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out of bupe for first time in 2 years,I fear whats coming

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podswell j pods

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I've been on a hefty dose of subutex for around 2 years now,32mg a day,I've weaned down to a 2mg chunk a day over the last week and today I'm down to the last 2 mg for at least 10 days until I can get a refill,I've always managed my meds good but during the last few months its got away from me.Now I'm 10 days short,all I have is some 5mg hydro's,enough to do 25mg a day for the next 10 days,I just don't have much confidence that 25 mg a day of hydro is going to be able to tackle sub withdrawal since sub is so much more subtle and powerful.I'm going to wait until its really hurting to do any hydro,man I hope it will at least bump some of the edge off,I have'nt thought about wd's in so long its bringing back horrible memories of hospitals and mental wards before I got on sub.
 
maybe try Jnana Yoga, it is easy...you just sit there and try not to do anything...you will find we birth our realities, and by thinking so much about the damn mental-hospital, you could very well create that reality again.

every thought that comes can be detained and allowed to then pass, preventing many chains-of-thought that naturally then come. in a situation like this, there will be many thoughts and physical discomfort- BUT -once such powerful fleeting thoughts, feelings, sensations have begun to start stopping, there is a grace, bliss, a euphoria and ecstasy that opioids/opiates only mock, and really cant compare to.

Vairagya is the point at a time like this, and is translated by Wiki P. as "dispassion, detachment, or renunciation, in particular renunciation from the pains and pleasures in the material world"
How To Get Vairagya
1. Hari Om, Sensual pleasure is momentary, deceptive, illusory and imaginary.
2. A mustard of pleasure is mixed with a mountain of pain.
3. Enjoyment cannot bring about satisfaction of a desire. On the contrary it makes the mind more restless after enjoyment through intense craving (Trishnas and Vasanas).
4. Sensual pleasure is an enemy of Brahma-Jnana
5. Sensual pleasure is the cause for birth and death.
6. This body is nothing but a mass of flesh, bone, and all sorts of filth.
7. Place before the mind the fruits of Self-realization or life in the soul or Brahman or the Eternal, such as Immortality, Eternal bliss, Supreme peace and Infinite knowledge. If you remember the seven points always, the mind will be weaned from the cravings for sensual pleasures. Vairagya, Viveka and Mumukshutva (dispassion, discrimination from the real and the unreal, and keen longing for liberation from birth and death) will dawn. You should seriously look into the defects of sensual life (Dosha-Drishti) and into the unreal nature of worldly life (Mithya-Drishti).

Read this once daily as soon as you get up from the bed.
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yes, it really does work, and it did long before drugs and peoples obsession with them began. "Heroin" is a word, Bliss and Euphoria are terms used to describe originally the simple state of being, which we have as it is what we all are...but now Bliss and Euphoria, are terms mostly associated with states of being, while simply and only on drugs, or insane, or hit on the head and maybe a liar.
but no it isnt a lie, find the truth in this and you will as a convenient preemptive result, you find yourself as well.
 
I have a few suggestions:
1. Break the last 2mg you have into the smallest doses possible. That way you'll still have some bupe in your system, even if it's less than what you're used to. That will help exponentially.
2. I know you already said it, but yes. SAVE THE VICODIN until you absolutely need it. Don't take it unless you're literally doubled over in pain.
3. Valerian Root, 5-HTP, Ibuprofen, Melatonin, and chamomile tea are your best friends during opiate withdrawal.
4. Read through the Suboxone/Subutex mega thread... not the general one, but the one that's dedicated completely to withdrawal and success stories. I think it's titled Progress something... idk. But you can go there and know you're not alone, and maybe even find some inspiration from other people's stories too.

Also... well, personally, I'm vehemently against this idea... but I know someone who used meth to get through her withdrawals. Like I said, I'm not a fan of the idea at all, either for obvious or not-so-obvious reasons depending on how you look at it... but still, if that's your thing, I guess you could try it as a last resort method. Even so, I'd stick with the first three suggestions (or a combination of them) first.

And some things to make you feel better:
- You probably won't want to take more than you're supposed to after that. I'm not judging you for taking more than you should have by the way... I did it the past two months too, and definitely paying for it now.
- Speaking of that, just look at it this way... at least you HAVE some hydro. It's better than having absolutely nothing (or only 2 Percocet and 4 Tramadol, like me. lol)
- And, depending on how you go about it, you'll already be through most the withdrawal. If you wanted, you could probably just tought it out and jump off completely. Only if you're ready though obviously.
- Opiate withdrawals are not life threatening. They are uncomfortable, painful, shitty, and have a way of making you feel like you are stuck in your own personal hell, designed specifically for you... but they go away. You won't die. You won't have any brain damage. Your body and mind will return to normal eventually.
- Going off of that, also... think of people who are currently going through hardcore benzo withdrawal (which IS life threatening and can cause lasting damage such as psychosis, seizures, etc.) Or think of cancer patients who are currently going through chemotherapy. Or any situation that's shittier than yours. It might help to put things into perspective a little bit, knowing that there are people out there suffering right alongside you, except worse.
- Keep in mind that bupe has a 32 hour half life. So in reality, it won't be 10 days of horrible withdrawal... only seven.

I don't know if any of that helped or not, but hopefully it did. Good luck. :)
 
Ok so huh. This could be a really simple solution or maybe not.

But if you were putting the sub under your tounge, then just start plugging what you have left. It will be 4x as strong so just do the math you will get 4x as much time from the same amount.

G/luck and let us know.
 
dam bro your gonna be in some serious hurt... luckily sub wd doesnt really kick in till day 4 or 5... Honestly you might just wanna try quitting if your gonna go 10 days without it good luck
 
Fuucck man sub wds really are rough though I don't care what anyone says. The shit is so consistent and so prolonged that even trying to stop at 1mg for me was impossible. Was back on that shit before the syndrome even hit its peak lol. Then had to taper down much much lower.

Loperamide I've tried before when I've been in jams and it definitely helps but I noticed when I take it for higher doses like yours I get bloated as fuck from it. And it also gives me horrible headaches just a shitty stuffed type of feeling all around. Who knows though some people have luck with it.

Still I think your best bet is finding a way to raise the BA of your administration. Going from sublingual to intranasal for me is like 130% in strength and going from sublingual to plugging is like 350% the strength. So hopefully if you're taking it by mouth this can help you a lot if you just shove smaller doses up your rectum. Poppies can also be of use too especially being as though they are in season. And theres countless other things you can do too to help you out of wds but it sucks that I can't really mention them on this forum. It would be sourcing but for an addict in wds it would be a way of legally getting meds to you fast. You are allowed to do this with certain meds in US I won't mention anything related to where or how but think outside the box sometimes its much more obvious than people understand.

Just realize though in america state laws vary on different less controlled medicines (say clonidine or tramadol for instance). And fuck I can't really say much more than that but it creates a gray area in the law where you can basically prescribe yourself specific meds anytime you want using a medium I will not mention as I think thats when it becomes sourcing to BL.
 
I ran into a similar problem - I had 3x N8 Subs (8mg) to get me off a almost-year habit of snorting oxymorphone, oxycodone, etc.

I put myself into W/D, waited 2 days till it was horrible, then broke up 4mg into .5mg lines. I would blow one .5mg line every 24-36 hours, as I could feel w/ds set in.

It's not ideal, but it beats cold turkey w/ds.

Good luck.
 
all good suggestions thanks,to be a little clearer on my present situation,I don't plan on going off sub I'm out for 10 days,I have enough hydro to do up to 25 to 30mg a day using CWE of course,though I've never done full blown wd from sub I have taken other pain meds on top of the sub and could feel it,poppys are a no no for me since thats what got me on the sub anyway and also poppys can't be had here anymore at least not for what they're worth,I have 90 5mg hydros to last 10 days,I was kinda thinking it won't be that damn bad but its been a long time so I wonder....................
btw I always insuf the sub,never done it any other way,also a little weed is in order and is somthing I have not done in years,I've used dxm in the past for wd's but thats how I ended up in the mental ward so no more dxm,it takes at least 4th plateau for dxm to do its magic for opiate wd's but it does work but has its price,I suppose just to post over the next 10 days the phases will make an interesting but not spectacular read,thanks everyone
 
I don't really have any more advice to give (and it sounds like you have a solid plan) but wanted to say good luck, and keep talking to us! Getting it all out can really help, especially talking to people who have walked the same path and know what you are going through <3
 
readin the headline first, i thought you were gonna say that you are out of subs and thats it...but youre only out for 10 days then you get more. so what are you so worried about? but anyway, ya i dont care what anyone says sub withdrawals suck. i have been on them for over 2 years now. when i got sent to detox, then a womens recovery house, i was without subs completely, goin cold turkey because my parents wouldnt give me anymore suboxone at the time. i was on 21/2 8mg/day. i felt withdrawal everyday for months. and it sucked...i eventually went back to using cause i couldnt handle it. but i was going cold turkey off sub, no taper at all, my withdrawals lasted more than 3 months...idunno why they lasted so long, i thought it took weeks at most. but fuck that. im back on subs now and i do fear not having them again because i still can remember what that felt like and i never wanna feel that way ever again.
 
Hey there,

I just found this thread while checking my one and only Progress thread and thought to leave my 2 cents.


I know talking about the past wouldn't really change things but just for more understanding, current and future: Why take 32 mg for 2 long years
knowing it's a crazy-ass dose? With 2 or even 0.5 mg when the body adapts, you'll get more or less the same effects, because you're not getting "high" anymore.

Anyways, let me tell u a lil bit about my story so you can feel good and empowered about your case. You're saying that you got on 2 years of Subs
because of Pods. Well i got on subs for 13 months because of 10 years of daily Heroin, and i'v been on my last 8mg of Subutex for the past 2 weeks and
been tapering for some time now. Almost 1 month ago, i started taking 0.5/daily then down to 0.2, 0.3 mg and will make it one tiny line every other day
before i say my final bye bye.

As suggested above, why not divide what u have on the remaining days, yes it will be somehow lower than your usual dose but it will still be much much
better than just cold turkeying it.

A few months ago when i was still on 2 mg, i was locked up for 6 days/5 nights for DUI till i found someone to come bail me out. I told the doc there about
my case, they didn't have any Bupes but gave me Clonadine and Librium and i was very much ok that i didn't even think about the Wd's.

Since you're going back in 10 days, well, 9 days now :D, there's really nothing to fear man. The longer half-life will keep the Subs in your body for some time.

I hope you get through those few days, and again as stated above, you wont die and the Wd's are nowhere near Full agonists in intensity. A real walk in the park,
just a longer than usual walk, but again you'll be back on them soon.

Just an advice, if you don't want to take this opportunity to quit altogether, be smart and lower you dose once you're on them again and you'll see the
differences yourself. 2 years are a long time, and if you don't want to live all your life medicated, start to think about your exit plan soon. No1 will ever
take this decision for you, definitely not your Dr. who was ok enough for putting you on the Subs for 2 years with 32 mgs/a day after a problem with Pods!

Again, you're the decider but don't forget the beauty of the sober life, and by sober i mean including smoking weed in my case. Check my posts in the Progress thread where i shared my experience and progress.

Good luck man
 
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last night I downed 25mg hydro and did get relief albeit short lived,I'm going to hold onto 2mg sub for as long as I can/bait and switch for as long as I can trying to fool the old noodle,the ope convesion chart compares 2mg sub to 50 mg hydro but the hydro having very short half life.
My memories of my last detox are horrific puting it lightly,I had to ct after being in a severe car accident breaking ribs,neck fracture and chest wall contusion so I was in grusome pain on top of kicking,the meds they gave me didn't even touch it,If I could have moved I would have tried to do somthing about it,I remember demonic halucinations,terrible parinoid delusion and constant biting pain,if I would have had a gun I would have perhaps shot myself,it was bad but its all bad,and it can get worse,I'm going to tough out these 10 days best I can,readers probably think I'm nuts as its only 10 days,but I do believe I'll be okay,might have to do some street lady if it gets to the point it got to last time around.I'll keep on posting,thanks again for all the suggestions,it keeps a positive spin on life
 
podswell j pods said:
last night I downed 25mg hydro and did get relief albeit short lived,I'm going to hold onto 2mg sub for as long as I can/bait and switch for as long as I can trying to fool the old noodle,the ope convesion chart compares 2mg sub to 50 mg hydro but the hydro having very short half life.
My memories of my last detox are horrific puting it lightly,I had to ct after being in a severe car accident breaking ribs,neck fracture and chest wall contusion so I was in grusome pain on top of kicking,the meds they gave me didn't even touch it,If I could have moved I would have tried to do somthing about it,I remember demonic halucinations,terrible parinoid delusion and constant biting pain,if I would have had a gun I would have perhaps shot myself,it was bad but its all bad,and it can get worse,I'm going to tough out these 10 days best I can,readers probably think I'm nuts as its only 10 days,but I do believe I'll be okay,might have to do some street lady if it gets to the point it got to last time around.I'll keep on posting,thanks again for all the suggestions,it keeps a positive spin on life
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It's fantastic to hear you having such a positive attitude :) you've done this before, you can do it again - and this time you don't have the added physical pain of all the broken bones.. keep us updated and keep thinking positively, you can do this <3
 
10 days of w/d is rather hellish...

im stuck with some chronic-pain-issues myself, and yessir i recall very well looking at my phones calender, seeing 8 days...holy shit i remember that moment. pain is triple fold once the opioids start wearing off too. for fucks sake i remember standing not far from where i am sitting, stricken and knowing the damn pills only scrapped the actual pain, and here i am about to piss myself, in withdrawal and crazy ass slap-back pain. i had no choice but to laugh...at the time i could not rationalize the idea and so could not accept karma, although i felt very strongly that i had come all this way, and i am not going to pop myself off now - a rather frustrating idealism with certain cards laid - but with a straight-flush thats all you learn; to win and walk away..HAH..there is nothing to that, you are then spent, much more so then those still in the game are.

a positive spin on life indeed -
imagine though, maybe we only allow a negative spin,
or rather allow it to continue.
 
I feel for ya bro, I'm gearing towards a sub kick shortly (Down to 2mg daily insufflated 1mg morning 1mg night).

People were always like oh well subb pssshhht.... but it hurts... and for weeks.

I'm not sure I understood your dosage/s and how long you tapered for, but if you can get by on 2-4mg a day.... could it be time to quit for real??? Use the hydros sparingly 10-15mg at a time when it hurts a lot or before bed, ride those for 10 days then kick. That will be a fast taper with a short acter, your w/d will be shorter and about the same intensity if not less. Although if you've been on hellish doses of sub 32mg!? for a long time then you need a loooooong taper (and a new doctor who cares) before you can think about it. As someone said though, The sub w/d doesn't really sink in till' day 2-3 so hold tigh... best of luck.
 
well I thought right now would be a good bluelight breif,I took about 600mg of dxm(just dxm)about 2 hours ago and I've been feeling incredible even tho there's this part of me thats in wd,it has totally killed all the annoying pain in my arms and legs and sorta turned the "getting the shits"feeling into butterflies,when i peaked i coyuld'nt realize if i was breathing or not(could not feel the sensation of breathing)its been at least a year since ive touch dxm and im pain free but wacked out of my mind at the moment,lovely thing it is
 
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