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Opioids Opoid "virgin" plugging morphine sulfate for the first time

tricomb said:
EDIT: Important edit, I just was re-reading everything and I noticed you asked about chasing pills on foil, do not do this, it's horrible for your lungs and is horribly inefficient, most smart opioid addicts do not pretend that pills are worth smoking like opium or tar heroin is.

Even more important edit: Do not consume wine/alcohol with morphine under ANY and I mean any circumstances.
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Crucial edits tricomb. I was thinking the same thing reading all the replies after his post about smoking on foil and mixing morphine with alcohol. Please don't do that. I've had to bring back my buddy twice for that same shit. No fun for anyone. Trust me. :|
 
Again, thanks so much for all the replies.
Tricomb's ba and half-life calculations are also very well appreciated.

To clarify, was thinking about combining cannabis and morphine / oxy - not alcohol. Would never do alcohol with an opiate. In my experience alcohol always overpowers every other substance at surface level, but I'd be willing to bet it would also mask the opium, allowing it to creep up on you and od.

As to smoking, thanks for the info. There is a lot of tar available here to smoke, but zero opium. I doubt I'll ever be lucky enough to smoke opium Graham Greene-style in my lifetime, something I really regret. (Maybe I should take up cultivating poppies for a hobby =D )

Great replies, learned a lot as usual, thanks much all!
 
Yeah after going over your post again I saw that you weren't intending to mix wine with oxycodone, but I thought it couldn't hurt to include the warning.

If you get the morphine tablets, then you can use this to prepare an aqueous solution for rectal administration.
 
It seems like you are assuming the effects of opiates are the same regardless of dose--they are not are are very much dose dependant. Just because the effects from 10mg oral/plugged morphine was subtle does not mean a dose of say 40-50mg would also be subtle, nor does it mean you would need to use via IV in order to get a greater effect.

If you want a great opiate high, if you want to feel that feeling that has been described in countless books and movies and sounds so damn heavenly, then you need just adjust your dose, possibly you choice of opiate, but you absolutely do not and should not start injecting opiates.

10mg of oxycodone orally is a single dose Rx'ed for moderate+ pain to opiate naiive people, SO, in the name of harm reduction, I would suggest you crush up and swallow (take orally) 25mg's of Oxycodone. Take the dose all at once 2-3 hours after eating a meal high in fat, wait 30 minutes and smoke some weed.

(Weed always was crucial for my opiate highs, I needed it to feel the full effects, even after snorting 5 bags of nyc dope I needed to smoke a little to reaaally feel it. So since you like it anyway, maybe you are like me and need some weed to bring out the beauty of an opiate high)

I suggest oxycodone oraly because I never had much success plugging opiates and the BA (effects) of oral morphine is very low/weak. But if you'd prefer to plug, then plug 30mg of Morphine, all at once, and again smoke some weed 30 mins later.

If you find that these doses of oxy or morphine + weed are STILL not giving you the high you expected and want, then increase your dose by 5-10mgs and try again the next day.

But DO NOT inject any opiates until you have to take soo much of your DOC that its not financially or physically possible to get high anymore without changing the ROA---this will take years of hardcore drug use and is something u should avoid at alllllllllll costs.
 
Excellent post waldo.
Thanks for taking the time to detail suggestions.
Much appreciated. :)
 
IMO, some of waldos suggestions were dosing a little too high for an opioid naive person. I agree with his suggestions for cannabis though, helps naive users with the nausea and also does seem to have positive effects on onset for me.

25mg oral oxycodone is too much IMO, and so is 30mg rectal morphine, especially dosed all at once. I would titrate up to 20mg oral oxycodone and at the most start with a 20mg rectal morphine shot, on separate occasions of course, I didn't mean mixing the oxycodone with the morphine, just to clarify.
 
I was surprised to read that you felt that the initial 10mg oral dose wore off quickly. I'm sure it being a low dose had to do with it, but when I take oral morphine it lasts longer than just about all other opiates, but it is MS Contin which is time released, and I just chew it a bit so it doesn't do much in defeating the time release. I'm sure that it was still in your system when you took the additional 10mg rectally, even if the high seemed to have worn off.

Edit: I just read over waldos dosing suggestions and I agree with tricomb that it was too high. Oxycodone is more potent than morphine when taken orally, so it wouldn't make sense to take a higher dose than they had taken of morphine if they were able to get a buzz off the morphine. 15mg of oxycodone would probably be perfect, but it's best to start off at 10mg to make sure you don't get sick from it and also since you might get high enough from 10mg so it would be better to stop there instead of raising tolerance. After 10mg if you need more than increase by 5mg increments every 20-30 minutes.
 
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Morphine has more legs than most other opioids I've found, one rectal shot of morphine in the morning and I'm set for analgesia all day, and this drug has a 2-3 hour half life LMAO, oxycodone which has a 5-6 hour half life doesn't even provide analgesia for me for more than 3 hours-ish.
 
I think I've read oxycodone has a 4 hour alive, but yes likely less legs because it lacks overall sedation.
 
Great replies from all, thanks

tricomb said:
IMO, some of waldos suggestions were dosing a little too high for an opioid naive person. I agree with his suggestions for cannabis though, helps naive users with the nausea and also does seem to have positive effects on onset for me.

25mg oral oxycodone is too much IMO, and so is 30mg rectal morphine, especially dosed all at once. I would titrate up to 20mg oral oxycodone and at the most start with a 20mg rectal morphine shot, on separate occasions of course, I didn't mean mixing the oxycodone with the morphine, just to clarify.
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Yeah tri - my fave thing about waldo's response is the specificity & detail of it, along with the cannabis recommendations. I'm hoping just a pinch of high-grade sativa will put the spin I'm looking for into the whole experience, though I won't know until I try it. Agree that since I'm such an opiate wuss 20mg MAX rectal of morphine sulfate or 20mg MAX oral Oxycodone will be the next step, then the cannabis. :)

Tommyboy said:
I was surprised to read that you felt that the initial 10mg oral dose wore off quickly. I'm sure it being a low dose had to do with it, but when I take oral morphine it lasts longer than just about all other opiates, but it is MS Contin which is time released, and I just chew it a bit so it doesn't do much in defeating the time release. I'm sure that it was still in your system when you took the additional 10mg rectally, even if the high seemed to have worn off.

Edit: I just read over waldos dosing suggestions and I agree with tricomb that it was too high. Oxycodone is more potent than morphine when taken orally, so it wouldn't make sense to take a higher dose than they had taken of morphine if they were able to get a buzz off the morphine. 15mg of oxycodone would probably be perfect, but it's best to start off at 10mg to make sure you don't get sick from it and also since you might get high enough from 10mg so it would be better to stop there instead of raising tolerance. After 10mg if you need more than increase by 5mg increments every 20-30 minutes.
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Tommy - after reading some later replies I agree, the oral 10mg dose was likely still hangin' around in the blood. I'm just too much of a rookie at the time to consider half-life, etc. Just experimenting carefully, but with a bit more know-how now, thanks to everyone here.
A 10mg Oxycodone k56 http://www.drugs.com/imprints/k-56-15462.html is something I'm familiar with and would be taking this time around. No nausea in the past. I can probably manage 1+1/2 for 15mg oral or possibly even 2 of them for a total of 20mg oral next time, and yeah, no way would I mix plugging and oral, it would be specifically either one 15-20mg dose per session or the other only, never both.
Nice to know from you both about the "legs" on the oral morphine sulfate as well. I really appreciate all the detailed info everyone offers here. Can't get enough information, as I consider this all to be fun, but at the same time, seriously "playing with fire." I do have a nice pill-cutter, so no problem with the 5mg oxy increments.

tricomb said:
Morphine has more legs than most other opioids I've found, one rectal shot of morphine in the morning and I'm set for analgesia all day, and this drug has a 2-3 hour half life LMAO, oxycodone which has a 5-6 hour half life doesn't even provide analgesia for me for more than 3 hours-ish.
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Yes tri, that's probably one of the most important things you guys have schooled me on so far: being careful (titration) with the preconception that the liquid morphine can be deceptively subtle and more long-lasting, while the oxycodones are more the rock star that comes on stronger but wears off a little faster, though it wouldn't surprise me to find out it's different for everyone. I'm following the "half-life" rules and stats for safety.

Summary: again many thanks to all the above, tri, Tommy, waldo, pbuild etc for all your help. Thanks to you all for sharing all the knowledge, recommendations etc. so I can have safe happy journey(s). All the best. =D
 
Totally man, and just for the record, I was attesting to morphine's legs via the rectal route as well, not just oral. But orally also has very long legs, especially when the time release is remained intact, at least somewhat partially.

Morphines been my drug of choice for a long time, I'm glad that we were able to help you with this. Your totally right about the effects being different for everyone, as we say, YMMV, your mileage may vary.
 
Glad ur finding this helpful, keep us posted I'm curious to see how ur next experience goes.

To clarify, I agree a 25mg dose of oxy is on the high side for an opiate naiive person, and in retrospect I should have advised to take 15 or 20mg instead and titrate up by 5mg from there. (I forget what dose the OP took, so if they took 10mgs, then try 15mg, if they took 15mg, then try 20mgs...)
But, the reason I suggested the 25mg dose was b/c of what the OP had said about wanted to shoot up / use heroin via IV admin...I was thinking that the risks of taking 25mgs vs 15 or 20mgs in order to get that euphoria was worth it against the risks of IV'ing heroin to get the euphoria. I just wanted to get the OP to that state of bliss via oral oxy so that they wouldn't turn to IV heroin to find it after being dissapointed from inadequate doses of oxy.

That said, u will get high from oral oxy so just be patient and take it slow...
 
I very rarely enjoy MJ on it's own, sometimes even while drinking it's not fun for me.
I had a few times when (probably because of nice strain) I was smiled, talkative, humorous and anxiety* free. I believe that with that shit it would be a great mix with opiates!

*I don't speak English too often so I'm not sure if anxiety is the right word. I meant that there are times when I'm on weed and I don't feel good around other people, even ones close to me. Then I don't know what to say, can't enjoy conversation, I feel alone, judged by everyone and try to stay unnoticed.
 
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