Opioid/Opiate related massive decrease in Testosterone Levels

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Hi Gals and Guys, fellow Readers and Friends; or 'To all those being interested in hearing what i've to say, while desperately hoping to find some answers or hints, or whatever one has to contribute to the following confessions I have to make...not just to all of you reading this, but also myself!

At first i planned on using this thread for my own experiences (or better, my HiStory), not just to share my Experiences with Opiates/Opioids and related Testosterone Deficiency but also to warn people to think twice before probably, or most likely surely doing the same fatal mistakes I’ve made - even though i thought of everything's being ok, when it in fact was not. But first things first...

I think i haven't had much -if any- posts in the last few months, even though i always liked to share my drug-/ and medical-compound related experiences - may it just to write down something to help myself for the sake of writing it down and to make myself a clear picture of where i am/what I became, or at the very best, to contribute something helpful to all you other drug addicts - or, because i really do think there are at least some of those lucky ones which are capable of being able to control their drug-related behaviour -, even if it's, without much of a doubt, the minority of people reading/writing here at Bluelight.

My forum abstinence was because of something you'll (if you're really interested) perhaps be more easily able to understand within the next few minutes, in the following lines i just wrote below.

So today, on 29th of November, and more important after coming down to the -needless to say- deepest point of ones life of continuous drug (ab)use – for me mostly being more of an ab-, than just the –use-, with my first drug experiences, of course, being the consumption of alcohol.

So i think and say -and i think i'm not alone with this opinion- it's total crap when i hear people claiming THC is the so-called ‘Gateway Drug', because it defo isn't - it's Alcohol! It's readily available for each and everyone -even if underage- and something that made me more curious about how other 'things' might feel like. What followed was an almost seamless switch to massively abusing my ever-since beloved (−)-trans-Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol, better known as Tetrahydrocannabinol/THC - and without much doubt the second-most abused drug on the planet - besides Alcohol. Or am i wrong? I really don't think so, and even though i think smoking the Weed didn't do as much harm as MANY will say/think, it surely -and i'm totally aware of this and at least nowadays honest with myself- had a massive impact on my Psyche, and so also inevitably on what's going on in 'my Head', or to be precise: my Personality, i.e. most of what i am today. Sounds tragic? Perhaps…

..but i also do know that Alcohol was the Initiator, the one drug that made me 'open' for others to follow; and even today i don't know which one of those two did more harm to my mental, and at least to an extent, physical health? I think and -just to make this clear- furthermore keep on consuming both of those two drugs even nowadays just as i did all the years before - but with much more moderation as i did when i was younger. What I realized way too late was, that I trained myself -or my brain, to be more precise- to (re)act almost purely operating by external stimuli, i.e. the drugs I took - simply because I was able to get into whatever mood i wanted to be.

It was way too easy…and even more reckless to do so for many many years, but as we learn from our mistakes, we grow and evolve, and so did i.

Did I?

Thinking about my THC consumption, for way too long time i totally overlooked -and to a significant degree even ignored- that it's something much more powerful than most of us 'Potheads', (or whatever you wanna call it/us), if ones being honest, don't dare to confess.

And even if so? Would one change something if it's a thing she/he's so deep into, that without ever being able to deal with it's possible outcome - or as hard as it may sound, perhaps and to a certain extent even more matching: aftermath of a life-long poly-drug abuse?

I think we wouldn't change nothing! Like i did and many here, including me, still do - even if we should’ve known that each coin has two sides, but we usually just have an open Eye for the positive, but not the other negative that inevitably follows. But hey, this is, at least to a degree, totally human!

Remember that as we learn from our mistakes, we grow and evolve! Therefore, even as bad I might have felt the past months, I’d never completely regret what I’ve done.

But all of the previous things I just wrote, and you're damn right thinking so, has nothing to do with opioid Compounds/Opiates themselves - but i wanted to shed some light on my previous life, and how it came to the following, the reason for all this!

As someone with herniated vertebral discs in two sections of my body, unfortunately resulting in thankfully not permanent, massive crippling pains with increasingly pronounced numbness in my extremities, which can suddenly turn me from a 'more or less'-healthy, I’d almost say agile person, to an 'Old Man', being barely able to get out of bet, let alone making it somewhat bearable to get trough the day/or at worst, work.

I'm getting prescribed Tramadol and Tilidine as well as Lyrica and Gabapentin, which i got after Ibuprofen and Diclofenac were not sufficient anymore, but also because of the the Ibuprofen's almost toxic-like effect to my stomach, even in justifiable dosages! Just gimme 1 to max. 2x 600mgs/day of Ibuprofen and it's almost guaranteed that i'm puking the hell out of me for the following 1-2 days, feeling like my stomachs on fire.

So after the back and nerve Pains got stronger, i wanted stronger Medication, surely also because of Tolerance but also because of, and i'm 100% honest with me regarding this, me recreationally abusing opioids, because they not only took away my pain, but also made me somewhat more stable, regarding the, sometimes really bad mood swings i'm experiencing more or less all of my life - at least back to the days i can remember! I 'thankfully' haven't got stronger Ope's prescribed till today, but i'm sure i'll have to in the near future. So, and what initially started with Kratom and was at first just for fun (and which I initially found totally disgusting, at the very early stages of trying it out), surprisingly turned into a decent -even if limited- relief of some of my back/nerve pains and also the, because of those countless years of being in constant pains and becoming increasingly more mental ill - an illness that slowly emerged and crept up far more and far stronger than i could've ever have thought of, and finally destroyed not only whole parts of my me as a regular person.

The abuse of some of the drugs i mentioned above surely played their part in contributing to this, but it really began to get more serious the longer i've had those years in constant pains and being left alone without an adequate medication and therapy.

Thing is, i, and i really should add this, had a personal very profound experience some years ago, which not only threw me completely out of my life as i knew it until then, but also resulted in me beginning doing sports, making a heavy diet and loosing weight; a lot of weight (~60+pounds). Within the process i noted someday, that my libido was non-existant, just as my capability of getting an errection. I knew it was because of the heavy diet and exercise i was doing - it was just too much for my body to handle. I slowly ended it when i was down to 5% Body Fat and looked like a ravenous clone of Dolph Lundgren - which was nice, tbh very nice, giving the fact that i was obese my whole life to that date.

I am and always was a poly-drug user -for somewhere in between 15-20yrs now- and, as said initially, came to the deepest point of everyone's taking drugs: namely me consuming the drug i ever said of -from day one of hearing about it- I'd never wanted to try. But the reason I limited myself/ or my consumption to not doing ‘this one thing’, wasn’t just because of the stigma associated with it –namely being the 'End of the Road' for most- but also, and last but not least, of me being at least somewhat aware of my weakness/disability to truly restrict myself!.

The one drug i still today, even after knowing what it has done to me, hate exactly as much as i love it, and almost needless to specify: Diacetylmorphine - a name that's inextinguishable infested within myself - the infamous Heroin. …and damn me, for being too curious/or stupid and break my own promise not to take it, whatever might have come! But I did!

It really wasn't that long, at least something positive, and i'd say it were around 2 1/2 - 3 months in total with an total consumption of approx. 10gs consumed during that time.

Much?

Not much?

At least for someone who was only experienced with the mostly lower potency Opioids and a few encounters with Oxycodone and Butyr-Fentanyl (a somewhat weaker Analogue Research Chemical of the highly potent Fentanyl, afaik not available anymore). What i know is, may it have been much or not, it was (even though everyone says this about the stuff she/he's ingesting) very high Quality #4 Heroin, easily dissolvable in water and therefore perfectly made to easily plug without much preparations. Injecting was out of question, and snorting it was just too much of a waste for this precious stuff – and so i consumed from Day One without a single day off, at first with moderation, but with time passing by, more and more frequent use, until i realized that my surroundings slowly but steadily's becoming aware that something's not right anymore. I mean i took the weirdest stuff, sometimes even in public, but the indescribable urge to do it again and again, to do ‘just a bit more', here and there, and so on...well, it was the first time i wasn't anymore able to go to work and act properly, while my energy levels dropped to a never-known of degree, and even worse, my libido being already noticeable (if negligible) impaired from just taking Kratom for some prolonged time - was after the shortest space of time, non-existent, just as my genitals were just there - but without the slightest urge AND much worse, capability of using them anymore!

I was -hell dammit- a middle aged Person, healthy, doing though exercise regularly and having a somewhat taxing job where i have to be on foot/active all the time, (mostly) eating high quality nutrition but not even able to get an erection anymore!

I must admit, i wasn't that much impressed/or shocked at first and thought of me being temporarily disabled in the sexual department, but now -even 6+ weeks since i had my last dose- my testerone levels are that low that even my Doc is baffled! And i’m saddened to be the first one –at least for my age- ever with such low Testosterone levels he had to check up!

I don't know exactly how much it was, but since i gave up taking the H -which i absolutely had to, and thankfully managed to do far more easy than I’d expect it to be- i took AH-7921, a Research Chemical Opioid which is commonly known as somewhat long-acting and, so I thought, just perfect Compound to get out of my, ever increasing addiction, and of course tolerance to Heroin. I think it's not that unusual that i, in the last stages of my Diacetylmorphine consumption, had to take more than 5x the amount i took the first time, and where even 60mgs of -in addition to them being already the instant release ones- finely powdered Oxycodone hadn’t much, if any effect – regardless if taken orally or rectally.

My tolerance was trough the roof so to speak!

With time came the results of my fatal decision of trying some H for awhile – needless to say:

I totally stopped doing my once so beloved exercise/weight training exactly as I completely stopped having the slightest bit of real interest in sexual intercourse and on top of that, having social interactions - but the bodily changes were much more dramatic, as i should see or realize very soon! I felt more and more ill, and even the H lost it’s magic of masking all those sizzling problems, now increasingly became worse and worse!

I couldn't even finish my days at work and had at least one total collapse in public. I think some of you can imagine how humiliating it was to wave white Flags because of me having no energy left, being a jittery puking mess, crying out loud whilst realizing the shit hit the well-known fan...something of which i'd never thought of happen to me, because i thought of me being strong once - and even under way worse conditions somehow always managing situations, when i was too down/ill and/or too-drugged-up from previous sessions (with whatever drug it may be, and there were many!).

But it became to much at a certain point – so much that i couldn’t have handled it without risking my job, relationship and/or literally speaking everything around or in my whole life.

To finally come to an end: i've had my Testosterone Levels checked at least 4x now in the last 3+-months, and all my tests showed way too low levels of Testosterone, or to be exact: the highest was 1.8ng/ml (and the worst, the newest one, was only 0.67ng/ml (!), which is absolutely no more than nothing (keeping in mind that a value below 1.0ng/ml is already an remarkably low, downright alarming test result – excluding the fact that I’m not that old).

The last result (i.e. 0.67ng/ml) has been attested just this week, so now, after i've also tried some 50mg Testosterone Gel (with negligible, but at least noticeable results for the time taken) for approx. 4-6 weeks, initially daily-, and then on a one day on/one day off-administration method, as requested by my Doc, which is now ~4-5+weeks ago-. I've had an appointment today to finally get a 1000mg Testosterone Injection. This is, amongst many other reasons because i'm actually as weak as one can be (having had more off-work days in the last 2 months than i was actually there), experiencing coginitive deficits like problems remembering stuff, while also, and this is by far the worst, suffering the most vile depressive moments i've ever had in my whole life, including bursting out in tears, at day without warning and at night after awaking from momentarily only short stages of sleep (1- max.3hrs at a time!). I think i don't even have had much, if any, REM-sleep since weeks, which results in me being tired all day and is surely also accountable in the unusually long recovery time it takes at the moment, especially after I’ve had somewhat out-of-the-ordinary physical stress).

Needless to say, my energy during the day is solely because of this heavily impaired; excluding the missing 'drive' and 'willpower' associated with regular Testosterone Levels.

I can’t really say I’m feeling much better since I’ve got the Injection today, perhaps not as weak as before, but time will tell.

What I wanted to ask is, can this all related to my previous H intake? I'm asking this because I had the feeling of my Testosterone levels being not as high as they should be, ever since my heavy diet/sports regimen i followed for some prolonged time - and a few years before i even have had thoughts about doing Opioid Compounds someday soon.

And furthermore I’m really interested to hear some anecdotal reports of people taking Buprenorphine for pain management, because I read of it being not as bad for ones Hormone levels as the other Opioids/Opiates. Thing is, even if I would like to stay clear of this class of chemical -I simply cannot- but honestly not only because of the herniated vertebral discs I mentioned above of which just Opioids giving me the temporarily relief, but also me sometimes wanting to enjoy them recreationally – even though I’ll keep this to a minimum!

And rest assured, that I’m not breaking this promise again someday… no no never! - even though I am, and in all honesty must be aware of the high possibility of nevertheless being prone to do so - especially after having irrevocably opened the Pandora’s box!

Thanks a lot for your interest (and hopefully also contributions) in advance, and taking your time reading all of this! Many thanks....:)
 
Hey that's quite a post. Im not sure if you are aware but the testosterone hasn't even really begun to work properly and you will most likely experience a huge difference in you life coming up. With IM injection of testosterone level will reach peak around day three and the hormone will still have to facilitate the necessary changes. I had really low T from years of opiat abuse and began the therapy before I even detoxed the opiates. I think it made an amazing difference in my life and recovery. IMO the gel for TRT is absolute garbage as I dont think it get absorbed for shit. Also you can request that you do your own injections with the T. I hope this works as well for you as it did for me and you start to feel great. Also if you want your sex drive and package to return I would get off the opiates including the tram and what ever else your taking. The most used drug in the world is most likely caffeine and then cigarettes may be second, followed alcohol.
 
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Hey there, many thanks for your input!

And yeah, i know - seems like my post is actually way too long, since nobody else had something to contribute besides you. BUT, it sounds good what you're saying, even if today (on Day 3 after Injection), i'm apt to say that i feel the same, if not worse, as before. My sleep quality is still really really bad, i.e. nearly as bad as before, but, thanks God, without having those nightmares i mentioned. Worst thing is, i'm extremely nervous most of the time, having hot/cold chills, no appetite and abdominal pains, especially after i ate something.

No input about the Buprenorphine?
 
On the Bupe.. it has it advantages and its disadvantages. Being on Bupe isn't going to make you feel "normal" though it will level you out and give you a little help for staying away from the H and other opiates. Its withdraws are long and hard and will make the withdrawals you experience off the the H look like a joke, not that acutes ever look like a joke. But the with drawls of bupe last ten to 14 days and then you just begin to feel ok and get slowly better from their. I know people that have switched back to morphine from subs to get off them in the amount if acute time you are looking at right now as they had tried to push through the heavy two week tunnel and they said the hell with this im going back to my DOC for a week or two and then kicking it to finally get the hell off the sub cuffs. But subs also save a lot of peoples lives and provide a safer comfortable environment where they are very happy. so this comes down to weighing whats the best path for you. If its just a way to try and get easier withdrawal then no way and these are what I would explore and since you already have Lyrica and Gabapentin your almost there..

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

Addiction Guide
The Brain and Addiction (under construction)

Then when the acutes are over you will need to come up with a plan to combat the PAWS and I recommend doing this before you begin to detox as our minds can get pretty clouded during this process so I think its better to have a plan in place ahead of time.

Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
Hey I thought the grey matter of ADD could chew on this....
EXERCISE AND MOOD

You can do this=D
 
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Wow!!! You're my Man :D!!! Many many, and i really mean many many thanks for this very informative, helpful post.

About the Bupe: i've acutally thought about it being a 'somewhat' better alternative pain medication, at least regarding the fact that it doesn't affect libido/t-levels as much as the other opioids/opiates do. This is what i read in various studies (even though many people report that they do so).

Today, and i'm oh-so glad with this, i'm (at least) relieved by the fact that the acute wd's are nothing to worry about anymore and i'm, as far as i can tell, now in one of the later stage of paws.

And if we're talking paws: they're a total pain in the ass - tbh i've found it easier to stay off the H (or whatever other opioid compound i did before/afterwards) and coping with it's aftermath(s), i.e. the 'acute' wd's (and those were not nice!), than getting trough the paws i'm now in/or, as it seems, half-way through! Those paws are so inexpressible ugly and consuming, as it seems that during this period, you'll be finally -and with merciless severity- faced with what you did during all the time being hooked on the opes, just constantly muting yourself and your emotions and pains, regardless if they may be physical or mental.

What do you think about Gabapentin/Lyrica and it's effects on libido/t-levels? Do i have to worry about this with one/or both of those? Btw, i think i'll try the clonidine -if my doc is with me-! I'm occasionally taking melatonin as a sleep aid and, if needed, zopiclone, since my sleep is still heavily affected by the wd symptoms.

Btw, my mood has greatly increased today, especially after i've had a really nice workout earlier which is ultimately -and happily- plays it's part in giving me a really satisfying, natural feeling of being tired.

Sleep, here i come! =D

Many thanks my friend!
 
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THCified, legitimately you have given me a lot of perspective to reflect on in my own life/personality compared to others now.

Thank you very much for putting this up.


Alcohol truly is the gateway drug. I just can't believe it didn't stick out to me as blatantly as obvious as it now does compared to before I clicked onto this thread.

I have a lot of thinking to do... but thanks <3
 
I thank you very much for your appreciation, afterlyfestyle. Tbh, it took quite some effort to do share this, being that open to each and everyone out there in the world, but for me -as said before- this not only had some kind of therapeutic value but was also something i wanted to share with all of you - may it be of interest or not...

It was something that 'simply' had to be done.

I'm truly happy -even if the circumstances aren't the best, of course- that people, just like you, have found someting valuable here.

So there's absolutely nothing to thank for! I'm with all of you being in a somewhat comparable situation - be strong, be safe - all of you out there!

We've just this one chance -this one and only life- and damn, it's so precious, we ultimately have to make the best out of it.

It's a chance i just don't wanna waste - anymore!
 
Hey out there,

just wanted to let all of you know that my Situation has greatly improved!

Approx. 5-7 Days after T-Injection i felt much better, especially in combination with a though exercise Regimen 2x a week. While keeping me busy with loads of things i finally managed to do at home, the many movies and TV-Series (The Walking Dead =D) i watched and, dunno if it really made that much of a difference, supplemented with Tribulus Terrestris and an occasional DHEA/Resveratrol-Stack, i felt better with each and every day.

Sleep improved, mood improved, everything did...

I, of course, totally ceased taking Opioids/Opiates during that time and, as i felt *MUCH* better, topped all of that with an earthshattering trip consisting of a low dosed MXE/3-MeO-PCP-Combination, good old Lucy (~160-180µg) and an also low dosed 4-AcO-DMT/DPT-Combo for boosting purposes.

A night i'll surely won't forget!

After that one i felt and was where i so much wanted to be (again) - even though i knew of the possibilites of fucking up my good mood and overall condition.

But i was very well-prepared and felt fine to do so, and so it was just pure fun and something that gave me back a mindstate of which i thought i had lost forever...

I've got an Prescription for Instant Release Morphine now for acute Pains, but just take Gabapentin in high(er) doses if needed atm.

The Day will come when i need this Morphine, that's for sure, but i'll surely think twice before taking it just for recreational purposes.

A whappy-slappy new Year to all of you here @ Bluelight!

Stay safe and remember: there's always a bright-shining Sun behind the grey Curtains that sometimes arise in our lives!
 
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Sooo happy to hear you're doing better THCified! I hope you continue to make progress <3 Happy New Year to you, too.
 
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