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Opioids as an AD - PhreeX

fraxflame

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PhreeX, you mentioned that you use opioids to self medicate. I'm curious about your drug/dose and how you arrived at it. Is it stable (the dose)? I had success w/an SSRI before but I stopped then restarted and the effect was not duplicated. Do you administer it daily...more frequently?
Finally, about Meth...wasn't the panacea you thought?
very curious here...almost done with legal self-medicating...seeking wisdom from some more experienced people. thx.
 
i appreciate your opinion, but I was born this way. i could try to 'deal' with whatever is bothering me and spend 25K on psych bills before realizing that they don't KNOW where i am, or i could invest in some decent pharmaceuticals <--- this calls for a Bud Light.
 
Having to use a medication/drug in any matter that you become dependent on itis weak, (at least in my book).
I find that offensive. I am addicted to opiates. I have to be. It's the lesser of two evils. I, and many others, live with horrible chronic pain.
Its much better to deal with your situations/problems/life head on rather than through a haze fog of opiate bliss,
You dont know what your talking about. Deal with my pain "head on". You wouldnt last 2 days.
fraxflame: If you're thinking about self-medicating with opiates, I'd like to suggest looking into dried poppy pods. They are much cheaper than pharmaceutical opiates. You can get about 200mg of morphine for less than $2.00 out of dried pods. Also there's a bunch of codeine in there and another active alkoloid that skips my mind at the moment.
 
blahblahblah--
What's so weak about becoming dependant upon a medication? You get any number of ailments, you'll be dependent on medication real quick, be they antibiotics, aspirin, whatever. Not to mention that you're dependent on a million other things right now -- food, water, social contact, etc.
I'm not trying to say that an H addiction is a great cure for depression, but what's so special about "facing" your problems? Everyone "avoids" their problems in some way. If I'm hungry, I don't face it, I fucking eat to make the hunger go away. Tons of people avoid their problems by escaping to the solace of a gf/bf. When a kid is consistently mocked, he rarely will face his tormentors but will find new people to associate with and avoid the old. Are these necessarily unhealthy responses? I think much of the time "avoiding" such problems are the best one can do.
-zorn
 
fraxflame: If you're thinking about self-medicating with opiates, I'd like to suggest looking into dried poppy pods.
They are much cheaper than pharmaceutical opiates. You can get about 200mg of morphine for less than $2.00
out of dried pods.
thanks for the reply FP. How do you personally extract the alkaloids from the florist's decoration?
 
I've used methanol in the past. It's does a good job of isolating the alkaloids. It's not needed though. The goods are all very soluble in hot water.
1) Just thro some water in a tea pot or something and bring it to a boil. Remove it from heat
2) Grind up a few pods and thro them into the tea pot. Let it everything sit there covered for about 45 minutes.
3) Filter it thru a coffee filter and drink up.
THe number of pods you will use will depend on how potent they are. Start with 5 or 6 and see what that does for ya. Also, I never have luck finding good pods at the florists or craft stores. Some people do. I guess it depends on your area. I get mine online. If you need a source, email me.
 
I never have luck finding good pods at the florists or craft stores.
hmmm...yea I tried your procedure with some florist grade pods and sent my 2 accomplices to the toilet to worship. gleaned from Hogshire. Sounds like I should order some from Flander's Fields. thx
 
I personally believe opioidsto be the ULTIMATE anti-d's ... I have been through just about every class of anti-'d (except MAOI's) and the overall success was limited - I did the best with Wellbutrin, but my dose was on the high end of the spectrum and the withdrawal/comedown was FAR WORSE then that of ANY ILLEGAL DRUG!
I even wrote up a report on using opioid drugs for depression, but several medical professionals shot it down with some reasons I am still trying to work around..
If you want recipes for various poppy tea combos and stuff, check http://www.poppies.org
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
Paxil withdrawal has been recently acknowledged as having hideous withdrawal symptoms.
PhreeX, I'd be interested in reading your reasoning on why opioids make good AD's.
 
As far as using opiates as anti-depressants.. well heroin is NOT one you want to use. At the rate you develop tolerance to it, you couldn't use it daily for more than a few weeks without having to use a higher dose which would inevitably lead to you getting quite dependant.
On the other hand, if you can stay clean for a while or you don't have a tolerance anyways, I've found that Percocets work great. With painkillers, especially oxycodone, the lower the dose you start with, the longer it will take to develop tolerance and physical dependance. Until 3 months ago, I could take 10mgs of oxycodone and it'd be mildly recreational. But more importantly, it was a great mood enhancer. I'm one of those people who gets a mild "tweak" effect from opiates, so that helped, of course. I'd become MUCH more friendly, be able to get along with anyone, be incredibly socialable, think more clearly, and preform most tasks better. Of any drugs I've ever taken, and I have almost everything you could think of under my belt, oxycodone has been the most effective drug I've ever taken as far as something I could function on and instead of changing my personality or bringing out fake feelings/emotions, it more or less just reduced some of my inhibitions and exaggerated what was already there instead of create something new. Instead of being reserved and keeping my thoughts to myself, when I took low doses of oxycodone, I was able to speak my mind, be more motivated in general, and accomplish more. Oxycodone has done for me what traditional anti-depressants, ADHD medications and anti-anxiety medications could not.. and it accomplished the effects of all those in one. The best benefits I have seen from it are becoming a more confident person in social situations where before my anxiety was so bad I could't deal. I used to sit quietly at work and talk to nobody. I started taking Percs before work and would just talk to people. Now I don't need them anymore, I'm social anyways now and don't get panic attacks anymore.
Now, I'm again going to stress that potent opiates like heroin, morphine, dilaudid, fentanyl, etc., are NOT the way to go if you're seeking therapeutic benefits. The point is NOT to get fucked up. You want to go with low doses of weaker opiates like codeine, oxycodone or hydrocodone. Also you don't want to use them daily. Use them sparatically. Either once every few days, or maybe even 2-3 days then off 3-4 days.
And I'm also going to add that using opiates to self-medicate this way is not neccessarily healthy. I'm a drug addict. I honestly believe I was predisposed to being a drug addict before I ever took drugs. The first drug I ever abused was Tylenol 3 and I knew then and there that drugs were going to be an integral part of my life, and that's been true since I first abused a bottle of 50 T3's over 7 years ago. I do not by any means think that anyone should just go off and think "hey, I can take painkillers and they'll solve all my problems". Self-medicating with drugs like this is not a psychologically healthy thing. It works for me, but again, I am a drug addict. And if you really want to go for this, do not think you can do this long term. You will definantly become psychologically dependant after a while. In the long run it will probably lead to more problems than it solves. Over the years I have phased in and out of periods where I heavily abuse opiates. I'm in one of those phases now where I've started using heroin again. It was fine at first, but now I'm really struggling as I've found myself quite addicted. I could go cold turkey, I have stopped for days, but I become so eratic and irritable that I don't think it's worth it, so I'm trying to ween myself off. It's not a good lifestyle.
If you're looking into opiates as anti-depressants because you think this would be a "fun" way to overcome your problems, I absolutely guarantee you will end up with more problems than you started with.
Frax, I think this is a pretty good overview of the kind of information you're looking for. Hope it helps.
[This message has been edited by SovietContin (edited 14 November 2001).]
 
Very eloquent post, SC.
Ford-
This is offtopic, but you really find enough morphine in a single dried poppy pod? 200mg is a shitload of morphine, that's insane. The other opioid is papaverine btw, not a fun one.
 
No offense, but I think using opiates as a means of an anti-deppresant is just stupid.
The way I see it, an anti-deppresant is something used to increase your overall happiness, but at the same time, leave you in a normal state. I do not feel an opiate is acting as a good anti-deppresant if you are left in a "fucked up" state.
If I'm hungry, I don't face it, I fucking eat to make the hunger go away.
If you are hungry, I would consider eating as facing your problem. An example of avoiding that problem would be to ingest something to supress you apetite or to ignore your hunger.
[This message has been edited by Black Jesus (edited 14 November 2001).]
[This message has been edited by Black Jesus (edited 14 November 2001).]
 
you really find enough morphine in a single dried poppy pod? 200mg
No, no. God that'd be nice though. What I meant was if you shop around you can find good pods for really cheap. For $2.00 you get 50 or so dried pods and there seems to be about 200mg of morphine collectively.
 
"The way I see it, an anti-deppresant is something used to increase your overall happiness, but at the same time, leave you in a normal state. I do not feel an opiate is acting as a good anti-deppresant if you are left in a "fucked up" state."
Hmm...well first of all, some of the seriously affected (depressed) people have been that way for as long as they remember. It takes antidepressants, even opiates for some, to make those people feel normal. It isn't a black and white issue of getting fucked up and thus being happier. And I for one can say that 15 mg of hydrocodone leaves me feeling pretty lucid, not fucked up in the least, just happier and more sociable. I imagine it is the same for some other people too. I could do anything I might normally do on some Vicodin; for me, 2 bud lights would impair me more, and I get hammered fairly often. I also have to comment that prescription antidepressant have tons of side effects and tend to leave some people feeling dull mentally and making them sleep all day. The only trouble I have found with opiates is that the line between responsible self-medication and recreational use will be hard for some not to cross. And I agree that if you do end up seriously addicted, you will do yourself more harm than good in the long run. It sounds like SC had a good idea with using the lesser opiates because they delay the onset of tolerance and are a little less euphoric so that you don't get carried away from the start.
 
I too agree with SovietContin's statement.
And by no means am I endorsing SSRI's, I have been down that path, and believe me it is not worth it.
 
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