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Oral AMT (freebase) - First Time - ~75MG

AuraithX

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NOTE : Taking AMT the day after MDMA is stupid, there have been several bad interactions with AMT/MDMA as AMT might act as a mild MAOI. Doing so may result hospitalization or death. Please leave 72 hours between AMT and MDMA trips.

75mg is also a high dose for a first time, and was only done as I have experience with psychedelic substances. A more appropriate dose is 30-40mg


Prelude
It was Saturday afternoon at about 2PM. I had a baggie in my hand labeled "AMT 500mg" so I knew it was going to be quite a night. This night turned out to be my most intense drug experience to date (a comprehesive list of all drugs done can be found in My Journal) I hadn't slept yet from Friday night, where I had 25mg 2C-B and about 500mg MDMA. I didn't notice much of a comedown and felt energetic and excited about the night to come so I saw no reason not to consume the AMT.

I was splitting the AMT with 5 other people. Scott, AJ, Luke, Ciaran, Ashley. Aj split it into 10 equal lines (my scales arrived the following day :X) which was pointless as he ended up putting 2-3 lines in each bomber (parachute) anyway. Ashley was the first one to try the drug, which I thought was pretty brave of her. Turns out later that she was tripping from the MDMA pills and thought it was speed (lol).

Luke, Ciaran, and Scott all took big doses ~100mg and Aj and I finished the rest, unsure how much it was but it looked about 75mg. I wasn't too worried as I've heard reports of people handling up to as much as 400mg+ and everyone I was with could handle their drugs pretty well.

Ashley was the first to feel the effects, which was worrying as she felt overwhelmed and everyone else had took a substantially bigger dose. Also,Everyone except me and Aj had the classic 'AMT Vomit' which was weird as I felt no nausea throughout the entire 28 hour trip.

'The Trip'
I start to notice the effects at about T+60min. no hallucinations yet, I just feel very euphoric and happy. I'm having some gastronomical discomfort and am farting a lot. My farts smell exactly like the AMT powder, which is rather disgusting. We're all sitting in the conservatory and I start to notice some mild hallucinations. Everyones faces appear to be vectored, Almost as if they are two separate faces that are merging together at slightly different angles. Foreheads grow longer, cheek bones narrower, their entire facial appearance changes completely to the point where I takes me a few minutes to work out who just entered a room (cannot recognize faces) This was worrying as I felt as if I wouldn't be able to tell anyone apart at the peak.

Scott, who appears to have landed one of the larger doses is sitting in the living room himself, his arms were all twisted up and he didn't look very comfortable at all. He was slumped down on the couch, and had hit a cold sweat. I sat down and talked to him for a while as I felt responsible for doing this to him. After a 10 minute chat he appeared to be mentally OK, but was extremely fucked. He was enjoying it so that's all that mattered. I asked him to come into the conservatory and join us as he'd end up freaking out if he sat in here by himself. He told me that he wasn't able to recognize anyone and that he'd rather just sit here. I left him and found Luke up in the attic bedroom himself, He also seems to have landed one of the hefty-doses. This was Lukes first psychedelic drug experience but he said he was also enjoying it. He ended up having to leave as the police phoned looking for him.

I went back and sat in the conservatory with Aj, Ciaran, Ashley, and a bunch of people that hadn't been taking AMT. Throughout the night I continuously walked into the living room and back as it was too cold to sit in the conservatory (Apparently I was the only one that found it cold) and there was no one awake in the living room apart from Scott who looked like he was on some distant planet at the time. Green Street was on the TV but I was at a peak and was unable to watch it, the hallucinations seemed vastly intensified when I was watching TV, at times people appeared to be paper-cut outs and when they walked it was a fluid-puppet like movement. I couldn't watch for long as every time it shot to a crowded room I would be so overwhelmed that I had to look away. If I was more comfortable with the drug I probably could of made those people walk right out of the TV. Also, when I looked at the fireplace a giant black mask appeared to be coming through the wall and looking at me. This scared me shitless and I quickly ran back into the conservatory to talk to people and get my mind of it.

It must of been about 2AM by now, (T+12HR) and the drug was showing no signs of weakening. My cousin was wearing a burberry cap which appeared to split the entire room into 4 equal sections. I didn't want to sit and think about this too long as I feared my entire visual field would be taken over by some sort of kaleidescope vision. At this point the only way I had of recognizing people was by looking at their clothes and working it out. Everyones faces morphed into each other.

At about 4AM I walked with Ciaran to the all night garage to get mixer. On the way there I was extremely paranoid. I could hear people at the party as if they were standing directly behind me, shouting in my ear, I must've looked right-fucked as I was continuously looking behind me. I also couldn't walk to close to bushed on the sidewalk as I felt as if someone was going to jump out at me. Everytime a car passed I could hear really vivid, loud laughter that would get louder as the car approached and then quieter as it drove past. I didn't really like this as it was the first time I had aural hallucinations. Once in the garage my cousin decided to spark up a conversation with the cashier, which was freaking me out as it looked like her teeth were made from wood. The only good thing that came from the garage was on the way back the noise of my jacket arm and coat rubbing together sound like tiesto songs, or any song I wanted it to be for that matter!

We got back and I sat in the conservatory for the next few hours focusing on the visual hallucinations. When someone would turn their head quick their eyelids appeared to lag, almost as if it couldn't move fast enough to keep up with the rest of the face. At times I could see entire exposed eyeballs before the flesh caught up. I needed to move seats as there are lamps sitting outside, which somehow morph into a giant egyptian mask, that is watching me.

It's about 5AM now (T+15hr) and I still feel as if I am peeking. I watched Rocky V which was the most amazing thing ever. In the final fight scene their skin had this pasty-clay like texture to it, that made it look exactly like the XBOX360 game 'Fight Night' when a punch was thrown I could see it in slow motion, I could see every single detail right down it going in slow-motion when he got punched.

At 7AM (T+17hr) the peak has passed and lying next to the radiator watching MTV was really fun. The music videos are already trippy enough sober watching them on AMT was amazing! If the entire trip was like this I probably would of sat in here watching the TV the entire time. Which might explain why Scott did. I also spent about 10 minutes staring at this water painting of some flowers. The flowers looked so animated and colorful, they also appeared to be pulsating, However, I had to stop myself from staring too long at stuff or people would start to worry I was tripping out. :D

At 9AM. Ciaran, Aj, and a few other people head out for paintballing. They're both still really fucked from the AMT. As soon as they left the party pretty much died and I went to sleep. They were due back for about 2PM though. At this point I hadn't slept for 49 hours. This shows how exhausted 20hours of tripping had been as I usually never sleep on the weekends (until Sunday night)

At 2PM. (T+24hrs) I woke up to them arriving back from the paintball, still wasted. the visual effects have almost completely worn off, except for some people still looking a bit weird. The aural hallucinations, however, are still going strong. When watching TV I can't even hear what the announcer is saying as I can hear people yelling, constantly, just pointless shit as well. This was really annoying and I tried to focus on the TV but just couldn't! We order something to eat and the aural hallucinations eventually dissipate.

After-Thoughts
I fell asleep at about 5PM Sunday. I woke up 6PM on the Monday. Ciaran slept for a similar amount (2PM-Sunday -> 4PM Monday) this drug really exhausts you! Luckily I didn't have school, Ciaran called in sick for work as he said he physically couldn't do it. Until the next Friday I was completely exhausted (barely able to move from my bed) sleeping 16+ hours a day and shitting about 10 times a day (literally) the comedown from this drug is the worst I've ever experienced from any drug.

I think the dose I took was probably a bit high for the first time but the experience was great, although, overwhelming at times. I don't think I'll be doing AMT again for its long duration and heavy comedown. The high was great but it's not really worth it when there are better drugs available. 2 weeks later and my farts still stink like freebase AMT. Sorry for the lengthy post but I'm really bored :)
 
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Are you kidding me?

You took MDMA, 2C-B, and then dropped 75mg of AMT?! AND YOU DOSED YOUR FRIENDS THAT FUCKING HIGH FOR THEIR FIRST TIME?!?!

DO SOME RESEARCH!

ARGH!

Really bad things have happened when people have combined AMT and other drugs that are broken down by MAO... You should always give at LEAST 72 hours between MDMA and AMT. Nobody knows for sure whether it inhibits MAO or not but why take the risk?

And by the way, just because you "read" about people needing 400mg+ doesn't make it true. If you read that the drug is going to make you fly, does that mean you're going to jump off a building?

That was a really stupid thing that you did and you're damn lucky you didn't die.

I don't feel bad for you at all with your shitty comedown. You deserved every second of it.

I'm surprised more people haven't jumped down your throat about this. Do yourself and your friends a favor and never touch research chemicals again.

I highly doubt that anyone could take 400mg of AMT and live. The only way they would live through that is if they were either lying, didn't have a scale and the vendor sent them the wrong product, or the product they had was extremely impure.

On top of this all, you eyeballed doses so you really have no clue how much you took?!

This belongs in a special "world's stupidest drug user" forum.

I'm going to write to the mods and have them at the very least put a huge warning at the top that your doses and methods were reckless and you could have killed yourself or any of your friends.

Obviously you don't have the knowledge necessary to handle powerful chemicals responsibly because if you would have done a bit more digging, you'd have known a lot more about just how dangerous what you did was.
 
There was a thread in this forum years ago about Mixing MDMA with AMT and a guy's heart stopping because of this combo. Unfortunately I cannot find it because it was closed after like 3 pages of flames, and any prune would of deleted closed threads.
 
DO SOME RESEARCH
I read hundreds of threads about AMT and the entire AMT vault and not once did I read about a bad interaction with MDMA.

You took MDMA, 2C-B, and then dropped 75mg of AMT?! AND YOU DOSED YOUR FRIENDS THAT FUCKING HIGH FOR THEIR FIRST TIME?!?!

Not in the same night, the following day.

And by the way, just because you "read" about people needing 400mg+ doesn't make it true. If you read that the drug is going to make you fly, does that mean you're going to jump off a building?

If you can't base it on what you've read what exactly can you base it on?

I highly doubt that anyone could take 400mg of AMT and live. The only way they would live through that is if they were either lying, didn't have a scale and the vendor sent them the wrong product, or the product they had was extremely impure
It was from Erowid.

ND YOU DOSED YOUR FRIENDS THAT FUCKING HIGH FOR THEIR FIRST TIME?!?!
Probably would of redosed if there was any left, everyone else wanted to redose as well.
 
Idiot.

Being so smug about something so stupid is going to put you in your grave one of these days.

Quite frankly I don't really care that you were reckless about yourself. Its one thing to recklessly endanger oneself, its a completely different thing to endanger others.

I have no doubt in my mind that either that was some cross-tolerance action going on, you didn't actually have 500mg, or you had some half-bunk shit.

Everyone I've ever given AMT to has had a mindblowing +++ off of as little as 30-50mg and when I personally took 100mg, even with a tolerance from dosing 3 times that week (it was the 7th day of the week and I had just taken 60mg two days prior), I was left in a state where I was completely lost. I couldn't speak because my jaw was so fucked that it was bouncing up and down and everything came out in stutters. My friend who was driving me around almost took me to the hospital until I popped out of it and said something to the fact of "I just met the goddess and she was more than I ever could have hoped for". I continued tripping for over 24 hours and then when I crashed, I slept for just under 36 hours.

Just because you all got lucky this time doesn't mean you will next time.

And by the way, I know its on Erowid. And I think its the most retarded thing I've ever seen. They should know better than to put notes like that on there where people such as yourself are going to read them and take them to be ultimate truth.

Either way, you should count your blessings because something affected the way that the drug affected all of you.

Even if it wasn't AMT, its still reckless to go on an MDMA bender and then take a strong psychedelic without any sleep. I hope you don't have access to this anymore because it definitely has the potential to kill. How old are you anyway, 15?

Get a god damn scale at the very least if you're going to keep messing with this shit. If you've done so much research then how come you shot the dose so high right off the bat? If you read the bulk of AMT reports, its very rare that someone takes more than 80mg and doesn't either have the scariest trip of their life or have an experience that was so intense, they couldn't even begin to put it into words.

Most people get absolutely shattered on doses much lower than that. I have a friend who took 30mg of my AMT back in the day and she had a complete and total life-altering ++++ experience.

Even further, whenever you take something for the first time, you are supposed to take a dose closer to the low end and work up from there.

Its people such as yourself who are the reason why AMT and 5-MeO-DiPT were emergency scheduled, along with 2C-T-7 and the following Operation WebTryp. There was just no need for it... and now that AMT is scheduled, the drug that is by FAR the most powerful anti-depressant for me is something that I have to put my neck on the line to import. Thanks.
 
Get a god damn scale at the very least if you're going to keep messing with this shit. If you've done so much research then how come you shot the dose so high right off the bat? If you read the bulk of AMT reports, its very rare that someone takes more than 80mg and doesn't either have the scariest trip of their life or have an experience that was so intense, they couldn't even begin to put it into words.

I stated in my report that the scales came the following day.

I dosed so high as Erowids doses are always too low. I asked many people on MSN and they said 75-100mg was a more appropriate dose for freebase AMT, and it was.

I have no doubt in my mind that either that was some cross-tolerance action going on, you didn't actually have 500mg, or you had some half-bunk shit.
I'm 100% certain it was pure freebase AMT. I know my source, and several of the people taking AMT hadn't been taking pills the night before. I doubt there's much tolerance between 2CB/MDMA and AMT anyway since the first two are phenethylamines and AMT is a tryptamine
 
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75 milligrams, i would of woke up thinking my head was run over by a train, i love moderate doses around 20-30mg.. the comedown is nothing compared with MDMA.

Should of dosed lower, and now u have no amt left :p
 
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75 milligrams, i would of woke up thinking my head was run over by a train, i love moderate doses around 20-30mg.. the comedown is nothing compared with MDMA.

Should of dosed lower, and now u have no amt left :p
T'was free anyway. Also, it's cheap enough to buy. :)
 
Sorry I was such a jerk about it...

But seeing things like that spark a strong fire in me.

And yeah, to be honest, high doses of AMT on their own really aren't worth the comedown.

You could have gotten just as blasted off of 50-60mg and had far less of a comedown.

But still, can you put some sort of a warning on there that says it was a high dose and could have been reckless? This is a harm reduction site and I know that many of the people I have dosed personally would have at the least flipped their shit on doses that high, if not in actual physical danger.

Once I get mine, I'm going to grow some balls and try a dose around 90mg or so but I'm going to keep benzos on hand in case there is a lot of excess stimulation.

If you do get more, try a lower dose next time and I think you'd find a lot more in the experience. With this stuff, less is definitely more. And AMT tolerance builds quickly if you're doing other tryptamines around the same time, which could explain some of the really high doses on Erowid. Its definitely extremely cross-tolerant with LSD. Taking 60mg of AMT four days after doing LSD resulted in me barely feeling anything outside of the stimulation and redosing another 60mg just resulted in more clenched-feeling effects and still no trip.

I tried again a week later and got blasted off of 60mg but the tolerance still hadn't returned to baseline.

I wouldn't be surprised if its cross-tolerant with phenethylamines though. This isn't your usual tryptamine, especially given it being the direct tryptamine form of amphetamine. I didn't have access to any phenethylamines when I was doing experimentation as AMT was the first psychedelic drug I ever had taken besides DXM.
 
Hey, thorough report, thanks for that.

I agree in general with MK about the combinations being dangerous, not the 2C-B but the MDMA. The only negative interactions I've read about with AMT are MDMA, and I've read a number of life-threatening and at least one death report, and several very unpleasant experiences. These reports were mostly on Erowid, and I'm frankly quite surprised you said you've never heard of any negative reactions between the two.

I also think the dose was a little high to start out with, but I suspect that you've got tolerance issues going on, which I understand. Personally I have used a lot of AMT, and had tolerance before I ever tried it, and I didn't find my favorite dose even at first until about 65mg. I've taken up to 100 (not all at once, but 80 and then 20 later) and haven't ever felt unsafe or wished I had taken less.

As for your assessment of AMT, may I suggest that your bad hangover was probably mostly due to your high dose right off the bat. At a lower dose, maybe 50mg or so, I can imagine that you would enjoy yourself a lot more and have little hangover. I don't usually even get headaches from AMT. To me, it's just wonderful, beautiful stuff. The euphoria easily rivals MDMA (before it stopped working for me even), although it's more setting-dependent, and it lasts so long that you don't have to worry about it wearing off during the experience. I love to take AMT in social situations with people who enjoy discussing philosophy and such, because in those settings it brings out the magic of life and my eloquence of speech and inspiration moreso than almost any other methods can.

But, this is a trip report, not a lecture hall. What needed to be said has been said, so from now on in this thread, let's leave out the personal attacks and name-calling, and discuss the report and so forth instead. Civilly.
 
Sorry I was such a jerk about it...

But seeing things like that spark a strong fire in me.

And yeah, to be honest, high doses of AMT on their own really aren't worth the comedown.

You could have gotten just as blasted off of 50-60mg and had far less of a comedown.

But still, can you put some sort of a warning on there that says it was a high dose and could have been reckless? This is a harm reduction site and I know that many of the people I have dosed personally would have at the least flipped their shit on doses that high, if not in actual physical danger.

In light of harm reduction I've edited my original post. Sorry about lashing out but I don't respond well to personal attacks :)

I was being genuine when I said I had never heard about bad interactions with MDMA/AMT but I know now and I've added it to my OP so everyone will too.

If I get it again I'll be trying 60mg weighed out to see what such a dose is like and I'll probably work my way up from there.

nice report! I bet the hangover had a lot to do with the MDMA and less to do with the AMT.
I've spent countless weekends up, consuming up to 42 pills in a weekend, 22 in a night, and never felt much of a comedown. MDMA comedowns consist of sleep paralysis, brain zaps, and paranoia for a week after a bender for me... During the AMT comedown I was physically exhausted for days and in physical pain for the day after.
 
I dosed so high as Erowids doses are always too low. I asked many people on MSN and they said 75-100mg was a more appropriate dose for freebase AMT, and it was.

Erowid clearly states at the bottom of the page regarding doses:-

We have received several complaints by users that our oral dosages shown are far too low. There are a number of reports of individuals taking 100-200mg recreationally and some of these people argue that the reports of overwhelming effects felt by others at 40-80mg are exaggerated. It is important to keep in mind how much variation there is in experiential effects based on personal biochemistry, expectation, and other difficult to determine factors. We have received reports of overwhelming effects on as little as 40mg and users taking as much as 400mg (!).
We have also received several reports of severe vomiting, dissociation, dehydration, and extreme reactions with as little as 40mg oral AMT. New users should not begin experimentation above the threshold level of any psychoactive drug and should slowly work their way up over the course of several sessions to avoid dangerously strong reactions.


The comment about Erowid's dosages seem pretty stupid in light of the above notes from the AMT vault dosage page - you could have killed someone so very easily
 
Thank you for adding the caution to the report. Its much appreciated and could save someone from doing something incredibly stupid. :)
 
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