Opium -> Morphine base -- help

[Pharaoh Sphinx]

I read the rules I dont 'think' this violates them correct me if im mistaken.


If SWIM wanted to extract morphine base for smoking from opium SWIM would like to know how better than what SWIM could find on the search engines.

SWIMs proposed idea and questions;

Take poppy pods fresh, cut up, boil for 2h, run through 73micron filter.

Reduce heat to under a boil but still warm, add ordinary lawn lime(1) until a particular characteristic is visible(2), run solution through 73micron filter.

Remove from all heat(3), add concentrated ammonia in small amounts until solution stops precipitating out white/brown solid(4), run through filter, toss solution and collect filter contents, sun dry.

1) Is ordinary lawn lime sufficient? Dont know much about lime... I think SWIM has got a few bags sitting around used for lawn

2) What characteristic would this be; Keep an eye on things falling from the solution or should something form on the surface of the solution?? Or??

3) Is this advised??? Or should it still be below-boil warm?

4) This is what happens right? It will fall to bottom as a white/brownish solidish material and when this stops happening from ammonia addition you can know theres no more to solidify out so ammonia addition should stop?

 

[johanneschimpo]

1) the lawn lime will (most likely) have many 'impurities', so it may not work. are you using it as a base? if so, you should be able to find a better (cleaner) reagent.

besides that, I don't know much else about this process.

 

[redeemer]

This guide sounds useful:

The following is a step-by-step description of morphine extraction in a typical Southeast Asian laboratory:

1. An empty 55-gallon oil drum is placed on bricks about a foot above the ground and a fire is built under the drum. Thirty gallons of water are added to the drum and brought to a boil. Ten to fifteen kilograms of raw opium are added to the boiling water.

2. With stirring, the raw opium eventually dissolves in the boiling water, while soil, leaves, twigs, and other non-soluble materials float in the solution. Most of these materials are scooped out of the clear brown 'liquid opium' solution.

3. Slaked lime (calcium hydroxide), or more often a readily available chemical fertilizer with a high content of lime, is added to the solution. The lime converts the water insoluble morphine into the water soluble calcium morphenate. The other opium alkaloids do not react with the lime to form soluble calcium salts. Codeine is slightly water soluble and gets carried over with the calcium morphenate in the liquid. For the most part, the other alkaloids become part of the residual sediment 'sludge' that comes to rest on the bottom of the oil drum.

4. As the solution cools, and after the insolubles precipitate out, the morphine solution is scooped from the drum and poured through a filter of some kind. Burlap rice sacks are often used as filters. They are later squeezed in a press to remove most of the solution from the wet sacks. The solution is then poured into large cooking pots and re-heated, but not boiled.

5. Ammonium chloride is added to the heated calcium morphenate solution to adjust the alkalinity to a pH of 8 to 9, and the solution is then allowed to cool. Within one or two hours, the morphine base and the unextracted codeine base precipitate out of the solution and settle to the bottom of the cooking pot.

6. The solution is then poured off through cloth filters. Any solid morphine base chunks in the solution will remain on the cloth. The morphine base is removed from both the cooking pot and from the filter cloths, wrapped and squeezed in cloth, and then dried in the sun. When dry, the crude morphine base is a coffee-colored powder.

7. This 'crude' morphine base, commonly known by the Chinese term p'i-tzu throughout Southeast Asia, may be further purified by dissolving it in hydrochloric acid, adding activated charcoal, re-heating and re-filtering. The solution is filtered several more times, and the morphine (morphine hydrochloride) is then dried in the sun.

8. Morphine hydrochloride (still tainted with codeine hydrochloride) is usually formed into small brick-sized blocks in a press and wrapped in paper or cloth. The most common block size is 2 inches by 4 inches by 5 inches weighing about 1.3 kilograms (3 lbs). The bricks are then dried for transport to heroin processing laboratories.

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[Pharaoh Sphinx]

^

'sounds' useful but lacks much information.


The best ive found is such;

Processed opium is stirred in large drum of boiling water until it has completely dissolved. Slaked lime (calium hydroxide), at about one-fifth the mass of opium (8), (or a fertilzer with a high lime content) is added to the solution. This has the effect of converting morphine, insoluble in cool water, into the soluble salt, calcium morphenate. For the most part, the other alkaloids do not react, and when the mixture is cooled, the morphenate remains in solution, while the other chemicals settle to form a brown sludge at the bottom of the container. (Codeine is somewhat soluble in water and some amount is likely to remain in solution). The calcium morphenate solution is scooped or poured from the drum and filtered and pressed through burlap rice sacks or some other makeshift filtration apparatus. The filtered solution is re-heated, but not boiled, in cooking pots to which ammonium chloride is added at about one-fourth the mass of opium processed (8). After the pH of the solution reaches 8 or 9 it is cooled. Within a few hours, morphine base and any remaining codeine precipitate out of solution and settle to the bottom of the pot. The solution is then poured off through cloth filters, leaving chunks of morphine base on the cloth, which are squeezed dry and set aside to dry further in the sun. The dried crude morphine base is a coffee-colored powder. (A more scrupulous chemist might use ether in the filtration to dissolve any residual codeine out of the base mixture, but this is not reported in accounts of illicit manufacture).
http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162.180.114/dcd/chemistry/heroinmfg.html


Would Calcium Carbonate (limestone) work??
I beleive SWIM has potting soil with chunks of limestone for PH adjustment, SWIM could fish these out, wash em clean and use em, it would probably be the most pure form of lime SWIM could readily acquire.

Could just the chunks be used, or should it be ground up first?

Another source claims;
Chemicals used to isolate morphine from opium include ammonium chloride, calcium carbonate (limestone), and calcium hydroxide (slaked lime)

 

[Survival0200]

"Morphine hydrochloride (still tainted with codeine hydrochloride)"

Wouldn't this cause interactions if IV'ed? People always tell you, that you should NOT administrate codeine IV ...

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ Very, very small amount. Thats what I assume. Look up the relative amounts of each alkaloid, Morphine is much more abundant than codeine (in opium).
Or something with the acetylation...

 

[johanneschimpo]

Heres a recipe, all the way to heroin.
Its for LARGE quantities, but I know you'll be able to do the math to reduce the amounts relatively.

"The process of extracting morphine from opium involves dissolving opium in hot water, adding lime to precipitate the non-morphine alkaloids and then adding ammonium chloride to precipitate the morphine from the solution. An empty oil drum and some cooking pots are all that is needed.

The following is a step-by-step description of morphine extraction in a typical Southeast Asian laboratory:

1. An empty 55-gallon oil drum is placed on bricks about a foot above the ground and a fire is built under the drum. Thirty gallons of water are added to the drum and brought to a boil. Ten to fifteen kilograms of raw opium are added to the boiling water.

2. With stirring, the raw opium eventually dissolves in the boiling water, while soil, leaves, twigs, and other non-soluble materials float in the solution. Most of these materials are scooped out of the clear brown 'liquid opium' solution.

3. Slaked lime (calcium hydroxide), or more often a readily available chemical fertilizer with a high content of lime, is added to the solution. The lime converts the water insoluble morphine into the water soluble calcium morphenate. The other opium alkaloids do not react with the lime to form soluble calcium salts. Codeine is slightly water soluble and gets carried over with the calcium morphenate in the liquid. For the most part, the other alkaloids become part of the residual sediment 'sludge' that comes to rest on the bottom of the oil drum.

4. As the solution cools, and after the insolubles precipitate out, the morphine solution is scooped from the drum and poured through a filter of some kind. Burlap rice sacks are often used as filters. They are later squeezed in a press to remove most of the solution from the wet sacks. The solution is then poured into large cooking pots and re-heated, but not boiled.

5. Ammonium chloride is added to the heated calcium morphenate solution to adjust the alkalinity to a pH of 8 to 9, and the solution is then allowed to cool. Within one or two hours, the morphine base and the unextracted codeine base precipitate out of the solution and settle to the bottom of the cooking pot.

6. The solution is then poured off through cloth filters. Any solid morphine base chunks in the solution will remain on the cloth. The morphine base is removed from both the cooking pot and from the filter cloths, wrapped and squeezed in cloth, and then dried in the sun. When dry, the crude morphine base is a coffee-colored powder.

7. This 'crude' morphine base, commonly known by the Chinese term p'i-tzu throughout Southeast Asia, may be further purified by dissolving it in hydrochloric acid, adding activated charcoal, re-heating and re-filtering. The solution is filtered several more times, and the morphine (morphine hydrochloride) is then dried in the sun.

8. Morphine hydrochloride (still tainted with codeine hydrochloride) is usually formed into small brick-sized blocks in a press and wrapped in paper or cloth. The most common block size is 2 inches by 4 inches by 5 inches weighing about 1.3 kilograms (3 lbs). The bricks are then dried for transport to heroin processing laboratories.

Approximately 13 kilograms of opium, from one hectare of opium poppies, are needed to produce each morphine block of this size. The morphine blocks are bundled and packed for transport to heroin laboratories by human couriers or by pack animals. Pack mules are able to carry 100-kilogram payloads over 200 miles of rugged mountain trails in less than three weeks.

The conversion of morphine hydrochloride to heroin base is a relatively simple and inexpensive procedure. The necessary chemicals are readily available industrial chemicals. The equipment is very basic and quite portable. Heroin conversion laboratories are generally located in isolated, rural areas due to the telltale odors of the lab's chemicals. Acetic anhydride, in particular, is a key chemical with the easily identified very pungent odor of pickles.

Heroin synthesis is a two-step process which generally requires twelve to fourteen hours to complete. Heroin base is the intermediate product. Typically, morphine hydrochloride bricks are pulverized and the dried powder is then placed in an enamel or stainless steel rice cooking pot. The liquid acetic anhydride is then added. The pot lid is tied or clamped on, with a damp towel used for a gasket. The pot is carefully heated for about two hours, below boiling, at a constant temperature of 185 degrees Fahrenheit. It is never allowed to boil or to become so hot as to vent fumes. It is agitated by tilting and swirling until all of the morphine has dissolved. Acetic anhydride reacts with the morphine to form diacetylmorphine (heroin). This acetylation process will work either with morphine hydrochloride or p'i-tzu (crude morphine base).

When cooking is completed, the pot is cooled and opened. The morphine and the acetic anhydride have now become chemically bonded, creating an impure form of diacetylmorphine (heroin). Water is added at three times the volume of acetic anhydride and the mixture is stirred. Activated charcoal is added and mixed by stirring and the mixture is then filtered to remove colored impurities. Solids remaining on the filter are discarded. Sodium carbonate, used at 2.5 pounds per pound of morphine, is dissolved in hot water and added slowly to the liquid until effervescence stops. This precipitates the heroin base which is then filtered and dried by heating in a steam bath for an hour. For each pound of morphine, about 11 ounces of crude heroin base is formed. The heroin base may be dried, packed and transported to a heroin refining laboratory or it may be purified further and/or converted to heroin hydrochloride, a water-soluble salt form of heroin, at the same site."

source: http://opioids.com/jh/index.html






*(warning: may be more for show than practicality)*

 

[rashandreflex]

this thread may be of some use to you: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=256615&highlight=poppy+heroin some of the procedures in there get quite detailed.

i don't have much to add, but i do have some questions. what concentration of ammonia solution are you planning on using? it was suggested in the above thread to use saturated ammonia solution (density of .880, so it is often called '.880 ammonia') but i did a little research on saturated ammonium solution, and it can't be kept in a closed bottle in a warm room without exploding and i don't think it should be stored in an open container because breathing the gas is dangerous.

second, here is quote from the aforementioned thread: Actually, a much easier method is to get the plain opium tea down to a low volume (high concentration), then add an equal volume of 0.880 ammonia soln. This will not cause the formation of a phenoxide ion (as using NaOH would), but does neutralize all of the acidic components. As morphine base has a solubility of less than 1 in 1000 (less than 1g/litre) in water, morphine base will precipitate out over the course of 30 mins (chill the soln as cold as possible to minimize the percentage of morphine base still in solution). After that, you just filter & what you're left with is an tan coloured precipitate of morphine and a few other associated opium alkaloids. -fastandbulbous

...so basically he (or she?) recommends skipping the lime step altogether. i am confused as to why one procedure uses lime to change insoluble morphine into soluble calcium morphenate and then adds ammonia while the other skips the lime altogether, leaving the insoluble morphine base and then adds ammonia...should the morphine be soluble or insoluble when the ammonia is added?

 

[B9]

That fucking SWIM knoiws a whole wide range of people who post on here for sure, how old is SWIM , that's what I would like to know?







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[Pharaoh Sphinx]

I assume Ammonium Chloride would suffice inplace of the .880 ammonia in F&B's lime-free method???

And what the hell does "ACS" mean when placed after a chemicals name?

i.e. ammonium chloride ACS

vs just ammonium chloride

 

[Coolio]

American Chemical Society. Like USP (United States Pharmacopoeia), it denotes that it's a reagent grade chemical with a purity that meets ACS specifications. ACS grade reagents are of the highest purity, USP is just good enough for use as a drug.

 

[Canis aureus]

Just came in mind: how about mixing fresh poppy pod material with sodium bicarbonate and put that in naptha bath or ronsol and collect ronsol and evap?

Would one end to something useful, like morphine base with some shitty pulp?

(Not really anything advanced...8) )

 

[BigBenn]

Just came in mind: how about mixing fresh poppy pod material with sodium bicarbonate and put that in naptha bath or ronsol and collect ronsol and evap?

Would one end to something useful, like morphine base with some shitty pulp?

(Not really anything advanced...8) )

You would still have any plant oils/fats that remain. That means your resulting product would probobly be liquid/viscous rather than powder and be highly impure.

 

[Pharaoh Sphinx]

That means your resulting product would probobly be liquid/viscous rather than powder and be highly impure.

SWIMs gotten straight up opium evap to powder that could probably be insufflated (but uncomfortable as shit!)

you cant really see in photo but like 50% of that is a very fine brown powder as opposed to glassy shards.

SWIM just waitin on the ammo chloride and will try F&Bs .880 proposed idea only swiped with ammo chloride crystals.

Would also like to try lime method as well..
SWIM also has bag of material that is 17% Calc Carb, 20% magnesium and remainder inert materials, aside from filtration, is there anyway SWIM could isolate out as much of the calcium carbonate from the magnesium and inerts?

 

[B9]

What %age of the start material have you got there?
As in what weight is your powder and what weight was your start material.



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[redeemer]

Would also like to try lime method as well..

The difference between using fastandbulbous' method and the calcium hydroxide method is that the former will leave both morphine, codeine and all other alkaloids contained in the opium poppy while the latter will get you only morphine and a small amount of codeine since it's relatively soluble in water (1g in 120 mL water).

 

[BigBenn]

SWIMs gotten straight up opium evap to powder that could probably be insufflated (but uncomfortable as shit!)

That is sick looking shit already. Looks great, with a little cleanup you will have yourself quite a treasure. It is atleast smokable at this point and probobly snortable.

So have you salted it or is it still freebase?

In reference to my post about shitty oil product I was talking about starting from pods and using only base extraction. I would be interested to know from what you started with in your extraction. Hit me up at my email address as I seem to have lost yours.

 

[Pharaoh Sphinx]

Never weighed nothing.

Its done from fresh pods. SWIM realised all SWIMs best pods were planted right next to road so SWIM couldnt lance them, only alternative was to cut pods off and dice them up then boil for 1h, then run through 73u bubblebag, evap, and scrape.

The pile in that picture is evap result of 2 fresh pods or so SWIM said.

SWIM would like to do up to the filtration, then add ammonium chloride to the filtrate solution, let shit precip then run through filter and collect... anything that doesnt involve scraping for hours and hours is fabulous


I understand why the limes used, SWIMs curious about the differnece in yields and difference in quality of the smoke

 

[Canis aureus]

This surely is interesting... poppyperiod is just present in the north...

 

[B9]

Something to gauge how much powder is there would be helpful , like a ruler alongside the powder.
Normally it takes one hectare of quality poppy to produce a 4oz bar of morphine hydrochloride!
That looks a massive amount to have extracted from 2 pods !






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