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birdup.snaildown said:
@novaveritas back-pedalling or poorly written. Nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.
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For the record, I never doubted that, nor your reasoning capabilities.

We just take vastly different views.

Only time, really, can reveal the ultimate truth, at least I hope, and I pray that it doesn't go the way of the wicked whoever they are, who have fabricated this whole mess of an artificial reality we we all born into essentially (in my view.)
 
Something I should point out to those potentially facing lock-down: stock up on your drugs now. You never know how long the lock-down will last and it becomes much more difficult to score without risking a fine. Groceries are allowed. Drugs are not. If you have to travel a long distance to score, it is even more important to stock up.

Do not underestimate how much you will need.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Something I should point out to those potentially facing lock-down: stock up on your drugs now. You never know how long the lock-down will last and it becomes much more difficult to score without risking a fine. Groceries are allowed. Drugs are not. If you have to travel a long distance to score, it is even more important to stock up.

Do not underestimate how much you will need.
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Haha, done that already! My choices are limited due to severe allergies from longterm Lyme. I can't even take basic vitamin supplements,,with just a bare few exceptions.

I'm also severely allergic to all black market weed fertilisers I have tried, since 2005, even organic.

So we (mum and I) simply run our own outdoor autoflowers once annually, with an effective, basic organic soil recipe we finally cracked upon after successive years of trial and disappointment.

I have a cupboard full of kava, quite a few grams of etizolam powder, plus I bought about 1000 clearnet acid trips last year, while the going was good, before Brexit.

I am naturally the type to think ahead lol!

I ate 148 tabs in 12 months to this October, a good 15-20 since- may explain a few things!😉

Besides that (cannabis, acid, kava, etizolam) it's only the occasional cup of black tea or coffee, which should remain easily sourceble I expect.

No other psychoactive herbs I have tried or know of which I can tolerate these years.

Finished my 44 gram kava session tonight. Just heading down for some homemade coconut oil infused weed and a cup of black coffee for energy sake.

Definitely second your suggestion though.
 
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I ate 148 tabs in 12 months to this October, a good 15-20 since- may explain a few things!
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I was going to say earlier - lay off the acid for a while - but I didn't want to offend you. ;)

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I'm also severely allergic to all black market weed fertilisers I have tried, since 2005, even organic.
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If you ever have to go black market again, I suggest water curing.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I was going to say earlier - lay off the acid for a while - but I didn't want to offend you. ;)



If you ever have to go black market again, I suggest water curing.
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Yes good advice. And my skin is pretty thick, I can see you are dead straight and mean only well.

I did actually water cure our own weed in past, when we tried different organic ferts I was very allergic to.

But I'm so extremely sensitive, the water curing did not remove enough of the fertiliser to make it tolerable.

It really is our own stuff or nothing at all, cannabis wise.

My LSD use, actually equates to about 275ug per week on average. So it is substantial yes, but within reasonable margin- effectively an old school 60's microdot once a week, or OG legal chemist pod 1965 until early 1966, standardised at 279ug.

Just for perspective sake.
 
Hey I'm not judging. I'm actually jealous. At the peak of my tripping years, I ate mushrooms every day for over a year. Back then, I probably would have been onboard with you and @novaveritas preaching conspiracies etc.

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It really is our own stuff or nothing at all, cannabis wise.
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That's a good thing. Nothing beats home grown.

novaveritas said:
War on an invisible Gas
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Aren't most gases invisible to the naked eye? ;)
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Hey I'm not judging. I'm actually jealous. At the peak of my tripping years, I ate mushrooms every day for over a year. Back then, I probably would have been onboard with you and @novaveritas preaching conspiracies etc.



That's a good thing. Nothing beats home grown.



Aren't most gases invisible to the naked eye? ;)
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Yeah thanks again mate, I never took you as being judgemental or naysaying, for the record.

However, I will strongly argue, that my belief system, in that regard, is not actually driven by my LSD use. That has always been an inherent part of me.

Until 25 years old (40 now) I knew NOTHING looking back lol.

I mean, I still do, if I'm humble and honest.

But having my life destroyed by what I strongly believe to be a man bioengineered neurological bacterial infection, led me down a path of enquiry and education which opened my eyes fully to the deceit and attack we have all been under since ever.

The man who officially set up and ran Plum Island, the animal disease research centre from which the Borrelia bacteria emerged in the 70's, offshore of Lyme, Conneticutt, was an ex-nazi scientist, recruited after the 2nd world war, whose speciality- was tick-borne illnesses!

Strangely, it really hasn't felt like my heavyish, regular LSD use has harmed my mental faculties, certainly not verbal communicating ability.

Rather the opposite in fact. But I was a born psychonaut, destined to trip lol!

Some people are just better cut for it I believe. Like Ram Dass and Terrence McKenna for example, they went hard for most, maybe all of their adult lives, yet never came unstuck like certain notorious Rock Stars (Syd Barret, Peter Green as a few.)
 
Sorry to hear about your battle with Lyme. Interesting situation with Erich Traub. I'm much more inclined to believe that Lyme disease is man-made than coronavirus, but anything is possible. If COVID was man-made (I am yet to be convinced of this) I don't believe it is a world government conspiracy. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that China manufactured it. The CCP is an evil organization (like the Nazis) and I have no doubt they are capable of doing something like that. I don't believe they did, but it's possible. They have certainly benefited from it relative to other countries around the world.

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Strangely, it really hasn't felt like my heavyish, regular LSD use has harmed my mental faculties, certainly not verbal communicating ability.

Rather the opposite in fact. But I was a born psychonaut, destined to trip lol!

Some people are just better cut for it I believe. Like Ram Dass and Terrence McKenna for example, they went hard for most, maybe all of their adult lives, yet never came unstuck like certain notorious Rock Stars (Syd Barret, Peter Green as a few.)
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Psychs definitely have benefits but (like all drugs) they also have pitfalls. When I was heavily into psych use, I was so confident in the benefits that I failed to see the pitfalls. They opened my eyes to certain things and blinded me to others.

At the end of the day, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything is a give and take; everything comes at a price. It is important to keep this in mind when taking any drug. If you develop a religious attitude towards psychs and/or overindulge they can lead you down dangerous paths.

There are definitely people who can handle more psychs than others, but McKenna went a bit nuts. So did Tim Leary. I'm also 40ish now and, looking back, I think the ideal way to consume any drug is in moderation. Sobriety is the meal. Drugs are a garnish... or perhaps dessert?

I'm 80 days sober and I didn't throw away my stash so I've still got plenty of weed / uppers / downers / acid / shrooms just sitting there waiting for me... and now I'm spending my time talking to people about drugs on BL.

Argh. Why am I torturing myself?!?

I think we're getting off topic. Let's stop talking about drugs. Lyme disease is relevant enough. Let's focus on that. I can't smoke Lyme disease.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
Sorry to hear about your battle with Lyme. Interesting situation with Erich Traub. I'm much more inclined to believe that Lyme disease is man-made than coronavirus, but anything is possible. If COVID was man-made (I am yet to be convinced of this) I don't believe it is a world government conspiracy. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that China manufactured it. The CCP is an evil organization (like the Nazis) and I have no doubt they are capable of doing something like that. I don't believe they did, but it's possible. They have certainly benefited from it relative to other countries around the world.



Psychs definitely have benefits but (like all drugs) they also have pitfalls. When I was heavily into psych use, I was so confident in the benefits that I failed to see the pitfalls. They opened my eyes to certain things and blinded me to others.

At the end of the day, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything is a give and take; everything comes at a price. It is important to keep this in mind when taking any drug. If you develop a religious attitude towards psychs and/or overindulge they can lead you down dangerous paths.

There are definitely people who can handle more psychs than others, but McKenna went a bit nuts. So did Tim Leary. I'm also 40ish now and, looking back, I think the ideal way to consume any drug is in moderation. Sobriety is the meal. Drugs are a garnish... or perhaps dessert?

I'm 80 days sober and I didn't throw away my stash so I've still got plenty of weed / uppers / downers / acid / shrooms just sitting there waiting for me... and now I'm spending my time talking to people about drugs on BL.

Argh. Why am I torturing myself?!?

I think we're getting off topic. Let's stop talking about drugs. Lyme disease is relevant enough. Let's focus on that. I can't smoke Lyme disease.
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You're right, we have wandered. But unusually, It feels like a healthy, lightening detour.

But just to close, a rather unexpected enjoyable and therapeutic to me at this time, discussion I never anticipated between us when today began for me in very sombre mood and dire health condition for a while. Well I'm really glad we found a few common grounds maybe.

Wow you are same ageish! So we have a few things in common certainly. Yes Tim Leary not so with the programme, in my view. But Terrence I felt was more stable and remained his bright, collected self for the most part.

And I hear you on all other points above. I definitely do not ever make a religious thing out of LSD. When I say I am spiritual, it isn't like that. I always somehow stay so firmly rooted in the clear, "empirical", everyday(ish) 3d reality rooted around us when I Trip, however heavy.

I never get drawn into the "universe I am god line, ego gone forever". It's just
It works for me in different ways, it is more for enjoyment, and personal development, which has always been fundamentally most important to me.
I honestly grew up, never aspiring for any particular carreer. I even studied Joint Philosophy and Psychology at beautiful, seaside Wales Swansea in 1999, purely, in truth, for open personal development.

Not with any particular career in mind. Nuts huh?

So I'm always unusually grounded when I trip. Not that my trips don't effect me in an equal sense, it's just more about continued personal development, rather than a thrilling, spectacular light show.

Saying that though- a spontaneous 250ug Pharma grade ALD-52 last weekend was surprisingly one of the most magical trips I've ever had spread over 24 years.

Amazing lysergamide that one. Actually the best, IMO.
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
@novaveritas back-pedalling or poorly written. Nothing wrong with my comprehension skills.
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Dismissing what you don't understand as conspiracy theory or deranged is a weak response and often the refuge of a consensus thinker out of their depth. It is not scientific nor open minded, I understand what you are saying try understanding what I am saying. BTW the time between positive test and death was not the point good attempted deflection though. This is about logic and your comprehension.

second wave..... Over half those deaths assigned as death from COVID are actually deaths with positive coronavirus test, it you check with the ONS you will find that is true. It is then a matter of opinion how many of those are deaths from COVID, and that is the pathological point.

Ducks are birds, all birds have beaks, therefore ducks have beaks. However something with a beak is not always a duck or even a bird.

It could be a Plague Doctor or a Platypus or a Heron.

Got it?

so here lets try again:

Pathologists look at the reported COVID deaths from their point of view and find most of them are deaths INVOLVING coronavirus (usually 28 days out from a test, but 60 days with a mention, big up to corona!, is still allowed) but not deaths DUE to COVID. That is their professional judgement, I could go into why this is a valid but quite extreme opinion but this is not the place.

The Doctors signing death certs look at it and where there is a positive test, write COVID as one underlying cause, because it is the easiest thing to do and it is of no immediate consequence, dead is dead. The UK has no formal threshold for the status change to recovered from coronavirus and then died of something else. The problem is almost all these deaths involve multiple co-morbidities any one of which can and do kill people all on their own, with or without coronavirus.
In the Spring, doctors were signing off on care home death certs without any checking at all, just putting down COVID. because it was allowed.
No conspiracy needed, Doctors are pragmatic people and the rules encouraged assigning COVID as cause of death.

For an extreme example of this look at Belgium. Are you going to tell me that Belgian Doctors conspired to put practically all care home deaths down as COVID? earning themselves the notorious distinction of exceptional mortality rates from COVID. Currently 0.14% of their entire population has supposedly already died from COVID, many many times higher than neighboring countries, Belgium is No 1 in the world. They didn't conspire, the rules encouraged it.
You like numbers, but here the numbers do not stand on their own, they are subject to distortion, they carry nuance and they reflect the criteria and methods used to create them, unlike your simplistic worldview.

Even now in the latest data, the ONS have 13% of COVID deaths as simply involving COVID and not due to COVID, which is likely the tip of the iceberg in many people's view including mine, but not your MSM view, obviously.

Hyperfocus on coronavirus kills people with other diseases, it has already killed people and it will continue to kill people who otherwise should not have died. On balance it seems likely that more QALYs will be lost as a consequence of fighting coronavirus than from corona. Unfortunately we have no control in the experiment. We cannot use the models to determine what would have happened because the models themselves are deeply flawed, they were not inaccurate because of lack of data. they were and still are intrinsically flawed because of some faulty assumptions that were hard wired in. So the truth will have to be dug out retrospectively
 
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Birds have beaks?
I have been living a lie!

I'm pretty much going to stop discussing this with you now.

I will say a couple of final things.

1) Pretty sure ducks are beagles.

B) I never said the death rates were 100% accurate.

III) Patronizing people you are debating with is weak sauce.

4) You have still provided no data that shows suicide rates and other excess deaths outweigh COVID deaths in the majority of countries (or even a single country). I have requested this data repeatedly. Without it, you cannot back up various statements that you have made in which you predict the future. You might be right - as I've said, repeatedly - but currently it is just a prediction and not a fact. Flex your intellectual prowess all you like, at the end of the day you don't know the future... and neither do I.

e) Even if there is a 20% level of inaccuracy with reported rates in certain countries, the deaths from COVID are still very high. It is easily in the top 5 causes of deaths in many countries along with various cancers, heart disease and stroke.

VI) Co-morbidity pretty much applies to everything. You are more likely to die from the flu (or cancer or stroke or the common cold) if you have late stage AIDS. You are more likely to die from COVID if you are sick or old... it is impossible to say that these people would have died at the same moment if they didn't have this disease. Co-morbidity doesn't imply that COVID is not related to cause of death. It simply suggests that these people were more vulnerable to COVID because of their age or disability or other pre-existing condition/s.
 
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Xorkoth said:
Except alcohol, tobacco and caffeine. And weed in American states with recreational and medical systems. And prescriptions.

But yes, good point, for sure. 👍
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Just on this exactly, always in life my forward thinking priority is vital health supplements and remedies I literally could not live without with such severe allergies.

Like oregano oil, vitamin C for example. Cannot afford to be without either.
 
Who should get the vaccine first? Health care workers or high-risk health care workers or seniors (65+) or residents of senior/long-term care facilities or individuals with existing health conditions that put them at risk for COVID complications?
Government agencies are fighting over their recommendations, although ultimately each state will have the right to decide who gets vaccinated.

Divisions emerge among U.S. officials over when first Covid-19 vaccine doses will be available — and for whom​

Divisions are emerging among top U.S. officials over when the country’s first Covid-19 vaccine will be authorized — and who should be at the front of the line to get vaccinated.

Robert Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, and others have suggested vaccination of Americans could begin by the end of next week. In their scenario, the Food and Drug Administration will authorize emergency use of a vaccine developed by Pfizer and BioNTech almost immediately after a Dec. 10 meeting of an advisory committee, which is expected to recommend authorization.

But the head of the FDA center responsible for any such authorization said in a presentation to patient groups last week that it may take several days or even “a few weeks” after the advisory committee meeting before his office gives the vaccine a green light.

“You may have heard in the media that it will be a few days. It’s possible that it could be within days, but our goal is to make sure it is certainly within a few weeks,” said Peter Marks, who heads the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. The remarks by Marks, who did not respond to a request for comment from STAT, were first reported by CNN.

Separately, STAT has learned that senior leaders in the Trump administration’s coronavirus response are pressing for adults 65 years old and older to be given first access to the vaccine. That approach contradicts the position of a committee that advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on vaccine policy; the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices has signaled for months that it will recommend health care providers be at the front of the vaccination line.
The conflicting views risk sending mixed signals to public health authorities at the state level who are racing to try to finalize plans for deploying limited doses of vaccines within, as the administration insists, 24 hours of the vaccines being cleared for use by the FDA. “It’s going to be messy,” said a senior government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices is meeting in an emergency session Tuesday to vote on a recommendation that would enshrine its position on health care providers — and add residents of long-term care facilities to “Phase 1a” of the vaccination priority schedule. Though some members of the committee have expressed concerns about putting long-term care residents in the first group, none has voiced an objection to giving first access to health workers.

José Romero, the committee’s chairman, said all of the analyses the committee has conducted indicate that vaccinating these two groups first provides the best “bang for our buck” when vaccine supplies are limited — as they will be for the first month or two of the vaccine rollout. The U.S. expects to have enough vaccine from Pfizer and Moderna — whose vaccine is expected to be authorized for use a week or so after the Pfizer product — to vaccinate 20 million Americans in December and another 25 million in January.

There are an estimated 21 million people working in health care in the country and roughly 3 million people living in long-term care. As of last week, nearly 230,000 health workers have contracted Covid-19 and 822 have died. The toll among long-term care residents is very high — they make up about 6% of the country’s Covid cases and 39% of deaths, according to CDC data.

“We will protect [health workers], allow them to continue to provide care in an environment where cases are surging and there appears to be no control over the spread,” Romero, secretary of the Arkansas Department of Health, told STAT. “And … the second group, that group of individuals that live in long-term care facilities that have high morbidity and mortality, we can decrease that number significantly when compared to the other groups.”

Earlier this fall, an expert panel established by the National Academy of Medicine also recommended that high-risk health care workers — who are now struggling to cope with a massive increase in cases — should be given access to Covid vaccines first.

The fact that the ACIP is voting on a recommendation at all now is a reversal for the committee, which had previously said it would wait until specific vaccines had been authorized by the FDA before making recommendations on their use.

Operation Warp Speed, the government’s initiative to fast-track development and delivery of vaccines, pressed the group to hold a vote earlier, a source told STAT, so that states — which have the ultimate say on who gets doses — could better determine where to have the first deliveries sent. States have been given until Friday to signal where they want those deliveries to be deployed.

At the same time, HHS Secretary Alex Azar and White House coronavirus task force coordinator Deborah Birx are pushing to have seniors precede health workers in the vaccine rollout schedule, because of the high death rate among older and elderly adults, according to the senior government official.

In an interview with Fox News recently, Redfield also appeared to signal a priority scheme that differs from ACIP’s expected schedule, saying nursing home residents would be first, followed by “some combination of health care providers and individuals at high risk for a poor outcome.”

More than 100 million Americans have health conditions that put them at risk of developing severe disease if they contract Covid-19, the CDC estimates.

STAT asked the White House and HHS for comment on Azar’s and Birx’s positions on vaccine priorities. A White House spokesman deferred to HHS.

“Secretary Azar has insisted that science and data drive the process for vaccines and therapeutic development, and will do so for vaccine allocation and distribution,” an HHS spokesman said. “This means the doctors will make their recommendations, and ultimately the governors will make a determination of what works best for their communities based on input they receive and the circumstances on the ground.”

Including long-term care residents in the first phase of vaccination may satisfy the desire to vaccinate the most vulnerable early in the rollout.

The challenging characteristics of the Pfizer vaccine — it must be stored at -94 Fahrenheit — may also impede any effort to push people 65 and older closer to the front of the line. Most seniors get their health care from primary care physicians, who would not have the ultracold freezers needed to store the Pfizer vaccine. In the case of long-term care facilities, however, Operation Warp Speed has signed contracts with major pharmacy chains to run the vaccination efforts in those locations.

It’s not yet clear how the ACIP will vote on including long-term care residents in the first phase of vaccination. During a discussion at a meeting last week, several members supported the idea. But others raised concerns about the fact there aren’t yet data to indicate how well the first vaccines work in elderly people who are frail.

“I recognize that they have suffered some of the greatest burden. But … we have no efficacy data in this population because it hasn’t been studied,” said Robert Atmar, an infectious diseases professor at Baylor College of Medicine. “We know from flu vaccine studies that this population tends to have less efficacy of flu vaccine compared to other persons.”

Romero said Tuesday’s vote is a critical one for the ACIP.

“In my tenure of now almost seven years on the ACIP, this is the most serious vote that we have ever taken,” Romero said. “They’re all serious, but this one is very, very significant. And we have given a lot of time and thought to this.”

Once the committee votes, the recommendation will go to Redfield, the CDC director. In the history of this committee, the CDC director has only once overruled a recommendation from the ACIP, related to a program to vaccinate health workers against anthrax after the 2001 anthrax attacks.
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Divisions emerge among U.S. officials over when first Covid-19 vaccine doses will be available — and for whom

Divisions are emerging among top U.S. officials over when the country's first Covid-19 vaccine will be authorized — and who should be at the front of the line to get vaccinated.
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cduggles said:
Who should get the vaccine first?
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The only people who should get the vaccine (at all) are those who are vulnerable, or those who are in close contact with people who are vulnerable. I don't see the point in giving everyone the vaccine, unless the intention is to eradicate the virus worldwide which isn't going to happen.
 
I see it as like the flu vaccine,. I think covid is going to become endemic like the flu, you're not going to eradicate it (it was done with smallpox, polio, etc, but those were WAY worse diseases). It will also mutate. They're going to recommend everyone get it, some countries will probably mandate it (not the US though).

I will admit I'm not really eager to be in the first wave of those who get vaccinated. I've gotten a lot of vaccines in my life, mostly as a kid, and I'm fine and healthy, but this has been rushed and it makes me nervous. I sure do want things to go back to normal, though.
 
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