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Trump tells Americans to take unproven malaria drug to prevent Covid-19

by Jessica Glenza | The Guardian | 5 April 2020

It may never be known how many thousands of deaths, or millions of infections, might have been prevented with a response that was more coherent, urgent and effective.

Donald Trump has directly urged Americans worried about Covid-19 to take a little-studied anti-malaria drug for the disease, despite potentially serious side effects and a lack of data on its safety and efficacy in the treatment of the virus.

At a lengthy, rambling and combative briefing on Saturday afternoon, the president also sought to discredit media reports of his administration’s failures and called some outlets in the White House press corps “fake news”.

"Media reports about shortages of ventilators and personal protective equipment," he claims, "have relied on state governors asking for more supplies than they needed."

According to researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland, by Saturday evening more than 305,000 cases of Covid-19 had been confirmed in the US, resulting in more than 8,000 deaths. New York is by far the state worst hit.

Scientists around the world are looking for potential treatments but so far have not been successful. The drug repeatedly pushed by Trump, hydroxychloroquine, has only shown anecdotal promise.

The drug is used to treat malaria, arthritis and lupus. Reports of its potential have driven up sales and made it difficult for Americans who rely on the drug to fill prescriptions.

“What do you have to lose? What do you have to lose?” Trump said from the White House podium. “Take it.”

He also said he “may take it” himself, though he "would have to ask my doctors about that.”

The president’s own public health advisers, who stood with him in the briefing room on Saturday, have warned against taking hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19.

On 24 March, Dr Anthony Fauci, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease director, answered a reporter’s question about whether the drug was considered a treatment for Covid-19.

“The answer is no,” Fauci said, “and the evidence that you’re talking about … is anecdotal.”

On Saturday the Food and Drug Administration commissioner, Dr Steven Hahn, said physicians could prescribe hydroxychloroquine under emergency use authorization.

“We don’t want to provide false hope but we definitely want to provide hope,” he said.

Trump’s urging came moments after another senior health adviser, Dr Deborah Birx, told Americans the coming weeks would be “the moment to do everything you can to keep your families and friends safe by following federal physical distancing guidelines."

The White House’s own projections show 100,000 Americans could be killed by the virus. On Saturday, Trump said: “There will be a lot of death.”

“It’s therefore critical certain media outlets stop spreading false information,”
he said. “I could name them, but it’s always the same ones.”

Earlier, the New York governor, Andrew Cuomo, announced his state had looked to China for ventilator supplies.

“We’re not yet at the apex,” said Cuomo, who described the crescendo of cases to come as “the number one point of engagement of the enemy.”

Cuomo said he had obtained 1,000 ventilators from the Chinese government with the help of billionaires Joseph and Clara Tsai and the Alibaba founder Jack Ma. Oregon had loaned New York another 140, he said.

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The Trump administration has sought to redefine the national strategic stockpile as a “back up” for states, and avoid coordinating a response to the pandemic. On Saturday, Trump tried to claim credit for the 1,000 ventilators sent to New York by China and said, “two very good friends of mine brought him those ventilators.”

In his morning press conference, Cuomo said New York had 113,704 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and a death toll of 3,565. Most deaths were in New York City, with nearly 1,000 in other parts of the state.

Current projections put the peak of the pandemic in New York between four and 14 days away. Officials hope physical distancing will slow the spread of the disease and forestall the possibility of running out of ventilators and hospital beds.

Cuomo admitted he hoped to see the apex soon, so the experience would soon end. The pandemic, “stresses this country, this state, in a way nothing else has frankly in my lifetime," he said.

Cuomo’s briefing from the New York state capital, Albany, offered another contrast in leadership with the president in Washington. While Cuomo’s briefings convey alarming statistics, his frank descriptions of shortages and personal struggles have been praised.

On Saturday, Cuomo said the state had a signed contract for 17,000 ventilators, a deal he was later told could not be done because many had already been bought by China.

As Cuomo spoke, Trump retweeted articles about hydroxychloroquine, from rightwing sources.

The US federal government’s response to the outbreak has been defined by bungled testing, poor coordination, low stockpiles and planning failures.

Federal failure to intervene in supply chains has led to bidding wars for masks and other personal protective equipment.

The White House has repeatedly claimed it has 10,000 ventilators in the national stockpile. However, states have reported some of those ventilators are unusable, after the administration failed to ensure the stockpile was properly maintained.

Trump has repeatedly caused confusion, often during hours-long press conferences. On Saturday, he also attacked his probable challenger in November, Joe Biden, and the intelligence official he fired on Friday night; insisted the US economy would soon have to “reopen” despite expert predictions of a lengthy shutdown to deal with the virus; and defended Republican governors who have not ordered social distancing measures.

Such states, he said, had “big land, few people and they’re in very good shape.”

Trump’s performance came less than 24 hours after he announced new advice from his own health department, that Americans should wear masks in public, then, even as his wife Melania tweeted out the news, said: “This is voluntary. I don’t think I’m going to be doing it.”

 
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^old news. After the media criticized Trump for promoting the drug they're now finally accepting that it may be a valid treatment.

After mocking Trump for promoting hydroxychloroquine, journalists acknowledge it might treat coronavirus

Efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19: results of a randomized clinical trial - Renmin Hospital, Wuhan

Some good news: WWII veteran recovers from coronavirus just in time for 104th birthday: "I made it"


President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko has insisted that Belarus’s economy continue to operate as normal, even if this means risks to his political popularity, saying he could imagine what would happen to the country after the pandemic is over if it were to shut down.

“What will happen to us? Other countries will survive. Russia has oil and gas which the world including China needs. China is a huge, powerful economy. America has the [dollar] printing press – they’ve thrown in $2 trillion and plan to spend $2 trillion more. My friend [UN Secretary-General] Antonio Guterres, a sincere man, has proposed printing money worth ten percent of global GDP. Even as things are the dollar is gradually losing its value, and here it will just drop, giving rise to inflation. Where we will come out of this with our [Belarusian] ruble we know,” the president explained.

“Moreover, who will receive these $20 trillion? Where will this money end up? Will it not be a case of the rich getting richer, while the poor get poorer? I think it will. We’ve been pushed to shut down and sit and eat through the small reserves we have.
"And then, having printed out this 10 percent of global GDP, those who stay on their feet will come to us and say ‘here is a little for you, but now you will do what we say’. That’s how the world can be reshaped,” he warned.

^When the projected numbers don't manifest and the PTB will say it's because they kept us locked in our homes, Belarus is going to provide the control group for this experiment, showing that they didn't get the projected numbers either and didn't need a lockdown. As I've said, 350 people infected and 4 dead in Belarus atm.

It's great to see that some of the people who are supposed to play the elite's game are not only calling bullshit, but even telling people how this game works and what the inevitable results will be.
 
When the supply chain starts developing a surplus in warehouses etc it's good to give the public a scare to panic buy up surplus stock and give your employees a government forced leave from work, telling us it's paid for just tells us we will pay more for everything in the future to make up for it.

With the surplus sold off including those pesky canned soups that just don't move well without a crisis and no lose of revenue at the manufacturing end this crisis is a dream come true for a huge sector of the failing economy.

If this is a real pandemic and the kill ratio skyrockets I'm sure we'll be glad we bought the extra toilet paper and canned soup, certainly China and Taiwan seem to have ended their crisis quickly with relatively few deaths considering this flu began on their doorstep. I'm neither an expert in viral science or economics but when something smells like a lie look where the money goes and you'll find it 99.99% of the time.

When I look at the death/infection rates from around the world I am suddenly very suspect that all is not correct, given the human element in the reporting I'm just unsure whose wrong and by how much.
 
"Trump is Hitler" and "Why won't Trump order a national lockdown" is one hell of an unexpected crossover.
...................you don't get it, do you?

NATIONALISM wouldn't hesitate to do the national lockdown, close the ports of entry.

Trump claims he's a nationalist. It's a LIE he's a white internationalist.

Trump's nazi-esque behavior is reknown. Forcing GM to make ventilators... bullying state/local gov'ts into lockdowns so you can't go to a religions dinner (not even a large meeting in a place of worship) during a religious holiday, manipulating the media as best he can to prevent things he doesn't like from being put out.

Hitler wouldn't have fucked up so badly fiscally as Trump did. Trump's worse than Hitler in a lot of ways, perhaps he hasn't killed 6 million people...sure.

I don't want him to do NS ideology BS but in light of a possible viral pandemic it would have been prudent, wise, and moral to shut down the ports of entry a long time ago to keep domestic US airlines going... it would have saved the economy, an industry quite a bit, ...etc...
 
...................you don't get it, do you?

NATIONALISM wouldn't hesitate to do the national lockdown, close the ports of entry.

Trump claims he's a nationalist. It's a LIE he's a white internationalist.

Trump's nazi-esque behavior is reknown. Forcing GM to make ventilators... bullying state/local gov'ts into lockdowns so you can't go to a religions dinner (not even a large meeting in a place of worship) during a religious holiday, manipulating the media as best he can to prevent things he doesn't like from being put out.

Hitler wouldn't have fucked up so badly fiscally as Trump did. Trump's worse than Hitler in a lot of ways, perhaps he hasn't killed 6 million people...sure.

I don't want him to do NS ideology BS but in light of a possible viral pandemic it would have been prudent, wise, and moral to shut down the ports of entry a long time ago to keep domestic US airlines going... it would have saved the economy, an industry quite a bit, ...etc...


Actually NBC reported on February 27, 2020 that Trump wanted to do just that Captain. The Media response was that it would be racist and not needed, even harmful. How quickly we forget, right?


Turmp Defends closing borders due to possible Corona Virus Pandemic
 
After the media criticized Trump for promoting the drug they're now finally accepting that it may be a valid treatment.

Yep. Long before Trump tweeted about it, they were already using it in South Korea. That's where the first research on using that drug for COVID-19 came from. And check out SK's numbers, very impressive especially considering their close proximity to China. Early small scale studies are looking very promising.

I am no Trump fan but I can't help but roll my eyes whenever the media goes out of their way to discredit absolutely anything he says. They twist things as much as possible, they can't accept that occasionally Trump might say something that's right.

He suggests a medication already used against COVID-19 in SK and China might be a valid COVID-19 treatment? Nope impossible, he must be evil and encouraging people to self-medicate!

Are the journalists not smart enough to realise that acting in this way is only giving ammunition to Trump when he talks about "fake news"? There is a lot of distrust in the MSM right now from both sides of the political spectrum, and rightfully so. All they care about is pushing an agenda first. They make up the facts afterwards.
 
Trump claims he's a nationalist. It's a LIE he's a white internationalist.
If anything Trump is a Business Democrat.

And I don't think you get it....mate.
This is a power play by a covert global cabal. And virtually every country has fallen in lockstep with their master's directions - except for Brazil, Sweden (surprisingly!) and Belarus. Trump is doing his best to fight the agenda but we'll see what happens there.

Now for some good info:

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine Sulfate, Zinc and Z-Pak [UPDATES]
"Dr. Vladimir Zelenko in New York has now treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success. Dr. Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner, has been using a cocktail of drugs: hydroxychloroquine, in combination with azithromycin (Z-Pak), an antibiotic to treat secondary infections, and zinc sulfate.

Dr. Zelenko said he saw the symptom of shortness of breath resolved within four to six hours after treatment."
 
Coronavirus death rate much lower than previously reported, study says
0.66% IS LESS THAN THE SEASONAL FLU!

"The study published Monday in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases estimated that the death rate will be 0.66%, which is much lower than figures between 2% and 3.4% that have come out of Wuhan, China, according to CNN."

CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed

You're locked in your house on the basis of cooked numbers.

Many covid-19 patients being killed by the treatment they are receiving? This NYC physician is concerned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o

 
"Modelling" is used to predict the spread of covid-19. As a result, we are told we must "flatten the curve" to prevent large numbers of people with covid-19 from "inundating" hospitals, therefore, we need to lock down countries and "self-isolate"

Yet "modelling" has also been used to predict that 50% or more of the population have already been exposed to covid-19 and it is clear by now those people are NOT inundating hospitals because the VAST MAJORITY of people will either have NO symptoms or mild symptoms.

The most REASONABLE assumption therefore is to treat this virus as it has presented so far, i.e. VERY similar to the flu in that it primarily endangers the elderly with 1 or more serious underlying conditions. There, is therefore, NO good reason for the lock down.



One of the world's leading epidemiologists, Stanford professor John Ioannidis, parses the available data on this COVID-19 fiasco and finds that the death rate is WAY LOWER than anything the WHO or the media is saying:

"A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social & financial consequences may be totally irrational."

We're being led into a trap people.



"No, it's NOT 'just the flu'," they said.

Not even wrong!

In terms of excess deaths from 'influenza-like illnesses' - of which COVID-19 is one - we're actually living through a BELOW-AVERAGE flu season.

(And that's according to statistics tracked by EuroMOMO, the EU agency responsible for monitoring excess deaths in Europe.)
 
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Coronavirus death rate much lower than previously reported, study says
0.66% IS LESS THAN THE SEASONAL FLU!

"The study published Monday in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases estimated that the death rate will be 0.66%, which is much lower than figures between 2% and 3.4% that have come out of Wuhan, China, according to CNN."
This might be true for a US or global average.... but Italy hit 11%.

Keep in mind that 1 in 200 people is still... really bad.

If stuff like ALS, Huntington's, etc. was 1 in 200 I'd be shit-scared.

P.S. If I do get Huntington's one day I wouldn't be surprised, at all..

Irritability38–73%
Apathy34–76%
Anxiety34–61%
Depressed mood33–69%
Obsessive and compulsive10–52%
Psychotic3–11%

Uh huh... that's..... lovely.

Thank god it's a rare disorder I can largely assume I don't have due to the laws of probability.

0.66% of the entire planet = 52.8 million people.

I don't see how you can just shrug off that many deaths from a new virus and think it's OK.

About 32 million people year to date have died of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Do you think that's no big deal, less than the flu?

You fuck without condoms? I don't blame you just wondering.

Curious as to how you reconcile these #'s.
 
Coronavirus death rate much lower than previously reported, study says
0.66% IS LESS THAN THE SEASONAL FLU!

"The study published Monday in the medical journal The Lancet Infectious Diseases estimated that the death rate will be 0.66%, which is much lower than figures between 2% and 3.4% that have come out of Wuhan, China, according to CNN."

CDC Tells Hospitals To List COVID as Cause of Death Even if You're Just Assuming or It Only Contributed

You're locked in your house on the basis of cooked numbers.

Many covid-19 patients being killed by the treatment they are receiving? This NYC physician is concerned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o

More people will die from the damage being done to the economy than the virus itself. Calling it now.
 
We've crippled the world economy based on MODELS.
If those models turn out to be (unsurprisingly to me) inaccurate, then who are we going to blame?



The thing about if the numbers turn out to be lower than feared is that those against the current measures will shout that it's proof of their view that social distancing and lockdown was not necessary after all, when it could also be evidence that said measures did what they were supposed to do.

My current opinion is that many world governments are handling this terribly (and many are also using it as an excuse to implement agendas that are against the interest of the people - the US is actually doing much better in this regard than many places, surprisingly), but that, had no one done anything, we would be seeing a whole lot more total overwhelming of the health systems that we are seeing in some places such as NYC, Italy and Spain. Once again, as usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Yep. Long before Trump tweeted about it, they were already using it in South Korea. That's where the first research on using that drug for COVID-19 came from. And check out SK's numbers, very impressive especially considering their close proximity to China. Early small scale studies are looking very promising.

I am no Trump fan but I can't help but roll my eyes whenever the media goes out of their way to discredit absolutely anything he says. They twist things as much as possible, they can't accept that occasionally Trump might say something that's right.

He suggests a medication already used against COVID-19 in SK and China might be a valid COVID-19 treatment? Nope impossible, he must be evil and encouraging people to self-medicate!

Are the journalists not smart enough to realise that acting in this way is only giving ammunition to Trump when he talks about "fake news"? There is a lot of distrust in the MSM right now from both sides of the political spectrum, and rightfully so. All they care about is pushing an agenda first. They make up the facts afterwards.

Yeah I do actually trust SK's numbers (unlike China's), and it would be good for the world to adopt whatever it is they're doing.
 
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Jared Kushner's spine-chilling new role

By Frida Ghitis | CNN | 3 April 2020

President Donald Trump's son-in-law and adviser, Jared Kushner, seldom speaks to the public. Now we know why. When he stood at the White House podium on Thursday, what Americans heard was a spine-chilling performance from a believer in small government, delivered at a time when only big government can save the day.

Of all the times to have a global pandemic, did it have to happen during the reign of an administration that wants to shrink the government to a fraction of its ability? Did it have to come under a president who has no respect for crucially relevant expertise or qualifications, who has surrounded himself with people whose principal talent is their ability to pay him public homage?

If ever there were a time for big government, for ambitious programs, for a central role for federal authorities, it is right now. If ever there were a time for qualified people in government, it is now.

Kushner's translucent presence -- bereft of even the slightest hint of empathy, in perfect synchrony with his callous words -- is a spectacle suitable for our nightmarish times.

Now we know why Trump has put him in charge of so many intractable problems. Kushner is afflicted by a superabundance of unwarranted self-confidence. He is an introverted Trump; arrogance without flamboyance.

Kushner has chastised governors, with citizens literally gasping for air, for asking the federal government to help find life-saving ventilators. "Don't ask us for things when you don't know what you have in your own state. Just because you're scared, you ask your medical professionals and they don't know," he reprimanded.

At one point, he suggested that the federal stockpile of emergency medical supplies is not meant for the states, "It's supposed to be our stockpile," he said.

It is well-documented that Trump populated countless government positions with people utterly unqualified for their jobs. It comes as no surprise, then, that the rollout of emergency programs is proving less than impressive.

Gabriel Sherman, in Vanity Fair, wrote that it was reportedly Kushner who told Trump, "I'm doing my own projections... New York doesn't need all the ventilators."

Cuomo explained, during a CNN town hall on the coronavirus: "It's very simple: A person comes into the ICU unit. They need the ventilator, or they die."

 
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This might be true for a US or global average.... but Italy hit 11%.

Keep in mind that 1 in 200 people is still... really bad.

If stuff like ALS, Huntington's, etc. was 1 in 200 I'd be shit-scared.

P.S. If I do get Huntington's one day I wouldn't be surprised, at all..



Uh huh... that's..... lovely.

Thank god it's a rare disorder I can largely assume I don't have due to the laws of probability.

0.66% of the entire planet = 52.8 million people.

I don't see how you can just shrug off that many deaths from a new virus and think it's OK.

About 32 million people year to date have died of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). Do you think that's no big deal, less than the flu?

You fuck without condoms? I don't blame you just wondering.

Curious as to how you reconcile these #'s.

Because the death rate that actually matters for COVID-19 is the IFR, the death rate that is easy to measure is the CFR however the CFR is increased by catching and throwing in died with not of COVD-19. The numbers you say are really bad are CFRs, there are many many invisible infections that are the denominator in the IFR but are missing in the denominator of the CFR. The invisible infections are the known unknowns to quote an earlier idiot.

It is monumentally foolish to multiply the susceptible population with by IFR to obtain death estimates.
It is the kind of thing that Neil Ferguson, (who incidentally is a fearmongering cretin), has been advocating as a short cut to calculating disease impact with his complete BS model. The Imperial college model that has funtionally destroyed the USA and the UK and much of Europe. With this model and a bunch of stupid politicians Imperial college has achieved in a matter of weeks what the might of the Soviet Union or the Wermacht couldn't do in 50 years or 5 years respectively. Food for thought.


It just doesn't happen like that in the real world EVER. Infection chains terminate for a variety of reasons, however once the chain is broken it cannot be remade. put it another way, every single person and every single living thing is the descendant of the earliest living thing, that chain going back is unbroken, if that chain breaks then that is it, the chain cannot reform. Its broken, gone, finito, end of, so future life cannot be your descendent, ever.

It is exactly the same with diseases, infection chains spread out in many different directions and with COVID-19 they all trace back in an unbroken chain to a bat in Wuhan via a Pangolin (for arguments sake), but if at any point the infection chain breaks that is it. that chain cannot be reformed. leave aside the time determinate and mixing determinants and cycle times the multiply a small number (lethality) by a big number (total number of susceptables) is complete and utter BS proffered by people who do not actually understand real world math. mixing and time determined movement.

simple deterministic stuff says at least 60 million people year die in this world, so roughly 160 000 per day, the real number is higher and varies according to the seasons and cyclically but I won't go into the reasons.

COVID-19 what 2 million confirmed infections, multiply by the CFR gives at the worst end of the range 200k deaths so far, or one days worth of deaths. AT FACE VALUE however...

now answer this? given 160k people die each day Globally, In the West their slice of the 160k die in hospitals where there is COVID-19 so are much more likely to become infected, but the rules say that people who are diagnosed COVID-19 through testing must be tagged COVID-19 as cause of death.... do you now believe all the numbers of people tagged as of COVID positive and dead Dead is easy to determine and COVID positive is pretty easy too, are dead causally due to COVID infection?
Some undoubtedly will be causally related to COVID therefore COVID zapped them.
some die as an indirect consequence of COVID and so on.
people die, it is always sad because each number is a person, a father, a son a, brother, a mother, a daughter, a friend a human. I am not disconnected from that, but it is important to keep overall perspective.

there is no chance that the flavor of COVID-19 circulating in Italy is 5 times more lethal than the virus circulating in Germany. ZERO chance, so you have to think harder what these numbers mean.

there is another much darker aspect of all of this, people who do not have COVID and never will have COVID will die as a consequence of the response to covid. I am not going to share the stories I have heard.

in a huge rush at the moment so I don't have time to delve into some other interesting things or really check things, but the gist here is absolutely correct. But if you have time please stop and think through stuff for yourself, grab your own numbers and then work some things out.

By the end of this everyone will know someone who knows someone who knows someone etc who died either with or of COVID, but then again most people are only 6-8 degrees of separation from every single person on earth.
 
0.66% mortality is NOT less than the flu. It's substantially higher.

God this thread is a cesspool of bullshit.
 
0.66% mortality is NOT less than the flu. It's substantially higher.

God this thread is a cesspool of bullshit.

Correct it's higher than the seasonal flu which is 0.1%, but 0.66% is still significantly lower than the 2-4% estimates widely reported in the media by a HUGE margin.

Yet again this is why the MSM has no credibility.
 
Cometary impact sometime during April.

Just gonna leave that here..

yeah.
I hear Comet Atlas has either broken up into more comet’s.
More comets have suddenly appeared.
Of course the “scientific community “ is baffled!

(you and I have a lot of the same thoughts and insight my friend. ❤)
 
More people will die from the damage being done to the economy than the virus itself. Calling it now.
you heartless bastard. /jk

you're of course correct , some people have called the same thing from the very start.
but nobody wants to hear that, go back to your praying, your sackcloth and ashes, self flagellation works too.. we much appease the Corona god, because like virgin sacrifices to make the sun rise each morning it is pigeon religion.

Didn't work out too well for the Aztecs when a Cortez and a bunch of short smelly extreme capitalists turned up, no matter how many virgins they sacrificed the Spanish bullets just kept on working and all their warriors fell over.

the main thing to learn from all of this is not to get caught by an information blackout, in the fog any information is useful so long as you can process it and that is what the strategic thinkers are working making sure we get on as we speak. maybe not for this wave maybe not even for this disease, but we will get that radar to see objects in the fog of uncertainty. This must never happen again, because next time it could actually be virus X.
 
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Correct it's higher than the seasonal flu which is 0.1%, but 0.66% is still significantly lower than the 2-4% estimates widely reported in the media by a HUGE margin.

Yet again this is why the MSM has no credibility.

CFR for ordinary coronaviruses, the ordinary human ones that cause the common cold is up to 6% in certain circumstances. CFR is case fatality which is physician diagnosed infection then death, strictly it should be death due to that diagnosed infection. in reality physicians go ILI and then paths go dead due to whatever failure due to ILI.

don't try and argue numbers with people who don't know what the numbers mean.

IFR which we will only know after the outbreak has died down and through doing serological survey is going to be low, in the normal range of pandemic flu probably towards the lower bound. IFR is infection mortality rate and includes un diagnosed symptomatic and asymptomatic and other hidden cryptic cases. but it is difficult to determine actually during an infection outbreak and particularly in the early stages when the disease takes down and kills those most likely to die anyway which skews the apparent lethality.

In a storm the weak and rotten trees fall first. Ironically the numbers for nCOV have been enhanced by a really lack luster performance this season by that ever popular seasonal player influenza which has lead to more people at risk.

I am not be dark cold and twisted or uncaring, but this shit really matters, you can't hang out with medics unless you can deal with dark with humour.
 
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Correct it's higher than the seasonal flu which is 0.1%, but 0.66% is still significantly lower than the 2-4% estimates widely reported in the media by a HUGE margin.

Yet again this is why the MSM has no credibility.

Except it was ALSO widely reported at the time that those numbers would likely change as time went on.

That people don't pay any notice to that disclaimer is their fault. It's the unavoidable consequence of data taking a while to become more accurate.

We really don't seem to know just yet what the true mortality rate is. Or more accurately, there probably isn't one because your mortality rate is dependent on various factors, probably including the state of the health care you get. Hence the numbers being all over the place.

All that matters is, was there good reason to believe it was substantially more deadly than the common flu? Yes. Is there still? Yes.
 
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