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Other FLY's (than those that are brominated)

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blowjay

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Most people are familiar with 2C-B-FLY and bromo-dragonfly but there are almost no mentions of the other fly's. I am curious as to why these haven't been explored more and would like to hear any sorts of guesses towards activity. My understanding is that they are all be strongly similar to the 2C and DO counterparts (as would obviously be expected) but have different side effects.

Why didn't 2C-B-FLY gain more popularity and why haven't the other FLY's received more attention? Are these inferior to 2C's? I would guess that maybe difficulty in synthesis would be part of the reason these are largely unknown but that still doesn't explain 2C-B-FLY and bromo hitting the market without the others.

Any help is appreciated, I would think that the chloro and methyl FLY's would hold interest in many people.

Another not-too-related question I was thinking about was: what would happen activity wise if someone consumed unsubstituted dragonfly or unsubstituted dimethoxyamphetamine? There isn't much to go on with DMA except that it is a stimulant but qualitative data is very limited. Are cardiovascular side-effects too heavy for those families and if so why?
 
Trip reports would be great as well, can't find much of anything about these things.
 
Well 2C-D-Fly, DOM-Fly and TFM-Fly are all known at least, they are mentioned in Michael Braden's thesis, and a couple of papers by Nichols. But I've never heard of them being sold or bioassayed. These are quite a bit more difficult to make than the regular 2Cs, and with bromo-dragonfly because its so super potent this kind of makes up for it, but with 2C-B-Fly its only slightly more potent than regular 2C-B so even though its generally agreed to be a nicer high, few people ever bother making it.

And the bromo compounds are easier to make than the others too, which is why you never really hear of any compounds from this series aside from bromo-dragonfly, DOB-Fly or 2C-B-Fly. Though I've heard rumors of other compounds like 2C-C-Fly and even 2C-T-7-Fly being made there doesn't seem to be any proof of this anywhere, and similarly while there are companies online with TFM-Fly listed for sale, I've never heard of anyone managing to buy any off them.
 
2c-b-fly was an interesting one, though not vastly different than its parent compound aside from the extra few hour duration and doubled potency. There is a whole world of these flied, hemiflied as well as 6-membered cyclic ether homologues out to try if one wants to give a shot at making them. The half fly, half oxane compounds should be active as well.
 
If you feel like adding anything more to this I would be happy to read it, these guys are all pretty much unknown and if anyone has any firsthand experience I would be very happy to read.
 
Post above was directed to nuke but anyone who has anything fun to say can say it.
 
2C-B-Fly isn't any better than 2C-B, it's harder and more expensive to make, and since some laboratories have a hard time when it comes to accidentally mislabeling fly and dragonfly compounds, it's hardly worth the risk and expense to "bring it to the scene".

2C-B is probably better, and although illegal almost everywhere, is not that hard to find if you really want to find it.

2C-x psychedelics aren't that good to begin with, and fly/dragonfly versions tend to be more dangerous and not nescessarily even more recreational. Why bother?
 
bluedolphin said:
2C-B-Fly isn't any better than 2C-B, it's harder and more expensive to make, and since some laboratories have a hard time when it comes to accidentally mislabeling fly and dragonfly compounds, it's hardly worth the risk and expense to "bring it to the scene".

2C-B is probably better, and although illegal almost everywhere, is not that hard to find if you really want to find it.

2C-x psychedelics aren't that good to begin with, and fly/dragonfly versions tend to be more dangerous and not nescessarily even more recreational. Why bother?
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Because the fly's aren't necessarily more dangerous and the 2c-x's are good for some of us. Obviously 2c-x are hugely popular and I don't think it has only to do with price and availability, I personally would take 2c-e over LSD any day. Remember that your opinion doesn't isn't the same as everyone else'...
 
most of the papers cant be posted cuz there synthesis papers
theres a bunch of fly related compounds theres fly,semifly,dflys,bflys,b-semiflys,ifly,ply,butterfly,hemifly.
Id like to see tcb2 in fly form
 
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IamMe90 said:
Because the fly's aren't necessarily more dangerous and the 2c-x's are good for some of us. Obviously 2c-x are hugely popular and I don't think it has only to do with price and availability, I personally would take 2c-e over LSD any day. Remember that your opinion doesn't isn't the same as everyone else'...
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I hugely disagree. On psychedelic terms 2c-e is much more recreational than LSD and pretty boring to be honest, the visuals I get off 2c-e are just repetitions. The nBOMEs are shaping up to be good however and I'm hoping that once they are experimented with a bit more they can overshadow 2cs, I would hate to give someone a 2c for their first trip. I took 2c-p after taking acid twice and found it carried so many more side effects and that was only 10mg oral not to say I didn't enjoy it as I loved it but I would much rather introduce someone with LSD/Shrooms than the 2cs. The likes of 2c-e also carry massive nausea for many, although I understand this also depends on RoA.

I'm pretty sure the popularity of the 2cs was due to their legal status - notice they don't have as big a presence in Europe. Acid and other psychedelics are much more closed off groups compared to MDMA for example. So for many 2cs were the only options for those keen to have a psychedelic experience. I would go as far to say as your opinion is probably a minority. Also the 2cs are extremely cheap in comparison to acid in smaller quantities and larger - ideal for many.
 
this is a really interesting topic. I wonder if most of the -fly chems share the characteristic of being longer and more potent.
 
Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but this paper discusses some other Fly and Dragonfly variants. Also discusses the receptor affinities of these different compounds. Looks very interesting. Looks like these compounds appear to be more selective for 5HT2C than 5HT2A which appears to be the inverse of simple DOx compounds (which appear to be more selective for 5HT2A than 5HT2C).

http://bitnest.ca/external.php?id=%7DbxUgZ%5BC%40X%04tz%7B%0D%04%1E
 
I'm hoping more 2c-x-fly chemicals start making rounds after the big 2c-x ban goes through.
 
clubberdude said:
Looks like these compounds appear to be more selective for 5HT2C than 5HT2A which appears to be the inverse of simple DOx compounds (which appear to be more selective for 5HT2A than 5HT2C).
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Great link. :)
Now, the simple halogenated and alkylated 2Cs have a similar ratio of 5ht2a to 5ht2c affinity, suggesting that 5ht2c agonism is not necessarily the 'kiss of death' (though the utterly ugly feel of substituted piperazines suggests that it really sucks without 5ht2a agonism). I wonder, though, how the increased EC50 and adrenergic agonism of alpha-methylation affects the subjective feel of mixed 5ht2a/5ht2c agonists...

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