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Clusterone666

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experiences, how do you do them sober? I've tried meditating, i've tried lucid dreaming. I just don't know how to be able to do it. I want to be able to free my mind without psychedelics, I want to be able to reach that void of non-reality. How do I do this?
What are some ways that I could meditate to achieve this, and or ego-death.
I love ego-death, i feel so free, and yet so perfect. I want to be able to achieve this experience without the use of drugs, so when i'm on a psych, i can control it too.
Thank you.
 
i was gonna say dmt, but idk sober.

what is, and how do you do this 'ego-death'??
i have never tried meditating, but would love to try. just sit n clear my mind? how would you do ego-death?
 
ch1nawhite said:
i was gonna say dmt, but idk sober.

what is, and how do you do this 'ego-death'??
i have never tried meditating, but would love to try. just sit n clear my mind? how would you do ego-death?
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I love DMT, i love psychedelics, i'm just talking about the time's when i have nothing to experience this with, and I'm not quite sure i've tried a couple different types of meditating and i can't seem to do what people say they feel/do or anything like that.
And ego death? not do sorry i meant achieve it. I've achieved it on a couple substances I just want to be able to sober. You know?
 
You can simulate the effects of dissociatives by using sensory deprivation, one thing that seems to work is floatation chambers although they are not always as accessible for everyone. I have been in one of those and it does help to facilitate OBE's.

When there is a lack of external output you naturally go look for it inside, for that to go into a sort of stationary position practice with meditation is needed. If you know how to meditate and use a floatation tank then an OBE is achievable but a total ego death would require doing it for a long time until you finally break or surrender. It's also something weird in the sense that you won't really get it as long as you are looking for it. You need to try and achieve the opposite: not wanting anything, not looking for anything. If you deprive yourself of external stimuli and make the want for any other stimulus also die down then your sense of self will eventually die down because it is only a reflection of other processes.

Instead of a sensory deprivation tank something like a Mindfold mask combined with a steady lotus position can help do the same.
A mindfold mask sits comfortably on your face but does not let any light through whatsoever. For sound you can use ear plugs.
Another point of the floatation tank is that your body floats stationary, there is no movement and no effort to stay in the position either. Lying down and relaxing completely may SEEM like the best alternative for floating on top of a magnesium salt solution (like in the tanks) but in fact a lotus position is even better. It can give you complete support of your upright spine if you do it well, but it takes quite a lot of practice and can be very shitty when you first start trying it.

In my experience the lotus position is the single most sustainable position there is, more so than laying down. It's hard to explain...

Lying down is not all too bad though, I don't know if you ever tried it but relaxing every single muscle in your body laying down it can feel like you start floating in the air or fall slowly through your bed/couch. Without any change in input your proprioception / sense of orientation and spatial movement starts grasping at random hallucinated movement and if you keep it up you can lose your bodily feeling altogether. It's basic desensitization.
 
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Practice deep, controlled breathing. Think about your body from your toes to the tips of your fingers & deliberately relax each part of your body as you work up. Try this combined with sensory deprivation (ie eye patches & ear-plugs) if the deep breathing doesnt work.

A guru of meditation (I think I read this in E for Ecstacy or one of the other Saunders books) described ecstacy & it's related compounds as a "short-cut" to Nirvana. To a degree I support this concept... But I think people who are able to trip themselves out have ultimately more satisfying, sprirtual trips on psychedelics & entactogens. In other words, if one is able to successfully meditate into a trance, one is already closer to that point before any chemical is introduced.

I've had numerous out-of-body experiences & some of them have been either due to exhaustion, illness or due to meditation. Some even from zoning out watching TV. I am into my 40's & although I've been able to meditate successfully since my 20's it's only recently that I've reached states where I am totally unaware of my body, without much effort.

Training & time is what it takes. Start with the deep breathing, really get into it & take your time, deepening your breaths & increasing the space between breathing... If you find yourself in even a slightly relaxed state, you're moving in the right direction. You can ratchet the experience up with decreased sensory input but this wont really work on it's own, you gotta try the breathing first & once you've got the hang of that, add in the eye-pads ear-plugs.

Well mixed, long, trancey dance music mixes over headphones, in a dark room are equally effective but obviously the music will draw your attention & alter the direction of your travels. But it IS a good way to start :)

E n j o y !
 
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Solipsis said:
In my experience the lotus position is the single most sustainable position there is, more so than laying down. It's hard to explain...
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Ah yes, I forgot about the sitting position but I think this best used in more advanced stages of practice... Laying down is probably best for starting out, don't you think?

I recently had a superbly pleasant trip on mxe & I spent a fair amount of it in the lotus position. On the mxe I found the postition easier to maintain for longer periods, interestingly!
 
You're pretty much right, the lotus position is more important in later / advanced stages of meditation, of letting go but you will not get it right if you don't practice it - so you might as well use it if you plan on getting really deep.

We were talking sober though.

Ego death can happen with psychedelics / dissociatives in pretty much any body position although it is easier when you lie down or sit in lotus. Dissociatives disconnect you from your body feelings which is why you can maintain positions longer. If the position is awkward though you might get very crampy after the drug wears off.
The same as when you use up a lot of energy when high on a stimulant you get extra tired later on.
 
tBirdee said:
I think it is very possible with proper teaching/learning, method and practice.
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yes'm.

Erm - have a friend strangle you, then bring you back within 2 minutes with the kiss of life??

THat would be the quick way to see if it's possible... with a 50/50 chance of having one haha.

Other than that, astral projection - wow...DO some research bro.

THis would be better suited in P & S imo.
 
There's a method that is 'easy' to do but hard at the same time. What you do is set your alarm to wake yourself up a few hours before normal. Make your self wake up and take a shower, or stay up for half an hour to an hour, then go back to bed. What will happen is your body will fall back asleep but you keep your mind awake. You can repeat a mantra like 'mind awake, body asleep' as you breath in and out.

If you pull it off you can experience your body falling back asleep and your mind will split into two points of awareness. It's the most amazing feeling as your dream body separates and you will be aware of it the whole time then you can fly away. The weird thing is when you do it you will recognize that its a natural process that happens when you fall asleep but you are just not aware of it usually. Doing energy work when you go back to bed will help you have a 'sharper' and more focussed OBE
 
Solipsis said:
You're pretty much right, the lotus position is more important in later / advanced stages of meditation, of letting go but you will not get it right if you don't practice it - so you might as well use it if you plan on getting really deep.

We were talking sober though.

Ego death can happen with psychedelics / dissociatives in pretty much any body position although it is easier when you lie down or sit in lotus. Dissociatives disconnect you from your body feelings which is why you can maintain positions longer. If the position is awkward though you might get very crampy after the drug wears off.
The same as when you use up a lot of energy when high on a stimulant you get extra tired later on.
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Agreed, I was just using the mxe experience as an example... I'm extremely fit, & very supple so the extended position didnt cause me any discomfort afterwards, just seemed to help make me maintain the position for longer, & distract me from the "real" world.
 
The one time I had an OBE was on shrooms at my friends house. OMG. We ate 2 slices of pizza covered, literally covered. And later, BAM. It feels as if I am in my body, but my brain is not. It got to the point where I was tripping the fuck out so hard, I just like collapsed and didnt move. The feeling of you brain being in another room is something else. Lol and my friend started to cry cuz he was trippin to hard. Good times, i guess...
 
speak to the Monks, Zens, Tao's. they live pure and can no doubt induce some natural out of body kinda feelings. levitation?
 
This thread has some great information. To the original poster; Good luck trying to achieve what you can without the use of the instruments. I have been practicing since January of 2010 after my spiritual awakening and have yet to achieve what i could under psychedelic substances. I will have to agree however, that the lotus position is very effective as it helps awaken the Kundalini energy snakes from your tail bone and up the spine into the head.

I understand the DMT works very well. Small dose first, meditation in the lotus position, and begin to dance and sway your arms in a continuous rhythm. The point is to reach some sort of orgasmic feeling while balancing a breath dance as well. Before you reach your climax and have focused all of your energy, you will be surprised where you may find yourself in. It truly is one magnificent instrument for meditation and inter dimensional exploration.

It works differently for everyone... I believe it might have to do with each individuals DNA. Try racing your heart and get your blood bumping with jumping jacks and stretches. Remember, intent is a key factor too.
 
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