alveoli by taking big breaths in and holding the alveoli open, and that will help clear any excess mucus, pathogens, as well as stop them from becoming hardened, which can happen. This is with the caveat that you are safe to stay at home and you don’t need to be in hospital. If there’s any chance of pneumonia, you should be in hospital.”


However, Laura Breach, a spokeswoman for the Association of Chartered Physiotherapists in Respiratory Care (ACPRC), says "while the exercises should be harmless for healthy individuals, she would not advise them, adding that they could make symptoms worse in someone suffering breathlessness." Although Munshi’s video was well-intentioned, the ACPRC says the techniques are not correct (it is preparing its own video). If you did try the exercise, you only need to take three or four breaths so as not to hyperventilate and become dizzy, and if you have coronavirus symptoms, there is no need to make yourself cough as part of the exercise. “We would always encourage nose-breathing rather than mouth-breathing, because your nose is really important in humidifying the air that you breathe in and catching any particles in the air,” says Breach.

There is no evidence these exercises will help healthy people prepare for the illness, she says. “There are patients with longer-term respiratory conditions and we do teach them techniques to give them a better starting point. If it’s something you should be doing then your healthcare professional will have already advised that.” Instead, the ACPRC says: “Propping yourself up with pillows, or leaning forward onto the back of a chair, can be beneficial to breathlessness."

Wingfield also questions whether the exercises can aid recovery from coronavirus – “it’s a slightly evidence-free zone” – and says if you are having trouble breathing, you should seek medical help rather than simply try to follow breathing exercises at home. “But they can keep your lungs moving, and some people might find these exercises meditative and stress-relieving,” says Wingfield. Ghafur agrees: “None of this is evidence-based.”

But try lying on your front

"One of the big things in intensive care that we’re seeing with a lot of patients," says Ghafur, “is you have to put them on a ventilator in what we call a prone position, which basically means you’re lying on your front. It’s not in any recommended guidance for patients who are not in intensive care, but if you’re able to lie on your front for a while, that can help breathing. There’s no harm in trying it," she says, "but only if you’re generally fit and healthy. Do not try to lie on your front if you are older, infirm, have mobility problems or are pregnant."

Lying continuously on your back is not ideal. “If you can sit and take deep breaths in and out, that will help any respiratory condition – you’re taking in a bigger lungful of air and that will help remove any mucus. However," she adds, "there is no evidence that this will improve your recovery."

 
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TOLD YA!

"During Tuesday’s White House press briefing, coronavirus task force leader Dr. Deborah Birx explained that COVID-19 deaths in the United States have “very liberal” recording guidance, noting that anyone who tests positive for the virus and dies would be included in their numbers of coronavirus deaths."

So if a 90 year old in the last days of metastatic brain cancer tests positive for covid-19, they'll count that as "death by covid-19", and use it to continue to SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU WITH NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY LOCKING YOU IN YOUR HOUSE FOR MONTHS.

If you're not pissed at this point, you may as well be dead.

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“According to data obtained from the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Surveillance System website, total U.S. deaths for the first three weeks of March are DOWN 10% from the average of the prior four years for the same three week period.” (looks like people staying away from doctors is saving lives)

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Like I've been telling you, repeatedly, they are SKEWING the numbers by classifying ANY respiratory illness as "covid-19" WITHOUT TESTING.
Minnesota senator and doctor explains PRECISELY this.

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Irish Prime Minister:
“Our hospitals are actually very quiet.”
“We are quite worried about what we call secondary deaths,” he added – saying there were concerns of an increased risk of people dying from heart attacks and other illnesses as the restrictions continued.
NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
Holohan urges people to seek help if they need it after seeing empty waiting rooms during his hospital admission

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The NY Times Science and Health Reporter given air time on mainstream media to urge totalitarian measures against the population.

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A very interesting man, this Bill Gates.

From 2014:
Police arrested a Seattle man at Bill Gates and Melinda Gates’ mansion for allegedly collecting more than 6,000 child rape photos.
Rick Allen Jones, reportedly employed as an engineer at the Gates’ home, is also accused of trading pornography images via Gmail.
 
I often find US news to be strangely myopic like that.

I don't know which came first, Americans thinking we are the center of the civilized world or our media only telling us things in a way that builds that view.

I had a post years ago in EADD explaining the difference between American views and European views. I wish I'd saved it somewhere. The nut of it was how we are so insulated going back several generations, that we aren't tuned to consider others. We generally view Canada as America Lite, and Mexico is 'over there', and anyone else is an ocean away. Europeans grew up in a world with other languages, cultures, laws, and until recently different currencies. Once could, in certain points, drive for 30min and be in 3-4 different countries in Europe. On the other extreme, an American can drive for 3 days and still be in Alaska...a single state. Anywhere we go, everyone speaks the same language, same laws (mostly), same currency, etc. While Americans takes pride in being a melting pot historically, the truth is we are born and raised 'Americans' more than of other ethnicity, unlike someone from France, Germany, etc with a history of wars against their neighbor going back centuries. The European world forces one to face the fact of differences, that there are 'others'. Americans have historically been shielded from that reality by geography, but it's lessening due to the internet and more international travel (pre-COVID). Our media, however, is ingrained in it's old thinking....and of our citizens, not all are being exposed to what lies beyond the shore.
 
I don't know which came first, Americans thinking we are the center of the civilized world or our media only telling us things in a way that builds that view.

Probably both. If I had to guess, like many elements of American culture of this sort, it may have partially stemmed from internal reactions to the cold war, and the aftermath of ww2 generally

Over time American culture increasingly focused on American exceptionalism. And the media simply reflects and reenforces that view.

However I'd say those days are slowly coming to an end.

Years of mistakes and missed opportunities are leading to the end of an American dominated world. I suspect one day not too long from now, America will be just another country. More like before ww2.

No doubt there will be many people happy to see that happen, but I won't be.
 
death by covid-19", and use it to continue to SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU WITH NUMBERS TO JUSTIFY LOCKING YOU IN YOUR HOUSE FOR MONTHS.

If you're not pissed at this point, you may as well be dead.

First of all, doesn't it usually say "complications from covid-19" , or something like that? I don't think this is a new concept. If you look up how many people die per year from the normal flu I assume it's counted in the same way. If you have an underlying condition, get sick, then soon die...the sickness was technically the cause of death. They were surviving before, then the virus came, and they died.

Also, what do these people have to gain from keeping us in our house? The government is losing money. Businesses are losing money. Maybe I'm not thinking of something but honestly this is not like (for example) going to war based on lies. There is clearly a huge incentive for several industries with something like that.
 
I don't know which came first, Americans thinking we are the center of the civilized world or our media only telling us things in a way that builds that view.

I had a post years ago in EADD explaining the difference between American views and European views. I wish I'd saved it somewhere. The nut of it was how we are so insulated going back several generations, that we aren't tuned to consider others. We generally view Canada as America Lite, and Mexico is 'over there', and anyone else is an ocean away. Europeans grew up in a world with other languages, cultures, laws, and until recently different currencies. Once could, in certain points, drive for 30min and be in 3-4 different countries in Europe. On the other extreme, an American can drive for 3 days and still be in Alaska...a single state. Anywhere we go, everyone speaks the same language, same laws (mostly), same currency, etc. While Americans takes pride in being a melting pot historically, the truth is we are born and raised 'Americans' more than of other ethnicity, unlike someone from France, Germany, etc with a history of wars against their neighbor going back centuries. The European world forces one to face the fact of differences, that there are 'others'. Americans have historically been shielded from that reality by geography, but it's lessening due to the internet and more international travel (pre-COVID). Our media, however, is ingrained in it's old thinking....and of our citizens, not all are being exposed to what lies beyond the shore.

On a positive note for the US, the number of Americans with passports is going up pretty steadily. It's still less than half, but only just. Merely a decade ago it was more like a quarter. Modern Americans seem to be more interested in seeing the world. Certainly a positive development.
 
On a positive note for the US, the number of Americans with passports is going up pretty steadily. It's still less than half, but only just. Merely a decade ago it was more like a quarter. Modern Americans seem to be more interested in seeing the world. Certainly a positive development.


Ehhh, it's positive until it becomes excessive. :)

Australians for instance I would say travel to an excessive degree, and it often seems to be less about experiencing the world, and more treating the world as their personal playground.

No offense to any Australians here. I'm not saying this is universally true. Just that I think it's true to an unfortunately large degree. It's obviously not the case for every Australian traveler. Neither is it exclusively an Australian phenomenon, it's just the form I'm most familiar with.
 
Ehhh, it's positive until it becomes excessive. :)

Australians for instance I would say travel to an excessive degree, and it often seems to be less about experiencing the world, and more treating the world as their personal playground.

No offense to any Australians here. I'm not saying this is universally true. Just that I think it's true to an unfortunately large degree. It's obviously not the case for every Australian traveler. Neither is it exclusively an Australian phenomenon, it's just the form I'm most familiar with.

I've never heard that about Australians. Every Aussie I've met has been very friendly and laid back. Same for Canadians.

In fact I hate to say it but the most rude nationality of travellers I've met is... Americans. I don't think I've ever met a friendly American tourist. Whenever I think I have, they turn out to actually be Canadian. I did have an American neighbour who was perfectly pleasant, so I know not all Yanks are rude, but a lot of the tourists seem to be. That American neighbour acted fake happy constantly though, it was actually exhausting to be around him!

Brits: "alright mate?"

Yanks: "HEEEEY HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY? I'M AMAZING!"

To be entirely fair though British tourists don't have the best reputation either, just ask the Spanish.
 
@JessFR, any idea why Australia is doing so much better than most of Europe, the U.S., and Canada?

I assume you mean mean with coronavirus?

I think there's probably a bunch of reasons.

Australia has historically had pretty strict quarantine regulations and is in a good position as an island nation.
The government acted fairly quickly to deny entry to various countries.

More substantially though, Australia has done a lot of testing, per capita in fact I believe Australia's testing is the highest in the world. Of course the capacity to do that is greater than other countries cause Australia's population is pretty small all things considered.

Australia also has a low population density. People aren't really packed closely together like in some countries.

The governments have acted quickly and fairly aggressively to close things down and impose social distancing. Issuing fines to people violating the rules.

So yeah I think it's a lot of factors, some inherent to the characteristics of the country, but most are a result of policy decisions.

The most significant of which are probably the high levels of testing, and quarentining and isolating infected and exposed individuals. And fairly aggressive social distancing rules. Implemented fairly early.

Additionally the government acted quickly to provide a financial stimulus, and prevent people getting evicted and freezing loan repayments.

Also, Australia has long had a very good public health system. So more people can actually go to a doctor or hospital without fear of significant financial repercussions for a virus they may or may not have.

And finally, Australia's a very wealthy country and in a fairly good financial position to fund this kinda stuff.

Id also say that Australia is not quite as politically divided, certainly not compared to America for instance. And its system of government has allowed such decisions to be taken and enforced without as much trouble as you might have in some other countries, and faster.

So yeah, lots of reasons.
 
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Based on what? I am not sure I understand your question. Germany 's far better than most. We also have fake statistics, fake headlines and yeah. I use the Washington Post, btw.

If you're just gonna call the numbers fake, then any country can be doing however well you like.

Australia has about 6,000 known infections and 50 deaths. Testing has been quite high so those numbers are probably about as accurate as we can reasonably expect them to be.

Adjusting by population size, that's still many times lower than most other countries. Germany has 3 times the population of Australia, 3 times 50 deaths is 150

Their actual deaths currently known is 2, 300

I am certainly not saying that no other country has responded well, or as well. Neither am I saying the numbers are wholey reliable.

But at this point I am reasonably confident that when the dust settles, Australia will come out of this a lot better than most.
 
What's buggin me it's that we all numbers. That's society, so counting wouldn't be a problem but apparently, you know. Germany's well know for their improvments on technology, they were the first people who were advanced. I think they and maybe Australia will come out better, let's say. I don't know, Easter's coming, a lot of people didn't came back to their families so I don't think we gonna see any more infected individuals. I am really curious, I think after this virus, something bad will come. With all these secret Army testing going on. You never know what to expect tomorrow. But I stand by what I've said.
 
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