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chef96

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Anyone have these symptoms after swallowing crystal?
My blood pressure is super high, heart rate is super high-those of course should be normal from doing meth.. But what concerns me is, my chest begins to hurt. And it's not a little it's so bad that I feel like I'm having a heart attack. It will feel like this for hours. As I lay there, I can feel my heart rate go back to normal, but my blood pressure I feel is still through the roof and the center of my chest where my heart is hurts bad. Like a sharp deep pain. It will hurt like this for days even a week after ingestion. First time it happened was a month ago, I ended up going to the ER because I thought I was having a heart attack. They did an ekg and didn't find anything. I didn't tell them I ingested meth.
I usually smoke it. Smoking it doesn't do this. It actually doesn't do much to me. I'll go to sleep an hour or two after smoking. But this is the second time I've ingested it, and it's done this both times. Two different batches from two different people from States away. I'm not taking much either. Maybe a quarter or third of a pinky nail. I used to do pseudo meth years ago never did this P2P crystal stuff, never ever had problems like this, also would be high all day long off the psedo meth.
Anyone have this happen to them?
 
chef96 said:
Anyone have these symptoms after swallowing crystal?
My blood pressure is super high, heart rate is super high-those of course should be normal from doing meth.. But what concerns me is, my chest begins to hurt. And it's not a little it's so bad that I feel like I'm having a heart attack. It will feel like this for hours. As I lay there, I can feel my heart rate go back to normal, but my blood pressure I feel is still through the roof and the center of my chest where my heart is hurts bad. Like a sharp deep pain. It will hurt like this for days even a week after ingestion. First time it happened was a month ago, I ended up going to the ER because I thought I was having a heart attack. They did an ekg and didn't find anything. I didn't tell them I ingested meth.
I usually smoke it. Smoking it doesn't do this. It actually doesn't do much to me. I'll go to sleep an hour or two after smoking. But this is the second time I've ingested it, and it's done this both times. Two different batches from two different people from States away. I'm not taking much either. Maybe a quarter or third of a pinky nail. I used to do pseudo meth years ago never did this P2P crystal stuff, never ever had problems like this, also would be high all day long off the psedo meth.
Anyone have this happen to them?
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Did you used to take pseudo meth orally? And no problems?

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
Ya it seems the meth of today may be contaminated with impurities like butylamphetamine which could possibly alter the overall experience. And not for the better..

-GC
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What is butylamphetamine?
 
Yeah whatever it is, it's not good. I'm just looking for maybe a nice quick rush, nice long energy, and the ability to be collective and get crap done. None of the stuff I've found has been able to do any of that. Even smoking this stuff it gives a feeling that I don't like, but its very short lived. No energy at all. Nothing like when I used to cook Pseudo meth. That stuff was the bomb. Would really like to get my hands on some or at least some pills and I'll make it myself
 
This definitely sounds like a severe anxiety attack, I have this problem, the solution for me is the prescription anti depressant Escitalopram and the prescription anti psychotic medicine Seroquel, both of my parents have heart disease/have had heart attacks and they said you don't feel pain in your heart muscle when you have a heart attack, it's more like you can't fill your lungs with air (look at a heart attack symptom checklist) Anxiety can also cause shortness of breath, especially if your scared of a heart attack (it's kinda like a placebo fear) Anxiety attacks tend to be caused by your thoughts (for example thoughts that are stressful) and Anxiety attacks tend to raise your blood pressure, the main problem high blood pressure can cause is a Stroke (im capitalising these to make sure you noticed what I said) Anyways, at a young age your not in danger, the average life expectancy of a meth user is 38 years IIRC which is pretty short, Anyways quit asking tweakers for psychiatric/medical advice instead of a doctor. Yes a side effect of meth use is Anxiety attacks (and they can be so severe you get hospitalized at that!) I remember one time when I was a meth addict I swallowed like 30 5 mg tabs and ended up in the mental hospitals, which was extremely dangerous, but I don't have heart damage and the doctor checked my heart out and found out its healthy! I'm glad I quit meth, that stuffs a life ruiner

TLDR: Being scared of heart attacks causes anxiety attacks, Your mind racing about scary stuff/paranoia/heart attacks causes Anxiety attacks (thats what my doctor told me!) and Meth causes your mind to race about scary paranoia heart attack crap AND DON'T TAKE BENZODIAZEPINES CAUSE I SAID THIS THAT CAN BE DEADLY MEDITATE INSTEAD and I'm sure your anxiety will go away, if not see a therapist, that's what they're for!


Edit: Heart attacks are caused by a clogged artery, Meth causes Heart failure, not heart attacks
 
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Heart attack feels like your heart is being stepped on (you feel "tightness", as if an elephant is putting pressure on your chest) and pain travels through your neck, left arm, etc. In panic attack you feel a sharp pain (as if someone is pinching your heart with a needle) and the pain is more localized (in a heart attack, the pain is usually not localized and travels through other parts of body).

Do not do meth unless you have a benzo or beta-blockers nearby. I always dose low-dose 20 mg propranolol before my oral meth (which is always low dose, around 23 mg). This helps me weed out the anxiety that sometimes comes along.
 
I'm going to suggest 'butylamphetamine' is most likely:

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2-Methylamino-1-phenylbutane

2-Methylamino-1-phenylbutane | C11H17N | CID 551747 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
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Above is also the likely synthesis. While PMK is a controlled precursor, PEK is not. The reason is that when the chain of amphetamine (alpha methyl phenylethylamine) is lengthened to aephetamine (alpha ethyl phenylethylamine) the product has almost no DAT activity. It's more or less a selective to NET so no euphoric, just increases levels of adrenaline and produces nasty effects.

There are other possible positional isomers, in fact I've previously mentioned them but they all result in 4 isomers rather than 2 so unless one is prepared to lose 75% of the product to get to the 'good' isomer, it's not very likely.

People could sell PEK as PMK, mix the two or just label PEK as PMK. It's a subtle change and not on that the average Mexican 'cook' is going to notice. The smell would be a give-away, I suspect.

But it's not like it hasn't been explored. It's just not been adopted because it produces junk.
 
chef96 said:
Anyone have these symptoms after swallowing crystal?
My blood pressure is super high, heart rate is super high-those of course should be normal from doing meth.. But what concerns me is, my chest begins to hurt. And it's not a little it's so bad that I feel like I'm having a heart attack. It will feel like this for hours. As I lay there, I can feel my heart rate go back to normal, but my blood pressure I feel is still through the roof and the center of my chest where my heart is hurts bad. Like a sharp deep pain. It will hurt like this for days even a week after ingestion. First time it happened was a month ago, I ended up going to the ER because I thought I was having a heart attack. They did an ekg and didn't find anything. I didn't tell them I ingested meth.
I usually smoke it. Smoking it doesn't do this. It actually doesn't do much to me. I'll go to sleep an hour or two after smoking. But this is the second time I've ingested it, and it's done this both times. Two different batches from two different people from States away. I'm not taking much either. Maybe a quarter or third of a pinky nail. I used to do pseudo meth years ago never did this P2P crystal stuff, never ever had problems like this, also would be high all day long off the psedo meth.
Anyone have this happen to them?
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G_Chem said:
A poorly understood impurity present in much of the Mexican p2p meth made today. Based on the little we know, it’s possible it could be negating some of the meths effects.

-GC
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I know it is used as a reference chemical in GCMS.

The literature identifies it as being a known impurity of Nitrostyrene based P2P synthesis (because of butylamine)

However, it is identified as "low" levels, and known since 2015.

I would caution you to weigh your dose.

Smoking meth may only result in a 20mg dose.

The size you described could be 50-100mg and you have become sensitized to the sympathomimetic effects of meth AT THAT DOSE.

Look up sensitization. It's not reverse tolerance, it is your body and brain being taught over time to react a certain way (in some people, at some dose -LARGER THAN YOU ARE USED TO).

It is a fine line dose wise between feeling good, and vasoconstrictive hell.

I highly doubt it is some low level impurity that has been used to TRACK METH MANUFACTURING since 2015.
 
I'm pretty sure a 'unique impurity' was spotted in Russian-made BMK and it was para-tert-butyl BMK. My only suggestion for that was the BMK synthesis proceeding via a Grignard using phenylacetonitrile and MTBE being the solvent. If their was trace tert butyl alcohol... that could react with the Cl-... or something!

MTBE is used to increase the octane-rating of gasoline but I have noted that it turns up as a solvent in quite a few Russian papers and patents where one might more rightly expect diethyl ether or THF. Why the Russians use it I do not know. My suspicion is cost.
 
AlsoTapered said:
I'm pretty sure a 'unique impurity' was spotted in Russian-made BMK and it was para-tert-butyl BMK. My only suggestion for that was the BMK synthesis proceeding via a Grignard using phenylacetonitrile and MTBE being the solvent. If their was trace tert butyl alcohol... that could react with the Cl-... or something!

MTBE is used to increase the octane-rating of gasoline but I have noted that it turns up as a solvent in quite a few Russian papers and patents where one might more rightly expect diethyl ether or THF. Why the Russians use it I do not know. My suspicion is cost.
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I found a paper that clearly indicates butyl-amphetamine and cyclohexyl-amphetamine depending on whether butylamine or cyclohexamine was used in the synthesis.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

A review of the newly identified impurity profiles in methamphetamine seizures

Forensic intelligence of synthetic illicit drugs suffers a problem of continuous introduction of new synthetic methods, modification of the existing routes of manufacture, and adulterations practiced by criminal networks. Impurity profiling has been indispensable ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Interesting way to telescope the synthesis. Just leave the n-butylamine or cyclohexylamine catalyst in the product and just distil off the nitroethane (which is also the solvent).

I was informed that at scale NaOH is the most convenient catalyst for those who actually intend to clean the product.

It's an area I always avoided because I have seen some extremely dangerous makeshift labs and met the kind of people I would normally go to great effort to avoid. The implied question was, it seemed to me, 'will you work for me' and the answer is no. If it's illegal I want nothing to do with it.

If you are ecstatic about the Henry reaction, camfentamine is a more elegant product and their is an elegant telescoped synthesis that uses only two steps and can be carried out in a single reaction vessel.
 
That ROA is pretty long-acting but not really hedonistic/euphoric/pleasurable like the other ROAs. I doubt many people eat it, might be good for practical activities like studying or housework
 
Burnt Offerings said:
That ROA is pretty long-acting but not really hedonistic/euphoric/pleasurable like the other ROAs. I doubt many people eat it, might be good for practical activities like studying or housework
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I eat it because it is the perfect balance of stimulation and euphoria, without the negative sympathomimetic effects, and zero negative effects on erection and orgasm. In fact I can climax multiple times an hour all day, when the situation calls for it.

The pipe over-stimulates, causes too much NE release, vasoconstriction, and a soft, shrunken, sad looking cock that knows it's going to get beaten half to death with nothing to show for it.
 
snmfmy said:
The pipe over-stimulates, causes too much NE release, vasoconstriction, and a soft, shrunken, sad looking cock that knows it's going to get beaten half to death with nothing to show for it.
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God ain’t that the truth lol

Back in the day I used to like to snort it lol, that was my favorite ROA. Somehow it felt more “substantive” & less fleeting than smoking. Most people in the scene preferred to either smoke it or bang it though
 
snmfmy said:
I eat it because it is the perfect balance of stimulation and euphoria, without the negative sympathomimetic effects, and zero negative effects on erection and orgasm. In fact I can climax multiple times an hour all day, when the situation calls for it.

The pipe over-stimulates, causes too much NE release, vasoconstriction, and a soft, shrunken, sad looking cock that knows it's going to get beaten half to death with nothing to show for it.
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I'm just keeping it real.
There are escorts (really friends, I've never been their client) that offer the pipe to clients because they're likely to not be able to get it up, so they get paid for an hour of fucking and all they have to do is jerk and suck them off and play with their nipples. They said half the time they can't even get off but never complain.

And we have all seen someone get a few giant clouds from a water bong and then disappear to a BR or lock themselves in the bathroom for HOURS.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
God ain’t that the truth lol
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It's a spot on description.

Every guy that has really hit the pipe hard has beaten his own pipe for hours with absolutely no actual hope of finishing.

But there is this compulsion to keep trying until the tendonitis in your elbow and shoulder, and the swelling on your pathetic cock (that doesn't resemble what you started with at all) makes you consider the ER might be a reasonable location even though you're spun up like the turbos on an INDY car on race day.
 
I could usually cum but it would take like 8 or 9 of looking at the weirdest smut you can imagine and mashing my cock (which was about as firm as a chewed up piece of bubblegum) before crying cum out of a dick that’s like 1/3rd erect. Good times lol 🤪
 
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