• Welcome Guest

    Forum Guidelines Bluelight Rules
    Fun 💃 Threads Overdosed? Click
    D R U G   C U L T U R E

Opiates - The 'easy button' of drugs?

solokatz

solokatz

Bluelighter
Joined
Aug 21, 2009
Messages
57
On an acid trip some time ago, I came to a realization while looking at a friend who dosed quite a good amount of amount of oxycotton... Opiates are nothing but a high.

I've done my share of opiates in my time. I have never gone throgh addiction so I can't speak from that point of view, and i'm sorry if I offend anyone who has. But it seems that every drug I have consumed has offered me something except opiates. On opiates you just feel good. That's all there is to it.

I mean.. It's kinda sad really. The drug is evil. It hooks people and takes control of their minds..
 
Last edited:
yes opiates are basically just tools that play with the chemicals that make humans want to be.

thats why theyre so hard to get off of :p

on oxy or morph i can get the occasional visual/hallucination especially if i smoke
 
I disagree. Opioids can provide a profound euphoria that makes one more interested in noticing and participating in beautiful and industrious activities or things around them.

Food tastes better, work done is more fulfilling, making love is more dynamic, hobbies become more interesting, motivation to 'do' in life feels easier.

I'm of the opposite opinion than you, that empathogens and hallucinogens of all classes are a false 'epiphany', an illusion of feelings and thoughts that weren't present to begin with. I think they cloud the mind and body from the person underneath, which opioids focus in on.
 
^I agree with you about opiates, not about empathogens and hallucinogens. But I know opiates can greatly inhance daily activities and make life generally better, and they're also my favorite anti-depressent for when I'm super anxious or depressed (I don't take benzos, although I've always found opiates to work better then benzos). They have a lot of potential value other then just a high in my opinion.

Also- opiates aren't evil. Calling an inanimate object, or rather a class of chemicals, evil is silly. Also it's funny to hear opiates described as bad considering all the drugs out there that are far worse (most common drugs). Also, you said that you've never been an addict, which means opiates have never taken control of your mind and hooked you. No drug is evil, they simply are, and as negative effects go, opiates are one of the lighter ones (seeing as they're non-neurotoxic and non-toxic to the body as well).
 
Tchort said:
I disagree. Opioids can provide a profound euphoria that makes one more interested in noticing and participating in beautiful and industrious activities or things around them.

Food tastes better, work done is more fulfilling, making love is more dynamic, hobbies become more interesting, motivation to 'do' in life feels easier.

I'm of the opposite opinion than you, that empathogens and hallucinogens of all classes are a false 'epiphany', an illusion of feelings and thoughts that weren't present to begin with. I think they cloud the mind and body from the person underneath, which opioids focus in on.
Click to expand...

QFT. All the deep realizations I have had on psychs were cool...but they didn't relate to my daily life. That is with the exception of some I realized on pot. But I've had so many realizations on pot that some of them are bound to be good!

Opiates just make every day life better. They allow you to focus on your day instead of on 10 years from now like with psychs. Sure its kind of an easy button in that its a guaranteed good time unlike with psychs. But that's why there so damn good.

EDIT: Also psychs can take over your mind. I know someone who has eaten hundreds of tabs of acid and bunches of shrooms. He's a nice guy but he's a bit out there.
 
Tchort said:
I think they cloud the mind and body from the person underneath, which opioids focus in on.
Click to expand...

I agree. Psychedelics in my opinion give a false impression of profundity, which upon closer inspection is revealed to be entirely vacuous. It's the chemical version of Khalil Gibran's poetry.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble OP but you were TRIPING ON ACID!! what you think while triping is the opposite of when you are sober. Opiates have great euphoria, legs...etc. They are king in my mind.=D
 
easy when youre not addicted, maybe. Seems few use without addiction though, thats the other edge of the sword. IMO amphetamine>opiates.
 
Tchort said:
Most use without becoming addicted/dependant.
Click to expand...

Lol. Most herion users aren't addicted?

LSD can be used for mental work, exploring your mind and altering your self. Opiates make you feel warm and good inside. Both have their purposes.
 
lostPixels said:
Lol. Most herion users aren't addicted?
Click to expand...

Most arent. Even NIDA estimates only 23% of people who use heroin are addicted. While thats still a proportionately large number, it still means the vast majority of junk users are not addicted.

I think most people have a fallacy of using an availability heuristic when it comes to thinking about heroin addiction. Junkies are more noticeable, and theyre presented to you more often in the media and on this board. I've known alot of heroin users who never became addicted, and you didn't know them already, you wouldn't suspect them of use.
 
I have personally never realized anything while tripping that I couldn't have put together myself while sober. For me, psychedelics are definitely a high of sorts. IMO opiates are a better high. Either way you're getting high... if you want to say you use x drug to make y activity better/more involving/of higher quality, well drug x and activity y are different for everyone, so no need to hate.
 
I read an interesting article about how people actually only increase their opiate dosages up to a certain level, then they stay at that dosage. And the reason "junkies" are always looking for the next fix is that they don't have reliability in their supply.

I think this is it:

http://www.opioids.com/

^SirTophamHat, I've never had occasion to try opiates myself, so take this with a chunk of salt, but I find it hard to believe that opiates could beat the potential euphoria of psychs. Psychs have the unique ability to cause thought loops and time dilation, so that good feelings are multiplied and seem to last a very long time. Of course, that's why bad trips are also the worst with psychs...
 
Well, I tried psychedelics long before pain killers. The euphoria is admittedly pretty different. On psychs you might feel that all of your problems in life have been solved, or that their solutions are profoundly more simple and apparent. On opiates I'm still aware of my problems, even of the fact that I'm escaping from them. The thing is though, I believe that psychedelics hold the same potential for escapism. In my case, psychedelics actually increased my anxieties and depression, whereas opiates at least give me that feeling of security. For sure I have felt on top of the world with psychedelics, and I'm sure if I chose to take a fat rip of the DMT I don't have right now I'd love it. Psychedelic euphoria I think might be more subjectively intense... it feels like you are understanding the universe and existence on a deeper level, while on heroin/oxy/hydrowhatever it's just a warm, numb, sense of complacency. There are a lot of people on these boards that think that psychedelics are in a class of their own, for some reason not addicting, less dirty, or more productive. I used to think that way too, but now I believe that a drug is a drug, they're just chemicals we use to alter our state of mind in pleasurable ways. Problems with any substance come from irresponsible use, typically self-medication of some sort.
 
all drugs reveal something about ourselves and have their purpose. and if you think being taken to far extremes of emotions and life from addiction is not a learning experience u are wrong
 
I get quite the high and euphoria from opiates especially tramadol when taken in sufficient amounts especially through CWE:)

I've been on opiates for 3 months straight for a shoulder surgery I'm hoping I won't be going through withdrawls when my script runs out.
 
i kind of agree with you, pharm opiates are just a high, i find though that poppy tea is different, its not just a high. ive never tried opium but i bet thats not just a high either.
 
First off, I am an opiate addict and know how fantastic they are. They beat any SSRI for depression in my book, make me a masterful guitar player, make me a fantastic worker bee, etc etc. Psychedelics are misunderstood by many but those of us who have been shown the world behind the world, and have learned to paint masterpiece paintings with nothing more than our minds on any given wall, know that these two "drugs" are nowhere near each other. One has pushed forth evolution and the other has crippled an entire country and set them behind the rest of the world(China). To each his own.....but my chi is better than your chi :)
 
You know what I think is really great? taking acid WITH heroin ;)

OP I'm not sure what your point is? acid is better than heroin? that's good for you man we all have our drug of choice.

on opiates you just feel good? every other drug has offered you something else?

what great spiritual realization has coke offered you? pcp? xanax? do tell, please.
 
solokatz said:
On an acid trip some time ago, I came to a realization while looking at a friend who dosed quite a good amount of amount of oxycotton... Opiates are nothing but a high.

I've done my share of opiates in my time. I have never gone throgh addiction so I can't speak from that point of view, and i'm sorry if I offend anyone who has. But it seems that every drug I have consumed has offered me something except opiates. On opiates you just feel good. That's all there is to it.

I mean.. It's kinda sad really. The drug is evil. It hooks people and takes control of their minds..
Click to expand...

First, opiates/opioids are a class of drugs, not 'the drug'. And it doesn't take control of their minds, wtf kind of psychobabble propaganda have you been watching/reading?

Have you done methamphetamine or cocaine OP? You say every drug cept opioids offered you something, well did you do these drugs and you're saying they offered you something? I find that these are the drugs that are just 'euphoria' and nothing else, well stimulation too but opioids offer so many things. Pain management, help with depression/anxiety, euphoria, analgesia, help with insomnia, among many other things.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top