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(opiates) Heroin Tapering

motherofearth

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Hello Bluelighters,

I know, I know. The broad title and topic comprising it appear to be likely addressed by using the fucken search engine. But I didn't so that, I did this instead, so help me damn you!

I recently got clean from my 4 yr doap habit for all of 8 days. For the first 7 I took suboxone (4mgs max - .5mgs for the jump dose). I was sleeping well and working a lot so as far as I could tell I felt fine too. Being an addict though, this relatively pain free situation was unsatisfying to me, so I went back and scored a dub (0.3) and had at it. I stayed high between the next day to the next day and a half before of course I fed that back monkey again today, scoring a half (0.5).

And here in is my question: if I stop tonight completely how much pain/discomfort can I expect? More importantly, being I've no more easy suboxone access (that exgirlfriend has flown the coup atm), I've the equivalent of a single shot left. Should I break it down into several shots (prolly 3 max) and administer it as needed? Or should I just damn the torpedoes and take it all to the head? I work two jobs, and definitely get wild and weird hours for some shifts - like, shifts starting at 3-5am - which undeniably and frankly frighten me. I've very bad self-control unsurprisingly, but I feel like I'd have less trouble from such small amounts I'd only take to minimize the withdrawal. If executed correctly, I'd not be buying anymore.

I've tomorrow and Thanksgiving off, and I am fairly resilient when it comes to withdrawal, so I am (probably naively) hoping by the fresh morning of Friday, when I begin my 10 hr work day, I'll not be feeling too bad.... or maybe I will, especially if the prospective smaller shots don't succeed in a standard taper, but only drag things out.... for my fellow heroin addicts, what would you do?

Thanks in advance for any thoughtful replies. I've not posted in a little while on BL, but I wanna toss in: this community since I discovered it in late 2011 as a lurker, then when I registered in Spring 2012, up until my current saga of struggles has always been such an enriching place. I've taken away practices I now consider standard that truly have reduced harm to my body, and literally saved my life, as well as a few others in my vicinity. Drug addiction is a motherfucker we all know, but for those inexperienced dabblers just using on a single fateful weekend benefit in ways that can only be said to be life saving. So from the bottom of my heart, to everyone who works, moderates, shares, and makes this place the standard 'go-to' for harm reduction knowledge, thank you! This goes for not only the staff, but the everyday commenters as well. I hope to always have such warm and vital feelings aroused by the quality of this community.

Love,
MOE

....now: HELP MEH
 
Hey Moe, sorry I can't really relate with your experience...since I have never even had W/D's before (only a recreational user of opiates/drugs)....though I have read through many, many forums on Bluelight and Opiophile and I can tell you that one of the most popular OTC substances to ease W/D's out there is called LOPERIMIDE which is a full Mu opioid agonist, though it does not cross the blood brain barrier (does not affect CNS). It won't get you high, but it will help ease the W/D symptoms, especially the gastrointestinal ones including cramps and the shits.

I read on a forum somewhere about a guy went cold turkey after a 24/mg a day Suboxone habit...here is a similar blog, though not the same one. http://derekwmeyer.blogspot.ca/2011/02/experiment-2-weeks-off-buprenorphine.html

I wouldn't recommend that much loperimide considering your habit, maybe start with 7.5 mg loperimide in increments. Don't expect it to make you feel good, it will only ease the physical side effects of W/D, not the psychological. To easy that I would throw some benzos into the mix if you are looking for relief, or need sleep. Other drugs that might help and are usually easy to find are codeine and tramadol, but it sounds like you are trying to quit cold turkey instead of easing off..am I right? Even if you are...codeine is so shitty that I couldn't imagine you'd get addicted to it if using as a taper, it would provide physical relief at least a little. Just do a good CWE for harm reductions sake!

Hope that provided a little useful insight. Keep us posted man!
 
Oi there S_S, thanks for the quick turn around on the reply. I too have scoured the web reading large chunks of this site and opiophile at once. Always a productive use of time ;) As upi may've guessed from that: I am very familiar w/ loperamide. I'm looking at some sitting on the desk right now, just in case it comes to that, I feel it's helped moderately in the past, but not to the extent to where I'd call it a poor man's suboxone like some folks do. Also, the inevitable constipation can often times make it just not worth it for me. Thank you for that tip all the same 'cos that is good to suggest for ppl who've not heard of it.

To answer whether I'm going cold turkey or not, I'd direct you to my OP, where I'm asking if under the provided circumstances I should use my last shot to taper, or if I should just do the entire thing and plow headfirst into this motherfocker. Honestly, I've never had any success running the whole taper game, so I'mma just take that rationalization to the bank and use what I've left and hope for the best....

I guess a mod could move this to a TDS or Better Living Through Sobriety lol.

But yeah, to start I wrote up a schedule for tomorrow so I'm outta bed and moving around on my day off, as opposed to gestating.
 
Well regarding the cold turkey thing...from what I have seen amongst my junkie friends, the ones who were most successful at quitting for good were those that did so cold turkey style. I had another friend who ended up on Bupe for a year or two, and I think he's still on that shit! The other friend I had ended up finding god...but i'm not really into all that jesus stuff, but if it helps ya!
Anyhow, i'd say you seem like you have a lot of self control...I would take your final usual dosage/hit and then just quit cold turkey. Try and take whatever you can that isn't an opiate to ease the W/D's...but you know more about that that I do, and I hope to never learn myself haha!
 
You have no easy access to subs,or no access at all?
If you were able to score some bupe,id buy a couple of pills to help me mostly psychologically after i run out of H,having the bupe in me the first couple of days would prolly keep me from scoring dope if things/mood made a turn for the worse.

If you use those tiny bupe amounts for a couple of days after youre done with the H,i dont think youd experience any serious WDs,and maybe having a benzo or two would help.This is all my 2 cents,i dont think im more experienced at tapering off opiates than you are.

Good luck!
 
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