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[Working_Class]

I've come into a strange conundrum. RX opis are out of reach financially, but a gram of what they call "Raw gas" goes for like 100 bucks. I'm guessing it's pebbles of nitazine basically


Meanwhile 100 oxy 20's goes for about 900 and I eat em like Skittles. 100 mg is relatively decent for me but it's like rich people drugs.

The question I wanted to ask though as I came across a gram of what they "make" the multi colored "heroin" out of, but the components are said to be "CF" and "L2".

I can make out what CF means. That means start in the micrograms for dose range (say like 25 mg and work up). But WTF is 2L?

They also say pure uncut, but if it was then it would just be "CF" 100 mg since they Also say the ratio is 1:10 "CF" to "L2"

Is L2 a drug or is it cut or what the fuck is L2 lol

 

[Esperighanto]

I can make out what CF means. That means start in the micrograms for dose range (say like 25 mg and work up). But WTF is 2L?

I'm assuming CF stands for carfentanyl?

They also say pure uncut, but if it was then it would just be "CF" 100 mg since they Also say the ratio is 1:10 "CF" to "L2"

Typicall, inconsistencies like this are a good indicator to find a new vendor.

Is L2 a drug or is it cut or what the fuck is L2 lol

Nobody can tell you what this is, or if the product you receive actually contains it. Have you reagent tested any of the product or sent any in for testing?

The question I wanted to ask though as I came across a gram of what they "make" the multi colored "heroin" out of, but the components are said to be "CF" and "L2".

Beware operating at a higher level of purchase in these circles, tons of authorities looking to bust people, and cartel associates looking for competition to remove and they often fuck up and accidentally strike out at users who are just trying to build up a meaningful stash.

 

[Working_Class]

You'd be correct on CF. There is nothing else that it could mean really, I haven't pulled the trigger on the purchase nor inquired about the "L2" ingredient, but 100 mg of carf is essentially 40000 - 10000 doses depending on your "sweet spot" and or tolerance.

I have access to HNMR analytics and testing facilities. Would be utterly insane to walk in with 10 mg of this stuff though as that could equate to 40 doses just to test.

But you understand the conundrum when an oxy 20 costs 25 bucks and it takes a guy 4 to catch a good buzz, when (we'll average the doses to 50 mcg) 20000 doses could be bought for literally as much as 4 pharma 20's (or a single dose of real oxy). 1 trip, or 10000 trips. It's a conundrum for sure, it's too potent but the Oxy is too expensive, so it pushes people to look around for the next best thing.

The economics of the pharma just doesn't make any sense if you can stock up for yourself like that. But then there's the obvious danger of just having something so over powered, if you make one mistake or God forbid spill any, get any dust in the room or whatever, could be a very bad time for not just you but anyone who comes into contact.

I don't think I'm gonna pull the trigger on it, but I will inquire about the cut. Whatever L2 is, I just wanna know.

China white goes for a reasonable price so I'd honestly probably just stick with that. 15 - 25mg should have a guy feeling nice warm and fuzzy vs 25 mcg. Also Carf has no legs, no sparkle, no warmth. It's just a brutally strong, very cheap alternative.

If perhaps I did happen to pick some up though, you'd better believe it's getting tested before it gets tasted. And it'll probably have to go onto blotter paper to take away the spill and dust hazard. Would be quite the stack of paper

 

[Working_Class]

That would be a lifetime personal stash. Could also be a life ending stash so all of that is understood for sure

 

[Working_Class]

Also the prospect of even handling something as strong as CF is sort of scary AF, so it would make sense that they'd want to thin it out, legitimately for safety sake. Touching a grain of the stuff could drop someone without tolerance if it soaks through their skin, at least if it's 90% cut it'd take about a quarter mg to become intoxicated instead of of 25mcg. If you've never seen pure LSD crystal it's hard to even conceptualize that sort of potency

 

[Working_Class]

Yeah I think I talked myself into the China white instead. If it's legit that'll be a sweet spot for sure. Can't let booked for potential trafficking charge for a gram of H, but a gram of CF... Just seems wrekless.

What a time to be alive, when heroin is actually the safe choice if it is legitimate uncut diacetylmorphine, and still many times cheaper than shitty 20's.

The math on the G of China white would be a gram would be about 40 hits at 25 mg a dose.

That is the economic sweet spot in this inquiry for sure, goes for around 160 - 180 a gram or about 450 a ball.

$160 / 40 doses at 25 mg per = $2.33 per 25 mg.

That's legit what those 20's should cost, but they cost 10X more

 

[Esperighanto]

If perhaps I did happen to pick some up though, you'd better believe it's getting tested before it gets tasted. And it'll probably have to go onto blotter paper to take away the spill and dust hazard. Would be quite the stack of paper

I'm glad that you've got this mindset here, when it comes to blotter I recently applied around half a gram of MDMB-4en-PINACA which can be fatal~800mcg. To lay it accurately, I used sheets that were 2.5"x5" in a dish that exact size with squared off edges, so there was no space left uncovered. The other thing that made it work was using a solvent that fully dissolved it, 200 proof ethanol for this specific compound (it also evaporated quickly). I did all of this with full PPE, and then sterilized every single surface that was touched, and acidified then basified the shit out of the baggie with lye, to destroy any residuals so that a racoon won't go through my trash and accidentally eat MDMB-4en-PINACA in an unknown amount, god help the hypothetical raccoon.

I similarly am a vigilante at destroying toxic mushrooms in public places, I think it's just part of being a pro-social person who exists in a dense enough society to where people walk place-to-place, to think something like "Man, I should beat these Amanita phalloides fruiting bodies into unrecognizable pieces, so that a small child, dog, or squirrel might not hypothetically take a toxic bite out of it".

Sorry for the rant, bupropion just sunk in. I think you made a very smart decision here, personally.

 

[Working_Class]

I'm glad that you've got this mindset here, when it comes to blotter I recently applied around half a gram of MDMB-4en-PINACA which can be fatal~800mcg. To lay it accurately, I used sheets that were 2.5"x5" in a dish that exact size with squared off edges, so there was no space left uncovered. The other thing that made it work was using a solvent that fully dissolved it, 200 proof ethanol for this specific compound (it also evaporated quickly). I did all of this with full PPE, and then sterilized every single surface that was touched, and acidified then basified the shit out of the baggie with lye, to destroy any residuals so that a racoon won't go through my trash and accidentally eat MDMB-4en-PINACA in an unknown amount, god help the hypothetical raccoon.

I similarly am a vigilante at destroying toxic mushrooms in public places, I think it's just part of being a pro-social person who exists in a dense enough society to where people walk place-to-place, to think something like "Man, I should beat these Amanita phalloides fruiting bodies into unrecognizable pieces, so that a small child, dog, or squirrel might not hypothetically take a toxic bite out of it".

Sorry for the rant, bupropion just sunk in. I think you made a very smart decision here, personally.

That stuff sounds pretty much as potent as CF to be honest . Ultra potency is only dangerous if you mishandle or don't know the dose (the acidifying / basifying is a great idea to chemically decompose and render residues inactive, clever)

Since we're here talking blotter, might be helpful to go through the process for others, if just for educational purposes.

Usually what I would like to do is take whatever sample of paper that I'm going to be using and take a 10x10 square, weigh it on a milligram scale, submerge it in the 90.9% alcohol solution for 60 seconds, and weigh it again to get the difference in weight to see exactly how much liquid the paper absorbs.

Then you take the difference between the beginning weight and the ending weight and that is the weight of the solvent that you're using that soaks into the paper.

That number can be used to get the calculation so that you can dial the strength of the blotters properly.

So if 10x10 sheet soaks up about let's say a gram (It's not actually a gram. You have to weigh this every batch of paper because different batches of paper can absorb solvents at different rates, this is why we have to *time* the submersion and keep the submersion time consistent through the whole batch if making a bunch of 100 lots to keep the process consistent)

But anyway say it soaks up about a gram of fluid and you want the botters to be100 mcg a pop.


The calculation will be as follows;

1 gram into mg = 1000 mg solvent soaks into the paper.


To get 100 mcg per unit (~10 mg of fluid per blotter - [10X100=1000 mg or 1 gram)

So for the compound, you need 10 mg per gram of fluid to make a concentration of 100 mcg per unit paper. It is easier to make batches in bulk, so one may want to use say 50 mg in 5 grams of solvent, should get you at least 3-4 properly submerged blotts with some leftover soak fluid.

Just a handy FYI for anyone wanting to lay some blotts, It's all ratio calculations. If you don't trust your math, get it checked by someone you trust! One wrong 0 can make a great time into a bad time in a hurry.

Lay tinfoil down on your work surface so it can be discarded after chemically wiping the area to make sure no residue harms anyone or any creature, do the same with your tools that are getting put away, you'll have leftover fluid likely as it's best to have enough to properly submerge the blotts in, and dry them laying flat on a wire cookie rack so the fluid doesn't all sink to one side giving you a dangerously "hot" 10 strip on the bottom side. And try to make sure the 100 lots don't crinkle and make high / low spots if possible.

Then, once the solvent is completely evaporated, (if you've got your stuff verified and tested) start with maybe a quarter blot, give it enough time to soak in and hit, then adjust dose as needed. Also have a trip sitter and any drugs that can help bring you or whoever out of an OD if it were to occur.

This should help keep some party people safe. Oh and **label your leftover fluid with concentration per mg or find the volume calculation if you're gonna use it dropwise, and label any leftover powder with a big warning deadly danger label so nobody goes and digs around in your stuff thinking they found a bag of blow and tries a 1000 dose bump by accident**

 

[Them Witches]

The Black Diamond (pyramid) with gold flake splashed on was some of the best L. Some of the regular blotter at Phish shows can be strong.