Oppositional Defiant Mushroom Users

[landocomando]

Hey, so i have Oppositional Defiant Disorder, while i think its bull shit to be categorized as a full on disorder its legit in the sense that yes, when others tell me to do something in a connotation that triggers me, i feel impulsed to do the opposite, hence oppositional defiant.

What does that have to do with psychedelics? A recent trip of 10g p. cubensis brought me into a realization about the constant defiance i show. In addition it seems suppressed emotions about this topic revealed itself in a manner that was unsettling to my casual apathy towards life.

After i had digested this experience thoroughly i recall that many if not all of my other shroom trips had a reoccurring phrase that popped into my conscious at least once per trip (often in the peak). The phrase "We should have listened to our mothers" lingers in each of my trips.

Has anyone had any experiences similar to this, preferably retrospective conclusions of life-style/behavior brought about by mushrooms

 

[moe.ron]

Mushrooms more so then any other psychedelic I have ever tried has shown me what i percieve to be the subconscious underlying reasoning behind a lot of my actions.. Myself, I was given the tag of ODD in every institution or rehab the courts ever sent me to, but I over came the problems of my angry teenage years by just growing up, no psychedelic inspiration needed. Thats not to say mushrooms have not been instrumental in shaping the person I am today, which I would say, as a whole is a far better person then Ive been in most of my life, or that mushrooms didnt help me to realize why i was the person I use to be (which I would say they did). Over the course of two months of weekly 5-7 gram mushroom experiences I came to realize a lot of very personal reason behind why i am who I am, what shaped me. For me, this is too personal to go into but I will be happy to talk about just what a psychedelic revelation means. I understand why people would reject this explanation, that mushrooms or the psychedelic chemicals contained in them are responsible for a revelation, and I certainly understand the danger in advertising psychedelics as an "enlighening" lifestyle.

Probably I never reach a conclusion about myself on psychedelics I couldnt have reached with simple stone cold analysis but son of a bitch if these "realizations" dont seem to come more often and with more clarity when under the influence of psilocybin then when Im just sitting turning ideas in my head sober. I use to spend a lot of time coming up with psuedo-scientific theories to explain the philosphical mind set I find myself in on typtamines but eventually I came to the conclusion that the psychedelic experience is nothing other then your interpretation of it.

So what im trying to say is that it appears to me that a common action of psilocybin is to serve as a catalylist for introspective thought, for whatever reason. And also, for a large number of people, the thoughts realized under the influence of psychedelics is infintely invaluable. BUT another very large number of people may experience nothing other pure delusion. So whats going on here?

Is the psychedelic experience a legitimate pscho-analtyical tool? I think so, because whether the realizations realized under the influence of psilocbyin are a direct result of ingesting said substance or a mere bi-product of the head space psilocbyin puts one in, is irrelevent. The only legititmate question, in my mind, is to ask your self once you come down if you see what you thought on the drug as a delusion or a revelation. If you see it as a revelation, that is to say if it walks like a duck, and it talks like a duck, its probably a duck, regardless of where it was born.

 

[General Patton]

I don't want to derail your serious thread with this comment but:

Don't have an insightful trip, don't integrate your psychological revelations deeply, and for the love of god don't live your life with a newfound sense of freedom.

:D

 

[Chemical Wizard]

Don't listen to General Patton!

 

[any major dude]

psiloc[yb]in appears to be useful for various types of behavior modification. There was a study in the 60s (granted it was fraught with a number of methodological problems) using psilocybin to reduce recidivism among inmates. There are a couple of ongoing studies at Johns-Hopkins regarding psilocybin and smoking cessation and OCD, here are links to a couple videos of presentations on them

Psilocybin & Smoking Cessation
Psilocybin & OCD

I would venture a guess that some other 4-substituted tryptamines such as 4-AcO-DMT & 4-HO-MiPT may be similarly useful, but AFAIK, there is no data on using them for such a purpose.