(Opiates) - Retrospective - The long road of Addiction: 17 Y/O w/ many experiences

[Doobiedaddy]

Don't know from personal experience but I heard Kratom is somewhat helpful for tapering off opiates.

 

[benzo bars]

That dose is WAY to high bro. start off around 2mg a day and see how you feel. If you feel compelled to start at the prescribed dose then you should start tapering ASAP.

I agree. I was pretty shocked about what the doctor said. I only got to the point where I was doing 300mg of morphine a day or IVing a full 100mg one. I only took the one yesterday and I still feel it right now, 24 hours later. I don't think I'm going to take my next dose until tomorrow and if I do I will try to cut it in half.

cool report dude, as a fellow opiate abuser some of the stories really hit home. just a random question... can you really catch a buzz snorting crushed up hydrocodones?? perhaps with a small tolerance? i thought i read years ago something about it needing to go through the liver to become active but i could totally be wrong.

and im not asking cause i wanna try - lol 8 pills would be a shitload of powder to go up the nose. CWE work wonderfully.

Yes, you'll get high. I'm dumb as fuck for doing that though because the acetaminophen fucks up your nose. I mean I definitely felt it faster and a bit more intense, but I never snorted them again after that. I just popped them but most cases I used CWE because of the large amounts I was taking.

8mg twice a day. god, i'm amazed how high the doses are they give people. 16mg of suboxone, i would say is akin to 600mg of oral morphine. perhaps even more.

you'll learn eventually that you can maintain just fine on 1 to 2mg a day. in fact, i got more euphoria from suboxone taking .5mg doses of suboxone 3 to 4 times a day than i did from the mega doses i was initially prescribed (16mg a day as well).

thats the problem with suboxone. you taper down to .5mg a day but you're still taking the equivalent of 20 to 30mg of morphine.

and when i got off of suboxone, it took two to three weeks for the sweats and insomnia to go away, but the crippling depression and lack of energy goes on and on. i've gone three months and didn't feel the slightest bit better.

Like I said, I'm pretty shocked at the amount I was prescribed and I'm sure I could maintain fine on a smaller dose. Also, I have read that smaller doses give you more euphoria and a better high so I plan on cutting my dose in half tomorrow.

 

[SPDemon420]

Citokid described it perfectly - It will work, just keep in mind that you're going to be stuck on it for a LONG time, and even after you quit it will take you a LONG time to get back to "normal" - I still take it, yes, but ive never been prescribed, which creates its own problems. I cant get them anymore and Ive tapered myself down to about .5mg a day, but I know the withdrawl is still going to suck. badly. Ive been down to .2mg a day, and the anxiety, sweats, etc are still as bad as a decent dope habit.

 

[benzo bars]

Citokid described it perfectly - It will work, just keep in mind that you're going to be stuck on it for a LONG time, and even after you quit it will take you a LONG time to get back to "normal" - I still take it, yes, but ive never been prescribed, which creates its own problems. I cant get them anymore and Ive tapered myself down to about .5mg a day, but I know the withdrawl is still going to suck. badly. Ive been down to .2mg a day, and the anxiety, sweats, etc are still as bad as a decent dope habit.

Why don't you try to get prescribed to Suboxone ? I couldn't imagine trying to taper myself off w/o any medical help. The withdrawals would be too unbearable.

 

[SPDemon420]

Why don't you try to get prescribed to Suboxone ? I couldn't imagine trying to taper myself off w/o any medical help. The withdrawals would be too unbearable.

I dont have any insurance, and the script is EXTREMELY expensive. The tapering has worked out quite well until now because my supply was cut off. The withdrawls are definitely hell tho, and im about to experience them again very soon. Im trying an extremely rapid taper atm because I only have 2 left, I take just enough to deal with the worst of it, and klonopin for the anxiety, but its still not fun.

Hows it working out for you, and what dose have you been taking?

 

[KingoDJ]

Im glad i read this report, Im not an opiate user, but its always enlightening to read a tale from an opiate user. i think a lot of naive narrow minded peole could learn alot about opiate addicts, and there reasons and general thought. it angers me to hear people speak so badly of "heroin" addicts when they have no idea. I wish you all teh best fella, as others have said, its a one way road that will get you in teh end if you keep going how you are, that old phrase of "you can have too much of a good thing"... i hope you keep this thread going, again my best wishes to you fella

 

[Opiyum!]

Yeah man I read this lastnight, def. a good read, it kept me going. Opiates are a mother fucker once you start fuckin around more than once a week..thats still really pushing it..it sucks so bad being hooked on that shit..idk I'm up late as fuck again..I wish you the best of luck! Taper slow and then kick that fucker..know that it WILL get better and before you know it..it wont be then anymore it will be now!

 

[Smokey_McPot]

pssst, hey guys... as someone mentioned earlier, kratom certainly works. when i ran out of strips i had no choice but to give it a shot because my daily habit was becoming too expensive. i was a skeptic, how can this stuff help with a tolerance like mine? i was buying handfuls of pills everyday wishing my guy would get more orange cause i was to the point of not getting a buzz anymore. after some research, i went to the local headshop and purchased 15 grams. 30 mins later i felt fine. i didnt have the confidence of a orange under my tongue but the fear and sweats went away. i was able to eat something... go to work, and even sleep.

im not saying to run out a buy some ASAP, but its great to know that you have something just in case your script runs out or if you cant afford a script in the first place. shit aint cheap. i was actually buying my orange from my pill man, so when he ran out i was SOL... had to go back to my retardedly high doses of hydro and oxy.

just saying... dont stress it... just talk a walk to your freindly neighborhood head shop.

 

[benzo bars]

Yeah man I read this lastnight, def. a good read, it kept me going. Opiates are a mother fucker once you start fuckin around more than once a week..thats still really pushing it..it sucks so bad being hooked on that shit..idk I'm up late as fuck again..I wish you the best of luck! Taper slow and then kick that fucker..know that it WILL get better and before you know it..it wont be then anymore it will be now!

I'm glad you liked it. I'm already taking a lower dose of my Suboxone so I'm working at it.
I spent a couple hours writing this. Maybe I should submit it to the report of the month ?

Im glad i read this report, Im not an opiate user, but its always enlightening to read a tale from an opiate user. i think a lot of naive narrow minded peole could learn alot about opiate addicts, and there reasons and general thought. it angers me to hear people speak so badly of "heroin" addicts when they have no idea. I wish you all teh best fella, as others have said, its a one way road that will get you in teh end if you keep going how you are, that old phrase of "you can have too much of a good thing"... i hope you keep this thread going, again my best wishes to you fella

Yeah I think it takes a lot for non addicted people to understand how addicts work and function. But I'm glad you liked it and hopefully more people read this report and enjoy it as much as everyone has so far.

 

[benzo bars]

pssst, hey guys... as someone mentioned earlier, kratom certainly works. when i ran out of strips i had no choice but to give it a shot because my daily habit was becoming too expensive. i was a skeptic, how can this stuff help with a tolerance like mine? i was buying handfuls of pills everyday wishing my guy would get more orange cause i was to the point of not getting a buzz anymore. after some research, i went to the local headshop and purchased 15 grams. 30 mins later i felt fine. i didnt have the confidence of a orange under my tongue but the fear and sweats went away. i was able to eat something... go to work, and even sleep.

im not saying to run out a buy some ASAP, but its great to know that you have something just in case your script runs out or if you cant afford a script in the first place. shit aint cheap. i was actually buying my orange from my pill man, so when he ran out i was SOL... had to go back to my retardedly high doses of hydro and oxy.

just saying... dont stress it... just talk a walk to your freindly neighborhood head shop.

I've heard of people stating that Kratom work on Erowid and I plan to give it a try if I ever need something. Good reassurance.

 

[ziggo]

I did IV heroin for about a year, and suboxone for about 6months(quit it cold turkey in jail) and I can say now I'm ok and fine being able to never use again. I haven't used ANY opiates at all in around 1 1/2 - 2 months and I'm doing great only smoking weed and doing a little DXM. My life is better than it's ever been & all it took was for the opiates to take me to the verge of suicide, over and over, and luckily I made it out alive.

 

[benzo bars]

I did IV heroin for about a year, and suboxone for about 6months(quit it cold turkey in jail) and I can say now I'm ok and fine being able to never use again. I haven't used ANY opiates at all in around 1 1/2 - 2 months and I'm doing great only smoking weed and doing a little DXM. My life is better than it's ever been & all it took was for the opiates to take me to the verge of suicide, over and over, and luckily I made it out alive.

Good to hear. Jail is the ultimate addiction breaker. I wish I could just stick to weed but the Suboxone feels good

 

[crOOk]

I hate opiates. The only time they've ever been useful was with 12% body surface 2nd degree burns in ICU. After that, just a total time waster. I have a huge affinite towards them, don't get me wrong. But I feel they could very well someday end my life and / OR cause a lot of sorrow for my loved ones. :/

 

[benzo bars]

I hate opiates. The only time they've ever been useful was with 12% body surface 2nd degree burns in ICU. After that, just a total time waster. I have a huge affinite towards them, don't get me wrong. But I feel they could very well someday end my life and / OR cause a lot of sorrow for my loved ones. :/

You seem more like an "upper" drug user than a "downer. I read your other post about amps and I think everyone usually prefers one over the other. This also has to do with overreactive and underreactive minds.

 

[crOOk]

trust me man, im a downer person. been one before i even knew what downers were. i can still remember the taste of the raspberry (codeine?) cough juice fed to me as a little kid when I had a really bad cold. I've had to deal with lots of pain since 2003. In 2008 came a burn injury which had me in burn icu for 5 or 6 days and a normal burn station for the rest of the time. That's were I really licked blood. 80mg Oxy/d, Morphine as needed, Piritramid IV when cleaning my wounds and all. I also have always considered myself a person with regressive tendencies and I'm often wound up in the same existential worries throughout years.
I've been afraid of IV Heroin since I'm 10. Not afraid like most people, just afraid, almost positive, that I'd like it way too fucking much. I'm trying to take my opioid addiction as slow as possible, if possible stop it altogether. If there's tramadol, give me tramadol, i got enzyme inducers and other boosters to make it well worth my while. If there's stronger stuff, it's hard to resist, but I guess I'm trying to substitute before the dependence has really begun. NO IV use yet with one drunken Hydromorphone fail under the shower. I'm constantly driving closer to opiate hell, like the Siren's singing on that ocean (I'm sure you've heard that story), drawing my boat into damnation. I steer in the other direction as long as I can. I'm scared as hell of them, especially of having to acquire them constantly!!

See, I got a daughter, needed to work, didn't get enough pay, so decided I'd become a doctor instead of a physiotherapist. I was sure that I couldn't do it without chemical aid though which I just now laid off. Aside from tonight I've never really been tempted to use uppers, not even in those 1.5yrs, only for functional reasons. I'd be like "Okay you'd best not sleep tonight and learn, otherwise you flunk the test tomorrow. Mmmm but then I won't eat properly either and will sleep like shit"
I find amphetamine to be an extremely impressive drug, even moreso after this freakish 300mg iv dose thing happening. It has turned my brain into a sponge and I'm thankful, but the proce was me turning into an asshole, so I quit. Never liked the stuff that much, only the purely academical gain in everyday life. Okay it allowed me to turn manic and program for days on end, but it all felt very sick and taxing. Glad I'm rid of it for now.

Never bought coke in my life either and only did amp for the past 18 months (drugs since 13 yrs altogether). I'm a huge pothead and opiate fan, trust me. Fuck uppers. They can be interesting, productive and fun. Not my idea of a good time though, unless there's sex involved. Neither is nodding in front of my pc for the whole night through. The latter does feel a lot better and warmer, that's for damn sure.

edit: see, ive never ever refused an opioid from anyone, but a friend constantly offers me free coke and i go "no thanks". :D Both have their own purposes though, that alone justifies their (and related medication's) spot in medicine.

im also slightly hypomanic at times and have had a manic episode. so even when off uppers like before those 18 months i had a tendency to spam end- and aimless incoherent rambling every now and then.

 

[ziggo]

Good to hear. Jail is the ultimate addiction breaker. I wish I could just stick to weed but the Suboxone feels good

No... Jail won't stop most peoples addictions, if anything all my times spent in withdrawal inside jail only made me want to use harder when I got out, and I did just that. The ONLY THING that really got me to stop opiates was to REALLY WANT AND TRY to kill myself, multiple times, inside of a jail, and end up failing even though I wished I wouldn't fail. I eventually realized I needed to stay alive and stop trying to end myself for good.

 

[Waxitup]

Thinking about starting methadone

I have insurance And I am thinking about going to a clinic to start a methadone maintenance program to get off of H. If I seek help via methadone clinic will it permanently scar my medical history or forever label me as a drug abuser? I started my addiction to norco,oxy contin, and fentanyl patches after a Terrible car accident. I was cut off of my pain meds and resorted to using heroin. Will starting methadone put a bad mark on my medical history? Please help.


-wax

 

[benzo bars]

No... Jail won't stop most peoples addictions, if anything all my times spent in withdrawal inside jail only made me want to use harder when I got out, and I did just that. The ONLY THING that really got me to stop opiates was to REALLY WANT AND TRY to kill myself, multiple times, inside of a jail, and end up failing even though I wished I wouldn't fail. I eventually realized I needed to stay alive and stop trying to end myself for good.

Well, when I went to jail I had horrific withdrawals. I stayed clean for a few weeks after (except for weed).

As for Waxitup, don't do methadone. Try Suboxone if you actually want to quit. I'm not sure about the medical record though, I'm pretty sure most of your medical records are confidential unless you say so otherwise.

 

[lazylazyjoe]

Jail is the poor man's detox. Sure sucks tho. WD is bad enough, but jail adds so many extra levels and challenges. But, youre all right. I had a habit within 3 weeks after being released. And I kicked a pretty big habit in jail. You think it would deter me by now, but no. My thought was I'd rather deal with WD later, than deal with my head currently. (That's a problem for future Joe, I tell myself)

@waxitup Having been on a methadone program won't necesarily stop you from getting meds if needed. As long as you have a real legit need and the doc doesnt think you're absuing/diverting, you should be ok. Hell, I went into surgery w/ track marks(and past MMT), and they still gave me, morphine, and methadone pre and post op. Ideally, you want your doctor to know if you're on methadone so they can act accordingly. And they're not allowed to share your medical history w/ anyone(unless they are on the list of people who the rule doesn;t apply). The problem comes with a federal law called HIPAA. It determines who has access to your medical records and who doesn't. Here are the list of people who are allowed complete access to your medical history from your doctor.

• life insurers,

• employers,

• workers compensation carriers,

• many schools and school districts,

• many state agencies like child protective service agencies,

• many law enforcement agencies,

• many municipal offices.

@BBars. Been following you over at OD. Had no idea you been thru that much, that young. Quite an interesting story. Made me jealous I wasted my youth being good and productive.... I didn't even touch my first opiate until 24. Well, enjoy it while you're still young. Hope you work things out for yourself eventually.


The only fortunate thing for me waiting until after I had a career, house, wife, money, etc, to use, I got a feel for what it's like to function independently sober in the real world. If you're crazy and wreckless young, you really never get that experience. (Not that it's a good thing, mind you. Sober life in the real world is what drove me to use in the first place )

 

[crOOk]

(Not that it's a good thing, mind you. Sober life in the real world is what drove me to use in the first place )

qft!