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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Trump was considering a safety commission headed by Robert Kennedy Jr to look into the deadly effects of vaccines.

Gates warns Trump: “No, that’s a dead end. That would be a bad thing. Don’t do that.”



Same guy that wants to lower the global population. Same guy that doesn't want us out of lockdown until we're all vaccinated with his vaccine. Same guy that simulated this exact situation months ago. Didn't want a safety commission into vaccines. Really? WHO IS STILL BUYING THIS?

A lot of people unfortunately :D

It's a message to trump from them it's a warning duh everyone knows gates is dodgey
 
*Approaches NPC*

--> [Logic Skill: 78%] "Referring to a virus through it's country of origin is misleading and serves zero pertinence to the genetic strain in of itself given Corona's previous mutations in other countries."

--> "This Trump guy know's what he is doing."

SPEECH LOGIC CHECK, FAIL!

"This Trump guy know's what he is doing."

Dr. Fauci: "Well, let's not squander our thoughts on frivolous matters."

DR. FAUCI HAS LOST RESPECT FOR YOU!

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According to current statistics the uk death rate is nearly 10% I'm not even making this up look it up just over 30000 infected and nearly 10000 dead
try getting the numbers vaguely right.
what is currently the situation? currently 3605 deaths with not from coronavirus and 38000 tested confirmed positive,

As an experiment see if you can explain in 400 words or less what that really means. I guarantee you will get it wrong, if you do you will be in good company. I have recently had conversations with professors over the last week who don't understand what these numbers actually mean.
 

'I don't want to': Trump rejects CDC coronavirus face mask guidance


'I'm not going to do it': Trump rejects his own administration's advice on masks

by David Smith | The Guardian | 4 April 2020

The CDC has issued new guidance on wearing non-medical masks as a voluntary public health measure – and the first lady supports it.

Donald Trump has said his administration is encouraging Americans to wear face masks in public to prevent spreading the coronavirus – but does not intend to wear one himself, despite his own wife’s advice.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued new guidance for people to wear bandannas, t-shirts and other cloth-based coverings in crowded areas, especially in hot spots.

“The CDC is advising the use of non-medical cloth face covering as an additional voluntary public health measure,” the US president told reporters on Friday. “This is voluntary. I don’t think I’m going to be doing it.”

Yet later on Friday evening, first lady Melania Trump tweeted: “As the weekend approaches I ask that everyone take social distancing & wearing a mask/face covering seriously.”

At the daily White House coronavirus task force briefing, Trump was pressed to explain his unwillingness to lead by example and offered a characteristically unconventional reply. “I just don’t want to wear one myself. They say ‘recommendation’, they recommend it. I’m feeling good,” – a remark that ignored evidence that many virus carriers do not show symptoms.

He went on: “I just don’t want to be doing – somehow sitting in the Oval Office behind that beautiful Resolute Desk, the great Resolute Desk, I think wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, I don’t know, somehow I don’t see it for myself. Maybe I’ll change my mind, but this will pass, and hopefully it will pass very quickly.”

The guidance on face covering has shifted over time. Previously only the sick or those at high risk of complications from the virus were advised to wear masks. Jerome Adams, the US surgeon general, tweeted at the end of February that people should “STOP BUYING MASKS” and said they were not effective in protecting the general public.

On Friday, Adams admitted the evolution of the guidance on masks “has been confusing to the American people.” He said the original advice was based on the best information available at the time and that the World Health Organization recommended against using them.

But now, Adams said, it is known that a “significant portion” of people with the virus lack symptoms and can transmit it before they show symptoms, for example by coughing, sneezing or speaking. “In light of this new evidence, CDC recommends, and the task force recommends, wearing cloth-based coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain. These includes places like grocery stores and pharmacies.”

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At Friday’s briefing, Trump was not accompanied by Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, or son-in-law Jared Kushner, who spoke at the podium on Thursday about his growing role in the supply chain.

Kushner, who has no medical qualifications, raised eyebrows by claiming that states should use their own equipment stockpiles first, adding: “The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”

Hours later, the administration suddenly changed the description of the strategic national stockpile on government websites, switching the emphasis from it being the country’s biggest supply for use in a public health emergency to it supplementing state and local supplies. “Many states have products stockpiled, as well,” it now says.

At the briefing, Trump was challenged by Weijia Jiang, White House correspondent of CBS News, over Kushner’s use of the word “our”. He dismissed it as a “gotcha” question, responding: “It means the United States of America. And then we take that ‘our’ and we distribute it to the states. We need it for the government and we need it for the federal government ..."

“As an example, we have almost 10,000 ventilators and we are ready to rock with those ventilators. We’re gonna bring them to various areas of the country that need them. When he says ‘our’ he’s talking about our country. He’s talking about the federal government.”


Increasingly riled as he sought to defend a family member, Trump told Jiang, a woman of colour: “I mean, it’s such a basic, simple question and you try to make it sound so bad. You ought to be ashamed of yourself ... You just asked your question in a very nasty tone.”

The tension between federal and state governments in the distribution of ventilators, masks, gloves and other equipment has been a defining feature of the incoherent US response to the virus. Trump reeled off numbers of supplies Washington is sending to states, including 8.1m masks to New York, which has been hardest hit.

But Andrew Cuomo, the governor of New York, tweeted on Friday: “We do not have enough ventilators. Period.”

Pressed on whether he can assure New Yorkers that they will have a sufficient quantity, Trump said bluntly: “No. They should’ve had more ventilators at the time. They should’ve had more ventilators, They were totally under-serviced. We are trying to do – we are doing our best for New York."



“You know, we have states, we have a lot of states – we have territories too – but we have a lot of states that have to be taken care of. Some much more so than others. We happen to think he’s well-served with ventilators. We’re gonna find out.”

Whereas Fauci has called for a nationwide state-at-home order, Trump continues to argue that the main responsibility lies with the states. “I leave it up to the governors,” he said on Friday. “I like that from the standpoint of governing.”

Critics say the administration was caught napping by the pandemic and has mobilised the buying and manufacturing of equipment way too late. But Trump took a swipe at his predecessor, Barack Obama, complaining: “The previous administration, the shelves were empty.”

As Trump also continues to attack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, and massive job losses leave people uninsured, there are growing concerns over access to health care for millions. But the White House said on Friday it would cover the costs of coronavirus treatment for uninsured people, drawing on $100bn set aside in the emergency rescue package passed by Congress last week.

Friday’s briefing also produced a very Trumpian moment as he referred to the models projecting the virus’s spread and death toll. He said: “The models show hundreds of thousands of people are going to die. You know what I want to do? I want to come way under the model. The professionals did the models. I was never involved in a model – at least, this kind of a model.”

 
The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile. It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”


What da fuck?

God this administration is a joke.

And as for Trump not wearing a mask. Man do I feel conflicted. On the one hand, you're fucking president, you're a leader, if you want your people to do something lead by fucking example. Don't say you're too proud or concerned about your image to protect your own health!

On the other hand... Maybe he'll be more likely to get infected? And then maybe he'll die? I feel kinda bad saying this but that would make me waaay happier than a man's death should.
 
If there was some way to screen, like a moron-detector wand, that'd be great... but there isn't. I'd rather be armed myself and take my chances than let only criminals have weapons.
you do realize that all the guns criminals have have been sold legally at some point? with that in mind, widespread easy access to firearms for anybody is probably the sole reason they are in widespread use among criminals.
 
you do realize that all the guns criminals have have been sold legally at some point? with that in mind, widespread easy access to firearms for anybody is probably the sole reason they are in widespread use among criminals.

Just a request, can we please not start a giant gun tangent here? Cause we're just gonna have to move it. You're more than welcome to start a new thread or ask in private.

Strictly speaking I have no problem with brief off topic tangential discussions. It's just guns are one of those topics that almost never stop once they've started. So I doubt this'll get back on topic organically if it really gets going.
 
What da fuck?

God this administration is a joke.

And as for Trump not wearing a mask. Man do I feel conflicted. On the one hand, you're fucking president, you're a leader, if you want your people to do something lead by fucking example. Don't say you're too proud or concerned about your image to protect your own health!

On the other hand... Maybe he'll be more likely to get infected? And then maybe he'll die? I feel kinda bad saying this but that would make me waaay happier than a man's death should.

do you really care about what the great leader is doing, you are in progressive AUS?

Masks FWIW protect others from you not you from others. Respirators like n95s protect you from others but not neccesarily others from you, valved respirators make that dynamic even worse caughs and sneezes build up inside out of light in a nice moist environment, the exhaust from the outlet valve is nicely moist well mixed and consist of high air velocity air carrying droplets.....
So please understand what you are saying.

Rumor is AUS is making valium and Thorazine OTC. Maybe there is still hope.

nova
 
do you really care about what the great leader is doing, you are in progressive AUS?

Masks FWIW protect others from you not you from others. Respirators like n95s protect you from others but not neccesarily others from you, valved respirators make that dynamic even worse caughs and sneezes build up inside out of light in a nice moist environment, the exhaust from the outlet valve is nicely moist well mixed and consist of high air velocity air carrying droplets.....
So please understand what you are saying.

Rumor is AUS is making valium and Thorazine OTC. Maybe there is still hope.

nova

Doesn't change anything, in some ways it makes it worse since now he's too proud to protect other people's life's. I mean sure you're right, I made a mistake, it happens, but it makes no difference. He's a leader and should act like one. Don't tell everyone to do one thing then do the reverse yourself for reasons like personal image.

And yes it does affect me, apart from the sheer fact that the US president bring a moron affects everyone, and apart from the fact that I'm a US citizen, I have family in the US, and what affects them affects me.
 
Listen to these MDs who are concerned about social, economic, and public health consequences of #COVID19 measures that are resulted in current meltdown of normal life.
#Coronavirus response measures will kill more people than the virus itself.

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If this virus were 4 x as deadly it would be a close rival to starvation.

It doesn't surprise me our response to starvation is not as global and restrictive. Only poor can starve but viruses can kill wealthy.

The fear that is gripping society is currently taking clear headed thinking out of the picture. Like every great disaster humanity has faced in our past it is highly unlikely we will do the right things.

The opportunity for greed is always present and people die because of it daily everywhere, during this crisis the opportunity for co-operation is much stronger. Look past the media generated fear and use this quiet alone time to view this problem from many sides. The solution is in cooperation but the money isn't so I doubt we will.
 
Nature.com

2 keys of interest in this article I noted, with their sources listed:


a) "Debilitated patients rally after dose of survivors’ blood

People seriously ill with COVID-19 experienced striking improvement after receiving infusions of blood from disease survivors, according to two separate research teams.

Both teams extracted antibody-laden plasma — a component of blood — from people who’d recovered from COVID-19."



So what we could theoretically have is taking survivors blood — literally force them, strap them to a chair and ballgag them if necessary — and use it to naturally produce immunity antibodies the previous surviving victim left over.


b) "Antibodies from llamas help to foil the COVID-19 virus

Antibodies from llamas (Lama glama) could help in the fight against several coronaviruses that infect humans.

Fusing the SARS antibody from a llama with an antibody from a human yielded a hybrid that neutralized the virus responsible for COVID-19."



Once again, Llama's save the day, and get fuck all credit as a species. If I ever hear any BL'ers talk shit about Llama's it's an instant report.


Also, The Daily Show did a terrific editing job about the lunacy of Fox News in relationship to this virus. This is well worth the 3 minute watch. Tomi Lahren's needs her sweet pussy to get the crazy fucked right out of her system. Just hardcore fuck-pounding till the crazy is gone. I volunteer.

 
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Cuomo wins praise for 'wisdom' amid coronavirus crisis as Trump blusters

by Richard Luscombe | The Guardian | 24 Mar 2020

The New York governor’s briefings are being hailed for ‘wisdom and competence’, while Trump picks fights with reporters.

In the words of John C Maxwell, the distinguished bestselling author of inspirational books, "a true leader is one who knows the way, shows the way and goes the way.” As Donald Trump continues to bluster his way through daily coronavirus briefings by picking fights with journalists and contradicting the advice of medical experts, the New York governor, Andrew Cuomo, is rising as an alternative guiding force for a nation in crisis – and the president’s staff are beginning to take notice.

Ostensibly, Cuomo’s nationally televised addresses are aimed at the almost 20 million residents of a state affected more than any other by the virus. "But his wisdom and competence,” according to the former White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci, "is resonating in every corner of the United States."

Brian Stelter, CNN’s chief media correspondent, reported on Sunday that senior administration sources told him that the president’s team was keeping a close eye on Cuomo’s daily briefings. Meanwhile, other respected commentators are noting the contrast between Trump’s lengthy and often rambling appearances at the podium and Cuomo’s straight-talking approach, from which they say the president could take some pointers.

On Sunday, Cuomo warned that up to 80% of his state could contract Covid-19 unless action was taken, and demanded that federal authorities take over the acquisition and distribution of medical supplies to prevent states having to compete with each other to buy essential equipment.

He ended his address by likening the crisis to the challenges faced by “the greatest generation” that survived the second world war and promised, “We’re going to overcome this, and America will be the greater for it.”

“It’s real leadership - the kind the president of the United States should have provided to the American people throughout this crisis, but hasn’t,”
Carl Bernstein, the former Washington Post journalist who broke the Watergate scandal, told Stelter.

“We as New Yorkers are lucky to have a leader like Governor Cuomo in this crisis,” Mark Ruffalo, the actor and climate change activist, said in a tweet that echoed others comparing him favorably to Trump.

Cuomo, 62, is the son of the three-term New York governor Mario Cuomo and brother of journalist Chris Cuomo, a CNN anchor with whom Trump has frequently clashed. In his nine years in the governor’s mansion he has developed a reputation for forthright speaking, but also won praise for showing a personal and reassuring tone that has come to the fore in a series of briefings this week.

On Sunday, he devoted a segment of his press conference to the emotional impact that self-isolation was having on families, particularly being closeted together for long periods of time. “It’s complicated,” he conceded. “I live alone, I’m even getting annoyed with the dog.”

As for hope, Cuomo had this message: “It’s going to be hard, there is no doubt. But at the same time it is going to be OK. The grocery stores are going to function, there’s going to be food, the transportation systems are going to function, the pharmacies are going to be open. All essential services will be maintained."

“There’s not going to be chaos, there’s not going to be anarchy. Order and function will be maintained. Life is going to go on, different, but life is going to go on. So take a deep breath on all of that.”


In perhaps another indication that Trump is drawing inspiration from the governor’s crisis management abilities, Cuomo’s name was noticeably absent from a tweet by the president on Sunday attacking other state leaders for perceived “shortcomings.” Earlier in the week, the pair had exchanged Twitter insults, with Trump asserting that Cuomo needed to “do more,” and the governor snapping back: “YOU have to do something. You’re supposed to be the president.”

In recent days the tone has been more conciliatory, with the two men taking turns to compliment each other.

Cuomo said he had reached out his hand, metaphorically, to Trump: “If you can help my people, if you can help the country, God bless you,” he said. “We’re all Americans. Nothing else matters at this time.”


I have never voted in an election, but this guy I would vote for. - pb

Sarcasm ...right ?
 
"Trump is Hitler" and "Why won't Trump order a national lockdown" is one hell of an unexpected crossover.
Wanna here something trippy

Trump us... Michael Jackson he just had another surgery to look like him didn't you see that video of trump moonwalking over the Mexican wall

They actually used to be good friends though seriously
 
We've crippled the world economy based on MODELS.
If those models turn out to be (unsurprisingly to me) inaccurate, then who are we going to blame?

 
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