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Keif' Richards

Keif' Richards

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Alright so here's the deal. I live in New Hampshire/Mass and get heroin on a fairly consistent basis. The last 4-5 times I have picked up I have noticed what I would call a peculiarity in the effects.

I'm an IV user and I have a pretty good idea on how much to dose and whatever, even with the varying quality that heroin is known for. There seems to be at least some continuity in the quality and potency of the product I receive from my usual hooks which makes it easier. I've never had a serious OD situation but a couple close calls. My point is that I know at least somewhat what I'm talking about. Now onto the tricky part, trying to describe the effects of this dope I've gotten which I believe has a sort of cut that up until this point in my usage has remained foreign to me.

I understand the possibility that a lot of this experience is placebo or in other words in my own head but I'll give it a go anyway. The rush is a little delayed, say instead of the usual 5-6 seconds I might say it's closer to the 10-12 second mark before it really comes on. I feel good/typical for about 2-3 minutes, than I get a far more intense sedation that what I would typically experience. To put it better, the rush that I get from this dope IS NOT proportionate to the amount of sedation that I experience shortly after. And granted sweating, and overall feelings of warmth are a given when using this drug, but this feeling has also been intensified, leaving me a perspiring mess for hours after dosing.

I've tried searching for an answer to this, and have come across several possibilities (Fentanyl, Diphen, etc.). I'm mainly looking for someone to chime in from New England who might have gotten something similar to this, but I know I might be dreaming on that one. Any opinion/answer is appreciated. I hope I described my "symptoms" accurately enough for someone to give at least a rough approximation. Thanks in advance and ask for clarification if needed
 
I am not a heroin user, however I have been using fent for the past month for pain managemnt. I makes me sweat like a bitch.. so much that the patches fall off... Also when I have a patch on It dropped my tolerance to my BT meds significantly. This may or may not help you.. but just my experience. I have also heard of heroin being cut with fent.. Hope this helps... Good luck on your search!
 
I think it could be the diphenhydramine thats making you even more sleepy. they might have put more than usual in there.

but really, nobody can tell you what the cut is without actually being there and doing the same dope.
 
Right that's what I figured. My bet was on fentanyl personally, just looking for opinions. I wasn't sure honestly if diphenhydramine goes into dope regularly or if that was just that cheese shit I heard about a couple years ago...
 
from what I understand, the "cheese" stuff was dope cut with tylenol PM which means it contained acetaminophen which would make it really only useful to snort.

but diphenhydramine is a cut thats used all over the country, and people don't want to admit it.

in St.Louis they use a brand called "Dormin" because it cooks down so good" but you can also use brand name Benadryl (the capsule kind, not the pill kind) if you use generic benadryl is gels up.

but I'd say that diphenhydramine is probably one of the most used cuts nowadays because it ads to the nod, and it helps with the itching.
 
oxymoron310 said:
It could be cut with procaine, you IV heroin cut with it and you nod HARD.
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No this is a falsity. Procaine does not have recreational effects please research you information before spreading it around.

Ref:http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=472856


While this would beyond most people technical knowledge it is possible to buy your heroin in bulk and do and extraction.

Dissolve the street heroin in water.
Use the easily available Hydrion pH papers to monitor the pH during this procedure. Add Sodium Hydroxide in solution dropwise while checking the pH. Use a narrow glass or plastic rod to touch a minimum of the drug solution to the paper to avoid loss. Stop when the pH reaches about 9.
Extract with chloroform. Chloroform is far superior to diethyl ether in that it is non-flammable and does not present storage problems, where explosive peroxides can be formed. Note: Chloroform is an ideal solvent for heroin, codeine, and most other opiates, with the major exception of morphine which requires a mixed solvent.
Separate the chloroform layer and wash with a minimum quantity of cold water: 1-2 ml works well. Evaporate the chloroform taking care not to burn the residue on the bottom of the beaker. Note: Chloroform is a known carcinogen, so plenty of ventilation (and a respirator) would be advisable. The chloroform is so volatile that this step is actually quite easy to perform.
Add a dilute solution of HCl dropwise while stirring with a glass rod. Monitor the pH closely. As the acid is being added, the diacetyl morphine base is being neutralized and converted into the water-soluble hydrochloride salt form.
When all the solid material has just dissolved, stop adding the HCl. I found that this takes place around pH 5-6. Note: If one tries to bring the pH all of the way up to 7, the free base alkaloid precipitates back out requiring addition of more HCl.
The resulting solution will be in an injectable form; it will now be completely clear with no colored impurities or particulate matter.
Having clarified this procedure, I would hope that nobody would actually attempt it. To an experienced chemist this is all so routine that you could do it blindfolded. But I noticed that even the college students in my Organic lab class, who had no prior organic chemistry experience, were remarkably clueless around a separatory funnel the first time. This is to say that what is trivial in the hands of an experienced chemist will likely be unusable (at best) and dangerous (at worst) in the hands of an amateur. This chemistry isn't to be played with.
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If you use this teK please make sure you have a DECENT set of Mg scales
,if yours are under 100$ or not calibrated i wouldn't trust them for this. This many be a bit of an anal decision but i have little faith in low quality scales.
 
Like I said I had pretty good money on fentanyl, but my counter argument is that the high/nod was very long lasting (nodding reasonably for over 6 hrs after last injection). I think I might just have to say case closed and call it diphenhydramine, that might be as close as I can get
 
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