Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[Jabberwocky]

BOOOH! I am the seasonal flu with a more scary name, politically weaponized via mainstream media and their brain dead audience.

Only 99.75% will survive me. Poo is allowed to enter your pants now. Wear the mask! Biden said you should, and look how intelligent and coherent he is. Almost able to form simple sentences. Get high on your own CO2 and be a zombie.

Call it a vaccine, if you are unable or unwilling to do some research and notice that it is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy, a highly experimental form of "treatment" with zero data about long term effects. I think i heard someone cough next door. Gonna call the emergency number, we need army on the streets.

Close the whole fucking universe. Shut it down. I mean, it is THE FLU we are talking about. Been here for millennia, will be here for millennia to come, and will mutate. But hey! Delta variant! Delta, that is something bad, right?!?!?!?

*DROPS MIC*

 

[birdup.snaildown]

*PICKS MIC BACK UP AGAIN*

@Ghost fart

1) We vaccinate against the flu.

2) The "seasonal" flu doesn't kill 0.25% of the population every year. It kills something like 0.007%.

3) There have been many strains of influenza, like the "Spanish flu" from 1918 that killed 2.5% of the world's population. COVID has existed for about 2 years. Influenza has existed for thousands. If we do nothing about COVID, we will inevitably have much more disastrous events like we did in 1918.

Call it a vaccine, if you are unable or unwilling to do some research and notice that it is not a vaccine, it is gene therapy, a highly experimental form of "treatment" with zero data about long term effects.

4) There is no "it". We are talking about numerous vaccines here. If some of them aren't vaccines - in your opinion - simply because they are experimental, then the more traditional COVID vaccines should qualify as vaccines? You need to be consistent.

I think i heard someone cough next door. Gonna call the emergency number, we need army on the streets.

Close the whole fucking universe. Shut it down. I mean, it is THE FLU we are talking about. Been here for millennia, will be here for millennia to come, and will mutate. But hey! Delta variant!

5) I agree that the reaction to this virus is too strong, but it is not the flu. It is not influenza. Maybe it is "the new flu"? I wonder, if only we had the opportunity three thousand years ago to suppress influenza, how many billions of deaths could we have avoided? We are used to the flu, but it is a virus that kills people. My father (in his early 70s) almost died from a particularly nasty influenza infection.

Delta, that is something bad, right?!?!?!?

6) It's certainly not something good.

 

[AutoTripper]

Is it incorrect that people who die from the vaccine die "with" it?
People with AIDS don't die from AIDS. They die with it.

That’s absolutely correct. I support that. Things can’t only work one way.

I wanted to move onto that actually. Indeed, a lot of people are dying “with” the vaccine.

Significantly more than “with Covid” I see it being emphasised around.

Like 24-6 or something allegedly.

I’m not saying that proves or indicates anything n itself, and I haven’t scoured databases but I’m seeing this claim increasingly.

But I don’t see any invalidity in that point I made still. The With Covid deaths, are viewed and interpreted and acted upon, politically and advertently, as from, as a result of Covid.

Even if it was a car crash or whatever. If the criticised over cycle PCR test has indicated a positive in previous 28 days.

And these are the stats used to motivate action and justify measures.

The With vaccine deaths, are not being recorded as vaccine injuries or victims.

And again, how can a citizen like myself, wild theories aside I have eyes and ears and a very clear perception of things around me in real time.

Grant Schapps, representing my government speaking for them to the Nation live on television has told me in as confident, clear, calm and unhesitant a voice as possible,

“Yeah er, we know er, double…fully vaccinated people are much more likely to get and also carry (he emphasises carry too) the Coronavirus, so there comes a point where…”

His words could not have been spoken more clearly, explicitly, and there has been no retraction. If he said something like, vaccines harm, he’d have a loud bitch squealing in his ear…retract that now Grant do you realise what you just said.

So nobody blinked an eye or made comment except the conspiracy theorist public on the sidelines.

So I just assume he meant to say what? It’s up to the imagination.

I’m sure you’ll all say he thought he said much less likely.

How does that fit? (Thinking aloud).

He was so emphatic and confident in his “much more likely”, and emphatic too on the “and also carry”.

His words, not mine.

 

[Jabberwocky]

1) We vaccinate against the flu.

I don't take those lottery shots. They are estimations of what strains could show up.

2) The "seasonal" flu doesn't kill 0.25% of the population every year. It kills something like 0.007%.

It is not 0.25% of the population. It is 0.25% of those who get sick. That is why it is called "recovery rate"

There have been many strains of influenza, like the "Spanish flu" from 1918 that killed 2.5% of the world's population. COVID has existed for about 2 years. Influenza has existed for thousands. If we do nothing about COVID, we will inevitably have much more disastrous events like we did in 1918.

If we "do nothing about COVID" we will reach herd immunity. It certainly does not help to close down everything, make people jobless. Make them go home and stay there, unless they wear their obedience muzzle.

4) There is no "it". We are talking about numerous vaccines here. If some of them aren't vaccines - in your opinion - simply because they are experimental, then the more traditional COVID vaccines should qualify as vaccines? You need to be consistent.

It takes 5-10 years to develop a proper vaccine. With all the clinical trials and approvals. Sure, there were vast resources involved in developing corona "vaccines" but no amount of resources make time go faster. Why the fuck for do i have to be consistent? I was never able to do that, not able to do that now, and most likely never will be able to do that. Fuck consistency and debate Nazis who demand it.

5) I agree that the reaction to this virus is too strong, but it is not the flu. It is not influenza. Maybe it is "the new flu"? I wonder, if only we had the opportunity three thousand years ago to suppress influenza, how many billions of deaths could we have avoided? We are used to the flu, but it is a virus that kills people. My father (in his early 70s) almost died from a particularly nasty influenza infection.

Yeah, i mean, sure, corona is real. It has killed people and it will kill people. But it has been massively blown out of all proportions, in order for the ruling elite to gain more power and control over the masses. And make the masses willing to give up their freedoms for nothing in return, except more restrictions and some more of them again.

I am pleased to read that your father survived (y)

Regarding delta:

6) It's certainly not something good.

Pfffffft.... why? i mean why is it any different? Because the politicians told you so? WHO? Fauci? CNN? Do you REALLY believe that the politicians are there to benefit citizens? They are there to oppress us and lie to us, take fucking everything and make us fight with each other for some bread crumbs. Do not be a sheep. I am not saying be a wolf, just do not be a sheep. The powers that be, they love sheep.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

There is a middle ground between sheep and paranoid.

If you don't believe anyone, why believe anything?

Everyone is a sheep, we just have different shepherds.

Fuck consistency and debate Nazis who demand it.

Yes, indeed. Well said.

If we "do nothing about COVID" we will reach herd immunity.

Which country has herd immunity? How long did it take? How are their deaths per million? Which country has herd immunity to the flu? (Remember, you said this was the flu.)

 

[birdup.snaildown]

The With Covid deaths, are viewed and interpreted and acted upon, politically and advertently, as from, as a result of Covid.

Yes, but co-morbidity isn't new and it isn't unique to COVID so (relative to other factors) it balances out.

Unless you can determine the exact cause of death of all people with influenza, we will never know.

The stats are always an indication of what is happening.

We look at excess deaths to determine the truth, but that is also imperfect. Lockdown restrictions and mask mandates have dramatically reduced flu infection rates in many countries.

From what we can gather so far from the data, the reported numbers are not inconsistent with adjusted excess deaths.

Time will tell.

 

[Jabberwocky]

obedience muzzle.

do you descrbe a seat belt as an 'obedience restraint'- if so why not? the evidence for efficacy is similarly compelling in both cases.

It takes 5-10 years to develop a proper vaccine. With all the clinical trials and approvals. Sure, there were vast resources involved in developing corona "vaccines" but no amount of resources make time go faster.

ok, as someone who works in biomedical research i feel comfortable in stating that you can make up for time by having many more resources. in the UK n the first lockdown the options for every lab based biomed scientist were sit at home twiddling your thumbs. or change your research to covid-relevant stuff. so guess what- we all switched to covid straight away. biomedical science was designated essential later last year so now most researchers have gone back to their original projects because they were able to go to work on them during lockdowns.

a normal vaccine will have a couple of teams grinding away for years, a lot of it is the same people doing tweaking a given lab procedure over and over again until they get one that works. this work can easily be divided between more people to get results faster. through new collaborations and efforts such as crowdfight covid, the research for vaccines, theraputics, fundamental biology, every aspect of covid was shared. and when we are talking about literal lab time and experimental repeats being shared between much more people, we don't have a 'mythical man month' scenario where more bodies slows down work.

the only thing we are lacking on is long term data, because we did not have time to wait. we can't keep people locked down forever, its awful for mental health and the economy. herd immunity is millions more deaths, and a significant proportion of the workforce out due to long covid. these are not acceptable. at this point, these vaccines are the most watched novel pharmaceuticals ever. if you won't take them you shouldn't take any drug developed in the past 30 years.

i don't know if you've ever studied complexity theory, but if you have you'll know that in computing we can often swap time for space, depending on which resource is more important for a given application. we are seeing an analogous situation. it doesn't work for all projects but a lot of this vaccine development benefited greatly from more bodies and resources.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Fuck it, i rest my case. I think that the points i wanted to make are obvious to everyone reading this. In other words, my stance is clear on this one.

Those who know, already know, and those who do not know, never will know. Lost causes. The true casualties of this PLANdemic. It is sad. It really is.

 

[tubgirl.jpg]

@LordOfThisWorld This is a COVID question. Are you saying that COVID is the mark of the beast based on the Bible?
In that case I'm Satan.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Those who know, already know, and those who do not know, never will know. Lost causes. The true casualties of this PLANdemic. It is sad. It really is.

do you have evidence for any of your assertions? like actual data? i'm not even sure what you claim to know.

tbh i've done great out of this pandemic- got a super interesting job and 10k in payrises because suddenly my skills became very valuable. not remotely a casualty. just wish i coulda got that without over 4 million people dying worldwide and many more lives being destroyed.

 

[Jabberwocky]

do you have evidence for any of your assertions? like actual data? i'm not even sure what you claim to know.

tbh i've done great out of this pandemic- got a super interesting job and 10k in payrises because suddenly my skills became very valuable. not remotely a casualty. just wish i coulda got that without over 4 million people dying worldwide and many more lives being destroyed.

There is zero of such evidence, which you corona cultists would approve. It is futile to present them, trust me i have tried multiple times.

Congrats for the money. Money is nice

 

[Jabberwocky]

There is zero of such evidence,

you could probably have left it there

which you corona cultists would approve. It is futile to present them, trust me i have tried multiple times.

the central tenet of science is that you update your beliefs in the light of new evidence.

i have actually updated my beliefs on certain aspects of covid, and thus no longer dismiss some things as pure conspiracy, based on people articulating themselves and presenting evidence.

i do suspect that i wouldn't actually be swayed by your evidence, based on your usage of words like 'plandemic' which is indicative of having taken in certain types of misinformation, but its nice to be wrong about such things, its an opportunity to learn.

if it helps i'll go first:

Nextstrain

Real-time tracking of pathogen evolution

nextstrain.org

SARS-CoV-2 wuhCor1 NC_045512v2:1-29,903 UCSC Genome Browser v435

genome.ucsc.edu

NCBI SARS-CoV-2 Resources

Find SARS-CoV-2 related resources at NCBI. Download and submit sequences. Explore literature, identify clinical trials, and compounds used in them.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

GISAID - hCov19 Variants

www.gisaid.org

in addition to my own lab, this is the data on which i based my opinions. you'll note nothing in these links tells you what to think, and that they are all pulled from researchers all over the world so its unlikely that every contributor is under the same types of influence. making your own deductions from it is an exercise left to the reader. GISAID registration requires an application but the rest is available freely for all.

 

[AutoTripper]

Fuck it, i rest my case. I think that the points i wanted to make are obvious to everyone reading this. In other words, my stance is clear on this one.

Those who know, already know, and those who do not know, never will know. Lost causes. The true casualties of this PLANdemic. It is sad. It really is.

We do have a “situation” here (not a “grave” one lol- where did that common expression originate from? Just thinking about it now, generally)

We are very unlikely to persuade, agree, like @birdup.snaildown says, (only I add) time will tell.

I don’t wish to be “right” one bit. We all have strong positions. Can be critical and dismissive of one another. We can only see what time reveals or confirms.

Meanwhile, I’m trying not to create extra “Us and Them” divide.

I should just keep out of here I know. I try. I just care too much.

 

[prince_igor]

That is fucked up.



My friend's brother actually got the plague (in the United States) like 2 or 3 years ago I think it was, there was a small outbreak somewhere (I believe the northeast somewhere, upstate NY maybe, could have been somewhere else but that's where he has lived most of his life). He almost died because he was a homeless junkie and didn't seek help until it was almost too late. But yeah, antibiotics kill the plague. In modern times, the bubonic plague wouldn't have been anything like it is now, except in third world countries without the infrastructure to provide antibiotics. Of course, the impact that the bubonic plague had on the world's population and way of life was FAR beyond what COVID has had so far, a third of Europe's population died and it spanned like 200 years in various waves. No one understood what it was or how it spread, and there was no cure, and living conditions and health care were very bad to begin with. But yeah, if the United States had an outbreak of bubonic plague today, it would result in less death than COVID, because of antibiotics. In fact it probably wouldn't even manage to spread far.

By the way igor, good luck changing anyone's mind, been there done that. The anti-vaccine and "plandemic" sentiment that exists in people is ironclad. And tons of misinformation around about stuff like "more COVID deaths in vaccinated patients than in unvaccinated" and other such stuff. There are even large populations in the small towns around where I live that believe that the vaccine causes a "spike protein disease" and are finally now wearing masks for fear that the vaccinated people are going to give them the spike protein disease. There are fake videos of people being "magnetized" by heavy metals from the vaccine that - somehow - multiply and spread through spike protein multiplication and cause the whole body to become magnetic. Never mind that metals are not proteins. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to confirm the pre-existing fear that the vaccines and the pandemic are a sinister plot of some sort to control the population.

Don't burn yourself trying to argue, is my point. You won't get anywhere.

yep for the sake of sanity and to please our favorite python Kaa ill as he/she said leave it alone.

but just for the sake of being a positive report when so many are spreading miss information.

all of my family and freinds have had the vaccination and so far other than my sister in law getting a slight

chill the night of the second dose not a problem.

there are more deaths due to real and pure MDMA per user percentile than there is from

covid vaccination.

maybe we need to put some MDMA in the vaccination to encourage people.

 

[AutoTripper]

yep for the sake of sanity and to please our favorite python Kaa ill as he/she said leave it alone.

but just for the sake of being a positive report when so many are spreading miss information.

all of my family and freinds have had the vaccination and so far other than my sister in law getting a slight

chill the night of the second dose not a problem.

there are more deaths due to real and pure MDMA per user percentile than there is from

covid vaccination.

maybe we need to put some MDMA in the vaccination to encourage people.

I’m glad to hear that. I appreciate your positive intent.

We will see in time. Not everybody is reporting such plain sailing though.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

idk but i still think if you're young and healthy, and you believe covid is dangerous, and you'd really like to avoid catching it, then you should continue to lay low and skip the shots for now

it's basically resurging in places because ppl have declared it over even tho it isn't - it's winding down but it aint over....but relatively speaking, since gatherings aren't banned anymore, i think we should be seeing more of it....but im also hearing a lot of ppl getting sick with a cold right now and nobody's getting tested because nobody cares anymore - so idk about numbers anymore....nevermind the false postives and the person counted as dead from covid when they already had terminal cancer

i say pay attention to your local hospital...if its starting to get packed and you're in a situation where you think you might catch it, then maybe get a shot

and don't be one of those idiots who's caught covid and gets the shot too

 

[AutoTripper]

Or, and I won’t blame you all, call me a bore, but alternatively, get an electromedicine device capable of instantly, rapidly and directly targeting any and all respiratory infections.

It’s more than a safeguard, but that too.

If I didn’t know how effective it is, to the degree I describe, and how lifesaving it would be and has been not just for me, I’d not risk further ridicule and incredibility.

I’m currently trying a different approach. Same deal, diff frequency and current setting I thought was less effective for localised infections, but may be much better.

If so, I’ll have a far easier time keeping things very low.

I’ll say no more on it, prob here today.

 

[prince_igor]

idk but i still think if you're young and healthy, and you believe covid is dangerous, and you'd really like to avoid catching it, then you should continue to lay low and skip the shots for now

it's basically resurging in places because ppl have declared it over even tho it isn't - it's winding down but it aint over....but relatively speaking, since gatherings aren't banned anymore, i think we should be seeing more of it....but im also hearing a lot of ppl getting sick with a cold right now and nobody's getting tested because nobody cares anymore - so idk about numbers anymore....nevermind the false postives and the person counted as dead from covid when they already had terminal cancer

i say pay attention to your local hospital...if its starting to get packed and you're in a situation where you think you might catch it, then maybe get a shot

and don't be one of those idiots who's caught covid and gets the shot too

that's the key to believe it is dangerous and to pay attention good advice.

one thing that worries me is when people have one shot and then catch it.

that is how we mutate the beast into a truly hellish virus.

so I would advise if you get the shot make sure you get both and lay low while your waiting the time for

your second shot.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i say pay attention to your local hospital...if its starting to get packed and you're in a situation where you think you might catch it, then maybe get a shot

a) you aren't a doctor, so i'm not sure what you think qualifies you to advise anyone on any are of medicine
b) i spent 7 hours in the suspected covid part of my local a&e last week (for hayfever ffs, but all respiratory distress is suspect now) so i got to pay much attention, it was rammed, and there were a lot of very ill people- and this was just the subset not ill enough to be admitted to the hospital proper. but its not really practical, or advisable, to get yourself in such a mess you go in for yourself. given most people on here who don't want to get a covid vaccine also don't believe related published data (otherwise they would get the vaccine), how do you propose people even do that?

did you miss me?!?!?

 

[AutoTripper]

a) you aren't a doctor, so i'm not sure what you think qualifies you to advise anyone on any are of medicine
b) i spent 7 hours in the suspected covid part of my local a&e last week (for hayfever ffs, but all respiratory distress is suspect now) so i got to pay much attention, it was rammed, and there were a lot of very ill people- and this was just the subset not ill enough to be admitted to the hospital proper. but its not really practical, or advisable, to get yourself in such a mess you go in for yourself. given most people on here who don't want to get a covid vaccine also don't believe related published data (otherwise they would get the vaccine), how do you propose people even do that?

did you miss me?!?!?

Interesting, because I have felt like I’m sat in the minority camp, we’re just the fiery, attitudey blabberers standing out.

So many voices of reason from good members have been voiced throughout this thread in full ish support of most measures particularly jabs.

Maybe it’s more of an even ration, the BL demographic in this thread at least, we can’t say for the entire BL, or the web obvs.