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Opinion - Heroin sucks

elaborate chase, why do you think I am so far removed from the reality of the role drugs play in our society? On the contrary I think I do understand the role drugs play and thats why I am saying, if we want to curb drug abuse we need to change our cultural attitudes toward drugs and what their purpose is.

I like the natural drugs especially for this reason, its one thing to say people shouldn't take highly potent addictive and deadly chemicals like methamphetamine for fun and access should be restricted. but access to natural plants?

I argue that when you try to make nature illegal, it is proof something has gone wrong in the life philosophy of your society. It's part of our fear/hatred of nature in my opinion, that we demonize plants just as we have learned to demonize and fear many other natural things like the subconscious. As Terrence Mckenna so eloquently put it, the issue facing us is this question: "Is nature God or is nature the devil?"

I see it as a part of a false Christian morality that we have somehow allowed to be imposed on us and bought into ourselves. The belief/worship of the male God up above, oppression of women/fear hatred for the feminine, nature and bodily enjoyment all tie into this.

I have studied the Bible and in the book of wisdom it says

For he fashioned all things that they might have being;
and the creatures of the world are wholesome,
and there is not a destructive drug among them
nor any domain of the netherworld on earth,
for justice is undying.

Granted this book was removed from the Protestant Bible but it here is scriptural proof that plants based drugs are wholesome and not destructive, created by God for a purpose (and I am guessing that purpose was not for them to be demonized and made illegal in place of chemicals were are destructive).

So how did we go from this ancient understanding of God's presence in and purpose for nature to current Christian "morality" which many people seem to think should be anti-drug/ in favor of prohibition?

Modern Christians do not connect God with nature anymore. Many ancient Christian saints (including Jesus) spent time or lived their whole lives in the dessert. Ancient peoples understood that the patterns, operations and intelligence of nature is part of or a reflection/manifestation of the intelligence of the divine.

Now we live cut off from nature, with no understanding of her mysteries and whenever something is discovered that might reveal some of them to us (like an etheogenic mushroom) the first response is FEAR and demonization and the second is ridicule (those crazy hippies who think mushrooms expand your mind). There is no more faith/trust in nature, instead we have placed it in the hands of corrupt "authority" figures who have demonstrated over and over again that they don't have our best interests at heart as well as a general ineptness even in the rare instances they do mean well.

Its not a conspiracy, its fact. Look at the under handed tactics of the pharmaceutical companies.
I've heard it joked that God must be some sort of "head" because he created so many psychoactive plants (literally hundreds)

Now further, I would argue that this very alienation from nature and the natural order of things, is a big part of what fuels the addiction and desperation that plagues so many. I was no different. Deeply unsatisfied with my life in this society, I turned to drug abuse. It was through years of experimentation that I finally began to realize that plants were not our enemy and can actually be used for good.

And rather than look at this as naive or delusional, on the contrary I'd argue many other people are waking up to this same ancient knowledge. When I was 18, I never though that in a decades time I would be able to walk into a dispensory and choose from 40 strains of marijuana. The massive changes we have seen in the cannabis laws are a direct example of people waking up out of the fear/demonization mindset toward nature/plants and beginning to see that they can have benefits when used in an intelligent matter and that prohibition is not a good policy. America is supposed to be about freedom, how much freedom do you really have when you can go to jail for growing a plant that helps you? As NOFX said "are we men or are we children?"

Ironically its most likely the children that keep plants illegal. As I said before, people dont think rationally about emotional topics so whenever a politician mentions legalizing drugs they lose votes from all the parents who are so scared that their kids might try drugs.

I realize we have a long way to go, but so many positive changes are happening not even just with cannabis but the recent psilocybin studies and MDMA psychotherapy. I am saying we need to change our cultural attitude and begin looking at drugs the powerful medicines which they are. Once more people see them in this light, they will naturally be more inclined to think "Hmmm, I wonder if I could cure my depression through ayahasca or San Pedro ceremonies rather than being dependent on prozac the rest of my life). It will take decades of course, but people are waking up.
 
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You see some things, you see the corruptness, but you're failing to see the largest variable; MONEY. That's what is causing dispensaries to pop up, not people waking up, the whole cannabis movement is based on money. That pharmaceutical companies are based on money. They want people addicted, they spend money on their product, they spend money on rehab, then money on a different product to help them get clean! Money is everything is this world, I don't like it, but it's the way it is, and it's the reason for why things are the way they are..


- Hopeless Soul
 
Well, yes of course money is at the root of the corruption of the medical industry and I agree that they are a force to be reckoned with. I was listening to a lecture by Ross Heaven the other day and he said that if for example, a plant based cure for a serious illness is discovered in South America and then brought back here and taken to the board of representatives for a pharmaceutical company they are going to do whatever they can to reject it because they would literally be out millions of dollars that they make on their pharmaceuticals "treatments". WHo wants a natural cure that could make a patient well in one or two sessions?

But the average person knew/understood how their doctors is for example allowed their son/daughter to die because they want more power/money/are a pawn of the pharmaceutical industries they would be absolutely OUTRAGED. There must be some way to wake enough people up to see enough of whats going on in order to spark some type of real change. Of course the media is controlled by the same powers that desire to keep the masses ignorant.

I see what youre saying though. The government definitely isn't going to step in and say "hey addiction has plagued this nation for long enough. Prohibition has cost billions and not solved the problem at all. Lets try a different approach. Lets tell people the truth. Lets make the less harmful natural drugs more available so people learn how to use them and create a new "drug culture" based on a celebration of life instead of the desire to run away from it." Definitely not gonna happen.
 
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Be careful with the opium. I've read that in the western world unless you grow your own poppies, that most of what's sold as opium that people smoke is really heroin.

A friend of mine used actual opium once but he took it orally with tea. Other people who I know who became addicted to heroin told me how if you have gotten high on opiates like oxy, hydrocodone, or a moderate or large dose of codeine that the high from dope is basically similar but a lot more sedating and easier to overdose and die from.
 
heroin does indeed suck. Well the high doesnt but everything ekse that comes with using it does. I live in baltimore and liyterally half my h.s friends are heroin addicts. My generation got addicted to oxys which lead to heroin. Amd i jist lost a sober friend who relapsed last week and is now dead from a overdose. I lost too many people to count.
Now im stuck on methadone but shit its free and i get a month of takehomes. So other than methadone is super hard to quit it beats walking down Pennsylvania ave in bmore to cop so fentanyl laced dope. I wish they would nust sell raw briwn heroin. They got this shit down here in pill caps thats called scambled. Its white slighly clumpy and has a shit load of benita in it. It collapses your veins faster than regaular brown raw heroin aswell.
 
Well, convince the addicts like myself that. Sure, it is no hydromorphone, it is a little duller, but it last a lot longer, and can about equally as fun and terrible.
 
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If people are in extreme pain, then using a drug like opium to bring relief and allow them some enjoyment in life isn't necessarily the same as mindlessly abusing drugs in my opinion.
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Generally, I don't see drug abuse as mindless. Don't want to derail the convo but I had to say it.
 
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Where did you read that?.. and by 'the western world' where are you talking about?
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Probably talking about 'merika.. I will add on the west coast, yeah your opium prolly is bth, on the east coast not so much. Although in the end there really is no difference between opium and bth, besides some alkaloids and potency, the taste is extremely different.. One tastes sweet, the other tastes like chemicals..


- Hopeless Soul
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Be careful with the opium. I've read that in the western world unless you grow your own poppies, that most of what's sold as opium that people smoke is really heroin.

A friend of mine used actual opium once but he took it orally with tea. Other people who I know who became addicted to heroin told me how if you have gotten high on opiates like oxy, hydrocodone, or a moderate or large dose of codeine that the high from dope is basically similar but a lot more sedating and easier to overdose and die from.
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I am an ex heroin addict, so I know the difference between opium and heroin. You are correct that most of the "opium" sold in the USA is black tar heroin or incense but my opium was the real deal, imported from India. The effects are so different from heroin I thought it was fake at first, because I didn't think opium and heroin could be that different in effect. But once I lay back in my bed and felt my body glowing with opiate pleasure I realized it wasn't fake afterall.
 
OP: I skimmed some of your posts, so I'm sorry if you covered this already, but could you clarify exactly what entheogenic lessons opium has provided for you? I mean, I like the stuff, but I can't say I've found the experiences to be valuable in a way akin to psychedelics as you seem to be suggesting. It has a more rounded (albeit weaker) high than heroin.... other than that it aint all that special compared to other opioids.

People get addicted to weaker opiates like codeine too - granted they are less harmful than heroin relatively speaking, but I think your argument for widespread opium use being good for humanity is pretty weak. The fact that opium is natural is irrelevant to its value, and it is silly to think otherwise. Nature is full of substances that are downright dangerous to ingest, whereas there are plenty of synthetic substances of recreational and medicinal value. The suggestion that there is some sort of inherent property whereby naturally occuring substances are somehow more wholesome is wishy-washy nonsense.

Also, your suggestion that bluelight is founded on a mindset borrowed from anti-drug propoganda shows a misunderstanding of what bluelight is trying to achieve. The aim of the forum is to provide an honest discussion of drug experience in the real world, so that others can learn how to be more safe in there use. You made it seem as though bluelight is somehow brainwashed into thinking "drugs are bad" because of the harm reduction goal - but the reality is there are a lot of dangers involved in drug taking, so it is in the interest of drug users to educate themselves so that they can make better informed choices in their use. Just because we don't burry our heads in the sand and preach a holier than thou approach to the benefits of drug taking doesn't mean bluelight has been duped by propoganda; the forum simply provides an honest depiction of the lifestyle, and the very real risks that come with it.

Edit: FWIW, I feel safer smoking heroin freebase than I do drinking poppy pod tea. It's difficult to guage how strong your brew is going to be until it hits you, whereas smoking heroin isn't too much more risky than smoking opium - you can't really smoke fast enough to overdose without passing out first. At least I imagine you'd really have to be trying to overdose to manage it by that route. (Please someone correct me if I'm wrong there.)
 
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7nos-SS373dOH said:
While I agree with most of your optimistic idiology, that's just it, it's 'optimistic'. Sure you can get that rich kid from the suburbs to buy in, cause he doesn't 'need' to escape, there's some people who have extreme pain, or are going through HARD times, which require HARD drugs to escape the STRUGGLE.. lol it's real for some people!


- Hopeless 7nos
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Thank you, put perfectly.
 
I hope you do understand that the problem is drug war not the drug itself. Why someone OD's? Because the quality of drug is unknown. Why someone loose his arm due to infection? Because no clean needles and clean drug. Why addict needs to go rob or steal? Because the drug war keeps the prices very high. Why someone has to go WD? Because the drug is expensive and maybe hard to get. IF the drugs were legalized and controlled by the authorities it would be much easier to quit, you could go from heroin to weaker and easier to quit opiate without problems.
 
I have to disagree with OP. I have done many opiates including opium and nothing compares to the high of the right dose of IV heroin. The problem is most people do too much heroin when they IV so they get the negative side effects
 
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I have to disagree with OP. I have done many opiates including opium and nothing compares to the high of the right dose of IV heroin. The problem is most people do too much heroin when they IV so they get the negative side effects
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I think it helps greatly if person doesnt IV anything. I know any long term heroin users who only smoke it, IV is almost always very fast way to the rock bottom.
 
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