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Xorkoth said:
I will admit I'm not really eager to be in the first wave of those who get vaccinated.

I have to get it because I work in healthcare, even though there are no cases in the country. I'm a little apprehensive about it for the reasons you mentioned, but I'm not overly concerned. Yes, it has been rushed... but they haven't bypassed the normal process and there haven't been any major complications from vaccines (that I'm aware of) for many decades.

I actually volunteered myself during the second phase of testing, but was ineligible because my partner would have to take birth control for 6 months and we're having another kid soonish. No volunteers have died or had major complications from any of the COVID-19 vaccines that are being rolled out. It is unusual for vaccines to have significant long-term/delayed effects in general, unless you happen to subscribe to all that anti-vax bullshit.
 
The “herd immunity” guy that no one else on the COVID-19 task force respects is resigning.

Controversial White House coronavirus adviser Scott Atlas to resign

Atlas, who has no infectious disease background, has spread misinformation about the virus and downplayed its seriousness.

Dr. Scott Atlas, the controversial White House coronavirus adviser, is resigning Tuesday, a White House official said Monday.

Fox News, which first reported the resignation, obtained Atlas's resignation letter, which is dated Dec. 1 and says he was on a 130-day detail set to expire this week.

Atlas, a neuroradiologist on leave from the Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank affiliated with Stanford University, has no background in infectious diseases.

President Donald Trump invited him to join the task force in August after having seen him on Fox News. Like Trump, Atlas has downplayed the seriousness of the virus, questioning the efficacy of masks and urging the White House to embrace a strategy of "herd immunity."

In September, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Robert Redfield, was overheard saying Atlas was spreading misinformation about the virus.

"Everything he says is false," Redfield was overheard saying by an NBC News reporter.

Atlas didn't attend a coronavirus task force meeting for months, and top experts on the panel, like Dr. Deborah Birx and Dr. Anthony Fauci, said they didn't appreciate his input at their meetings.

After Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer announced a partial shutdown order in response to the virus's growth in the state, Atlas this month called on people to "rise up" against the measures.

Stanford University called the comments"inconsistent with the university's approach in response to the pandemic" and said they reflected Atlas' personal views. Days later, the Stanford faculty passed a resolution condemning his "disdain for established medical knowledge."

In a statement, Atlas said his views were embraced by top epidemiologists at prominent universities. He added that he has recommended social distancing and mask-wearing.

In his resignation letter, Atlas said he wished "all the best" to the incoming administration — one of the few explicit acknowledgments from a Trump official about the transition of power.

 
Captain.Heroin said:
lol @ anyone who thinks we're paying down 30+ trillion dollars. We will default.

Just wanted to point something out about the US defaulting on 30 trillion dollars debt.

You guys have a third of a billion people.
Your GDP is over 20 trillion dollars a year.

Per capita the UK has 5 times your debt. New Zealand is higher on the list. Japan is higher on the list. Canada is higher (2 times, per capita). Australia is higher. Denmark is higher. France is higher (over 3 times). Finland is higher. Norway is higher. Switzerland is higher (9 times). Singapore is higher (also 9 times the US, per capita).

Debt is relative.
The US is fine.
 
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In my experience it’s always the middle class who winds up footing the bill? The rich get tax cuts, subsidies and offshore bank accounts.
The poor don’t have any money.
Instead they raise interest rates, move the middle tiers of tax brackets around so it looks like they’re doing something when all they’re really doing is moving a poorer group up into the ‘middle class’, throw in a new tax that anyone who earns more than $60,000 has to pay, convince men that they should be investing in their wives future by making extra contributions to her superannuation, feed the kids advertising gimics that make them want $7,000 gadgets and guilt wives into going back to work the day after they give birth while screaming that it’s equality and not just a scheme to get the other 50% of the population paying tax too.

What recession? Don’t know what you’re talking about. Just max out your CC you’ll be fine.
 
The “herd immunity” guy that no one else on the COVID-19 task force respects is resigning.


Call me stupid, but I’ll be buggered if I can come up with a logical explanation for how herd immunity is beneficial when we have vaccines?
I understand how it might have worked hundreds of years ago when the population was much smaller, we were happy to just let folks die in the streets and there really was no other option.

But why on earth would we risk it if we have a solution?

The roll out should be targeted on a first need basis, imo. Elderly, vulnerable and those on the front line need to be prioritised for now.

I’m getting tired of this whole lock down the entire state, no one can work, no one can live we all just need to stay home shit though.
Oh bull.
China just had something like 80 million people over at their place for a festival they have each year. Forgive me, I’ve forgot the name of the festival.
Social distancing and capped gatherings weren’t required. People could freaking dance and drink while standing even (wtf kind of logic is that restriction? AUS GOV IM TALKING TO YOU)
Everyone happily donned their masks, they’ve all got the whole app code thing on their phone that alerts them and informs them of what steps to take next when they’ve come into contact with a positive case. They check temperatures at every opportunity and have rolled out testing capabilities that mean no ones left waiting on a result more than a day and everyone is being tested frequently.
Best thing though? When they have an outbreak now they don’t need to shut down entire cities or states. They’re set up to target hotspots for isolation rapidly so that no one has to miss work unnecessarily and no one has to stay home needlessly.
Meanwhile these half wits in my state shut down 3 million people, over one single case, for 3 days before going ‘o oops, sorry but the guy lied, you can go out now’
That’s great.
3 days loss of wage.
People 600 km away from this one dude who lied had to lock down and for what?
I feel like 600km is next level social distancing 🤔
We could totally be handling this better than we are.
 
Meth novice 79 said:
Apologies for my self entitled rant

Nah, I feel your pain bro.
Nobody likes lock-down.

They've gone way overboard in Australia and NZ, but we're better off than the US and the UK... and most of the other countries. At the end of the day I agree, the Australian government doesn't know it's doing. But, nobody does.

Our governments are like overprotective parents. They're annoying and embarrassing. They cramp our style. We can't go out and play with the other kids in the neighborhood. But, hey, at least our grandparents are still alive.
 
Nah, I feel your pain bro.
Nobody likes lock-down.

They've gone way overboard in Australia and NZ, but we're better off than the US and the UK... and most of the other countries. At the end of the day I agree, the Australian government doesn't know it's doing. But, nobody does.

Our governments are like overprotective parents. They're annoying and embarrassing. They cramp our style. We can't go out and play with the other kids in the neighborhood. But, hey, at least our grandparents are still alive.
Totally agreed, I’m happy to go with the flow when it makes sense.
But it’s kinda not making sense anymore.
So we need to shut down for 6 days because pizza guy caught Covid from a pizza box. Ok. We can do that, even though it turned out pizza guy was doing a whole lot more than just picking up pizza. I’m not even mad.
But then a week later a high school girl actually DOES catch Covid from a pizza box. No lockdown? So what was last week all about?
Oh we are better prepared to handle it now they say.
And you weren’t a week ago?
What you lot been doing for the last 8 months then? 😕

And then there’s all the ‘freedom lovers’ refusing to mask up, refusing to download Covid tracking apps, demanding their freedoms remain in tact.
While being locked down 80% of the time because they don’t want their ‘freedoms’ encroached upon? The bloody irony 😂

Is it obvious I’m quitting smoking btw 😳😂
 
Bro, pizzagate (SA edition) makes watergate look like gamergate.

Pizza shops are serious threats to our humanity!
I swear Aussies are dumb shits 😂

But I do feel bad for pizza guy. He’s gotta be the most hated guy in Aus at this moment, and is facing deportation.
The reason he lied is because he’s been stuck in Aus since Covid started, on a student visa which meant he wasn’t allowed to work, and if he’d chosen to go home to Spain he’d have lost his university position. I’d have taken a cash in hand position too.

Meanwhile, SAPOL has decided it needs a 20 man team of investigators, to work out how this happened?
wtf 😂
 
I have to get it because I work in healthcare, even though there are no cases in the country. I'm a little apprehensive about it for the reasons you mentioned, but I'm not overly concerned. Yes, it has been rushed... but they haven't bypassed the normal process and there haven't been any major complications from vaccines (that I'm aware of) for many decades.

I actually volunteered myself during the second phase of testing, but was ineligible because my partner would have to take birth control for 6 months and we're having another kid soonish. No volunteers have died or had major complications from any of the COVID-19 vaccines that are being rolled out. It is unusual for vaccines to have significant long-term/delayed effects in general, unless you happen to subscribe to all that anti-vax bullshit.

Thanks, that's reassuring. I'm not anti-vax by any stretch of the imagination, they make me facepalm. Especially when they start to spout dumb shit like "polio was eradicated by people washing their hands more, it's only coincidence that it was also right after they vaccinated most of the population".
 
I don't think any argument can be made that the vaccines haven't been rushed in the sense of getting it done much faster than usual.

The only question is, was safety compromised to achieve that goal? Near as I can tell with all the major vaccines, the answers no. To my understanding most of the improved speed is simply because of so much money being thrown at it. Not because important safety tests were skipped.
 
UK gets vaccine next week. They have bought enough to vaccinate 30% of the population.

 
Apparently, swinging is a high risk activity for COVID-19. Who knew?

Swingers' Convention Turns Into Coronavirus Super-Spreader Event As 41 Attendees Test Positive

A swingers' convention in the US turned into a coronavirus super-spreader event, with 41 attendees testing positive for the virus.

The Naughty in Nawlins convention took place in New Orleans last month, with around 300 people attending.

However, despite taking 'extraordinary measures' to prevent the spread of Covid-19, 41 cases were reported in the aftermath of the event, with one person hospitalised as a result.

Sharing a blog post on Friday, organiser Bob Hannaford said he regretted hosting the event.

He said: "We had five people that tested positive on Monday. On Tuesday we got up to 14. On Wednesday we jumped up to 29 cases and by our last count, we have 41 positive tests, out of 300 people.

"Most would consider that a positivity rate of 13 percent, but there's more to a positivity rate. You see, we have no idea how many people got tested after our event, nor if anyone tested positive and didn't tell us.

"There could also be people that are positive, but without symptoms, so they never got tested."

He continued: "If I could go back in time, I would not produce this event again. Even though most of the 41 positive cases have mostly been asymptomatic or very mild cases.

"The reason I wouldn't is that I know of two people who had a tougher time and they were suffering. One of them, a good friend of mine, was hospitalized in serious condition.

"If I thought for one minute that he or anyone would end up in the hospital, I would certainly not have had our event."

Thankfully Bob's friend is out of hospital now, but how this came to be is still baffling to Bob, given the strict measures he put in place.

He said: "We went to extraordinary measures for check-in and instituted a touchless process with required temperature checks, social distancing in line, and sanitizing upon check-in.

"We issued wristbands in one colour to indicate who had antibodies and therefore was not contagious.

"We issued a second colour to those that showed us a very recent negative Covid-19 test. The wristbands even had each person's date of their test circled.

"Over 50 percent of our attendees had the antibodies and many of the rest got tested right before the event. We were feeling better and better about the risk potential as the event was about to kick off.

"We required masks in all public places and told them they would have to wear them in elevators and even in our parties and while up on the rooftop pool."

The US has recorded more than 270,000 coronavirus deaths - more than any other country in the world.

It is feared that Thanksgiving gatherings could cause cases to surge further, leading to more deaths over the festive period.
 
Virus is getting much, much worse around here.

I'm more paranoid now than I have been since the beginning.

Vaccine is nice but not so great when you realize it's going to be six months or more before the idiots who spread the shit will be allowed to get it.
 
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