Opiates to Replace Alcohol

[30roxi30]

Yes....if you're popping pills to get high every day, you're on a downward spiral before you even got to the good stuff. Some people use opiates for their pain & it is supervised threw their doctor but they can still get out of control, we all know this.

A guy I know once told me he can take 25 percs & not feel much because his tolerance was so high. My opinion to that is, if you get to that stage, its time to quit because you will eventually be doing the hard stuff.







90% of people i know at pain clinics and get meds from there doc are addicts its the people that dont need them that cant...that is because addicts want them more

i to can take over 300mg of oxy at once and let me tell you ...its not as easy as saying to just quit

you can have your own opinion but im telling you that you have to go threw opiate addition to understand it

 

[bpayne]

yeah the words "just quit" are not synonymous with Opiate use, I also use to be the guy that was like Hey just deal with being sick, you've had the flu before right, and that was my ignorance before I experienced myself, because opiate withdrawals are waaay more than just a "flu", the body sensations and restless leg syndrome by itself is worse than any flu I've ever had, not to mention the diareah, vomiting, stomach cramps, body aches, shakes, cold chills, sweating, anxiety, depression, lethargy, overall feeling of wanting to kill yourself just to make it go away.
Just stopping is virtually impossible for someone physically dependent on opiates, that's not to say it can't be done or hasn't been done, but most people don't have the willpower and or the fortitude to put themselves through that torture when relief is just a few pills away.

I remember I use to think Cocaine was bad, I once was a heavy user of cocaine staying up for a week at a time doing coke, even smoking hard,. whatever form I could get it, and when I ran out I craved it baad, I thought I was going through withdrawals, in hindsight it was ALL mental, after about a month of not doing coke I didn't even think about it anymore, and at the time I thought that was hard, shiiiiiiit piece of cake compared to opiate withdrawal where when I came off of those, it's not like you just want it and crave it really bad like coke, your body PSYSICALLY gets sicker than you've ever been in life without it, you literally cannot function without it,
so NO when you get to a 25 percocet a day tolerance(btw hope he is doing cwe's or just getting roxy or oc)

You cannot JUST STOP

 

[amapola]

what im just tryig to say is that prob 80% of high school/collage kids drink on weekends and not many turn into alcoholics

Imagine if 80% went threw a stage were they did opiates on the weekends

That's a valid point, perhaps a little off topic, but the main issue is why they are choosing to drink. For most it is a way to have fun on the weekends, for some it is a way to forget about their stressed out life and escape from painful existence every weekend, and maybe some weekdays. If you even offered them all free heroin not many would accept. and those that did would be the ones who would get addicted because of why they are accepting. I'm sure bluelight has had articles on that 'mouse-spa' where mice are offered heroin or clean water. The mice in crowded cages choose heroin and the mice in pimped out cages choose plain water. Even the stupid highschool kids who try the heroin and are happy with their lives might not like it.

That would be a good experiment. Get 50 adult professionals and 50 homeless people. Give them each a hit of heroin, ask them if the want more report their responses

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

I highly disagree 1,000%

(he is disagreeing that being an opiate addict is worse than alc)

i used to think the same thing bud

either you have just started using opiates

in denial about your addiction

or you have never been addicted to an opiate.

it is way more managable to be addicted to alc two fold than it is to be addicted to an opiate.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

(he is disagreeing that being an opiate addict is worse than alc)

i used to think the same thing bud

either you have just started using opiates

in denial about your addiction

or you have never been addicted to an opiate.

it is way more managable to be addicted to alc two fold than it is to be addicted to an opiate.

It's just not making any since, alcohol withdrawal can be fatal, opiate withdrawal is just uncomfortable...

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

opiate WDs are not just uncomfortable, idk if you hve been thru WDs before, but its not just uncomfortable...

it is way more managable to be addicted to alc than opaites, a lot more.

 

[TheLostBoys]

opiate WDs are not just uncomfortable, idk if you hve been thru WDs before, but its not just uncomfortable...

it is way more managable to be addicted to alc than opaites, a lot more.

I disagree. I would say there are different levels of alcholism as there are different levels of opiate use. I know people using 2 to 3 hydrocodone pills a day for 5 years straight without upping their usage. Just like the guy that drinks a scotch when he gets home from work everyday but needs that scotch.

It goes both ways I guess that it could be worse for either side but ive seen way too many lives ruined by alcohol. I know of 10 people with atleast 1 DUI, dont know of any with getting pulled over for using opiates. I just see alcohol as one of the stupidest drugs anyone can do.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Alcohol makes you dumberer because its neurotoxic in high doses. Less risk of overdose though IMHO.

 

[SkagKush]

Depends on the severity of opiate use/abuse... But when it comes down too it and your tolerance skyrockets.. the prices are insane but you pay them so you can avoid the inevitable sickness and will basically rob rape and steal even from your own mother to get your fix then we'll see what's worse. I'm not sure you have any clue of how bad opiate addiction can get.

You can be losing your business, your house and quality of life but guess what... It's all good if you're nodding out.. cause then you don't have a care in the fucking world.

Alcoholism and Opiate addiction are two different monsters.

same is true with booze.....

it can have an equally damaging effect.......

and there is the other alternative....being a drunk and a junkie at the same time....

 

[Violenza666]

same is true with booze.....

it can have an equally damaging effect.......

and there is the other alternative....being a drunk and a junkie at the same time....

That would be horrendus.

 

[amapola]

^It probably wouldn't last long :S

 

[mymindisgoo]

essentially your just replacing one drug with another.. if someones drug of choice is alcohol.. so be it.

 

[SkagKush]

That would be horrendus.

trust me it is.....

i did it for three years.....

now that im on bupe, i dont drink nearly as much anymore, and im off the dope......

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I didn't replace alcohol for opiates. I was using both, what a mess. I was ALSO using benzodiazepines, ketamine and marijuana. My brain was fried I'm sure. I DON'T REMEMBER THOSE DAYS AT ALL! From ages 19-22 are a complete blur. I overdosed only once during those years with a catheter in my penis hole. Count me lucky. Believe me, you have never felt pain until you have a catheter in your penis.

 

[SkagKush]

^ woah.....

we have identical stories.............

edit, with the drug use...... i had a catheter once to....but thats a whole different story.....

actually thats where i got OC first.............

 

[unsettled]

I think the real question is are you an addict?

If you are a true addict you will take any thing/drug you do too far and it will have negative consequences. So for true addicts it doesn't matter if it's opiates or alcohol or both because either one is going to destroy you just in different ways.

If an Alcoholic was forced to abandon Alcohol but given Opiates instead I'm sure they'd overdo Opiates. Basically they'd be unconscious every night either way. If you're drug of choice is the most important thing in your life it's going to take it's toll on your life even if you can control it/moderate it.

For me Weed was the culprit, 15 years of daily use with no problems until one day it started to make me nuts, so I stopped. I substituted it with Alcohol and other pills when they were around, eventually the Alcohol was killing me, I could feel my body dying, I never really blacked out but I just drank constantly. So I quit...

And started to take Opiates more seriously and quickly realized they were a full time job, (drinking had been my previous full time job, so I was just switching jobs I guess...)

I immediately felt better, friends thought I had gotten sober and I quickly realized I didn't have as many friends as I thought, because drunks are annoying as hell when you're on opiates...

Opiates actually helped me until I got to Heroin, but I really feel that if Opiates were as available as Alcohol that they are by far the healthier choice. I never wanted to be wasted constantly on Opiates (or Alcohol for that matter), I enjoy the ability to function on them but by the time I got to Heroin there was no time to function normally because every moment is spent trying to figure out how you're going to get your next fix. If I was rich and didn't have to worry about supply so much I would have stayed on H for who knows how long.

Now, like many people on here, I'm on Suboxone and Klonopin daily, basically two prescribed versions of Opiates and Alcohol except they are easier to maintain, but still, the cost of my monthly psychiatrist visit plus prescriptions is basically my other rent that I have to pay every month.


To sum up my thoughts on this subject, I agree that in a perfect world Opiates are the better choice because they aren't bad for you physically when used responsibly and you can function on them. I can't stand more than the occasional drink these days. It's the fact that Opiates are illegal without a prescription that makes them more problematic than Alcohol IMO.

An addict is an addict and will fuck up their life with Alcohol, Opiates, or Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches so it's kind of a moot point when dealing with true out of control addicts.

If you can use Opiates or Alcohol just occasionally then neither is a problem.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

Alcohol poisoning is one of the top direct drug death causes...

Alcohol poisoning is hard and uncommon? Have you heard of Everclear?

Who's Everclear?

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Everclear is 75 or 95 percent grain alcohol depending on where you live...

 

[Chipping Away]

Well,,, seems like everytime I kick I start drinking. When I'm taking hydro or oxy I don't feel like drinking. So I think it works, but a very bad replacement.

 

[bronson]

Closed. This is a bump of a very old thread. If anyone still has issues on it they would like to discuss feel free to start a new thread. PM any questions.