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Opioids Opiates cure for allergies?

Treefa

Treefa

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So all my life i've suffered from chronic allergies, sinusitus, all kinds of nasal/sinus problems. I go through a box of kleenex every 2 days.
Anyway, it seems like every time i take opiates(tramadol at the moment:p), i don't even have to blow my nose, and can breathe through my nose clear as a bell.
I know opiates release histamine, causing that itch, but technically shouldn't they congest my nose more instead of decongesting? I think they work better than any anti-histamine or decongestant i've tried...
Does anybody else get clear nasal passages when on opiates?

Idk where this belongs, so feel free to move it mods.
 
Opiates are not decongestants, sympathominetics (Norepinephrine reuptake inhibtors, beta agonists, alpha antagonists, etc) are. The most common ones are pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, salbutamol, amphetamine, etc.

The reason people get decongestant activity from tramadol and Kratom is because both have NRI (sympathominetic) actions, working in a similar way that Sudafed does: acting as a vasoconstrictor in the body and nose, reducing congestion.

Also, I find that tramadol makes breathing very enjoyable, like almost each breath is orgasmically soothing, probably due to the serotonin release. Tramadol is a very dirty drug, with many mechanisms of action on many receptors, but, imo, its opioid activity makes no difference towards congestion.
 
Tramadol is my go to drug for sinus infections. I get them chronically along with allergies. Also, invest in a neti pot (I feel like their spokeswoman on here). It will change your life.
 
*samsonite* said:
Tramadol is my go to drug for sinus infections. I get them chronically along with allergies. Also, invest in a neti pot (I feel like their spokeswoman on here). It will change your life.
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Lol, I feel like the chelated magnesium spokesperson.

I don't think opiates are a good TREATMENT for allergies, as a cure implies permanent relief of the symptom...
 
Opioids definitely have decongestant properties, and will dry up soggy sinuses completely, IME anyway. They don't exactly open up the nasal passages, but they do get rid of any mucus all throughout the respiratory system.

As for the allergies, I do think opioids reduce the immune system's response to allergenic pathogens, but I can't elaborate on the mechanism behind this effect. You are correct, they do cause histamine release, and it seems counterintuitive to think they would reduce allergy symptoms, but they do. Opiates = cure all.
 
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I've been asthmatic since birth and I've found that heroin will strangely both cause, as well as seem to "cure" my asthma symptoms. I've actually been hospitalized over five times for asthma attacks that started immediately upon stopping my heroin use. I've talked to many different doctors and other medical professionals about it, and some stated that opiates can cause histamine reactions in the bronchials, causing inflammation and mucous production. Others have told me that it is more likely an allergic reaction to one of the cuts in the dope, which seems to make sense as I've only experienced this problem with heroin (though heroin and morphine are known to have more side effects than the Thebaine derivatives like oxy, hydro or bupe, as well as methadone.)

Anyway, I think opiates offten feel as if they cure every ailment when offten they are just completely masking them.
 
Would the drop in blood pressure have any effect on the swelling in the sinus' from cold virus'?
 
Oops, I meant to also legitimately reply this but I must have nodded off.
I spent almost a year on the Oxycontin 80s without so much as a sneeze, sniffle, or cold.
The second I went into W/D I started sneezing like crazy, extreme spring allergies or something.
I would theorize also that they mask the symptoms or minimize the body's response.
 
This will change very rapidly. Trust me on this. Opiates helped a bit in the sense that i NOTICED IT LESS when it was bad.

I have very bad allergies too. I got allergy injections for OVER A DECADE. I take antihistamines, etc. Wanna know when my allergies FINALLY started getting better, truly? When I got off the opiates, and started taking care of myself. For the years I was ABUSING opiates, they were horrible, horrible, horrible.

My allergies have been off the charts since I was little. My doc tells me I'm one of the few patients she ever had that got injections for as long as I did, year round. Most people do it during season for a year or two. I did it every week/month for over 10 years.

Trust me, the opiates do NOT make allergies "better". Its all in your head. Your allergies are not better, you just are not noticing them.
 
Well shit so it's basically just one of the many illusionary effects of them??

I even railed a whole 8mg dilaudid (just like the one in scott420's avitar lol), and besides my right nostril being clogged from the morphone, i was breathing like a champ...
 
^Well, since opioids do release Dopamine, albiet not through a direct fashion like amps, but more through an indirect mechanism, and since DA does break down in to NE, then I can see opioids working as sympathominetic pseudo-"stimulants" to help decongestion through its DA release, and the subsequent NE conversion.

So, no, it might not all be in your head :)

There was a thread on BL on how most BL'ers posted how opioids are more stimulating than depressing (on the CNS) once they have a minor tolerance. I can certainly say that's the case for me...
 
ErgicMergic said:
^Well, since opioids do release Dopamine, albiet not through a direct fashion like amps, but more through an indirect mechanism, and since DA does break down in to NE, then I can see opioids working as sympathominetic pseudo-"stimulants" to help decongestion through its DA release, and the subsequent NE conversion.

So, no, it might not all be in your head :)

There was a thread on BL on how most BL'ers posted how opioids are more stimulating than depressing (on the CNS) once they have a minor tolerance. I can certainly say that's the case for me...
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I'm just curious which opioid/opiate it is that you're using?
I find this is the case only with certain opioids using only low doses. Personally I don't find herion or morphine stimulating at any dose. With hydromorphone I get this effect only from really low doses, but with oxycodone I find I get the stimulating effect regardless of the dose--I've never tried hydrocodone, but I'm guessing it would be similar to oxycodone only less so and I've never tried oxymorphone either but I'm guessing that would be more similar to hydromorphone than to oxycodone even though oxy/hydromorphone are metabolites produced in small amounts from oxy/hydrocodone.
 
Treefa said:
Well shit so it's basically just one of the many illusionary effects of them??

I even railed a whole 8mg dilaudid (just like the one in scott420's avitar lol), and besides my right nostril being clogged from the morphone, i was breathing like a champ...
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Considering in the same sentence you say that half your nose is clogged....yeah i'd say its all in your head.

Trust me on this, if you get some time away from railing shit and doing drugs, you will be ASTOUNDED how much better your nose/sinuses/allergies are. Honestly this week is the first time i've had any nose/sinus problems since I quit railing shit about 6-9 months ago. 6-9 months of breathing beautifully, with allergies so bad I had a decade of allergy injections under my belt.

You will notice how much better it really is if you stop snorting crap and smoking all day.

And opiates being more stimulating than depressing on the CNS after tolerance is more a factor of the interpretation of the high rather than any "stimulant effects" themselves. Meaning instead of the dope knocking you on your ass, your tolerance allows you to feel bomb and get shit done. Very laymans terms but my 2 cents on the matter. Yes I discussed in detail about certain opiates being "MORE stimulating" than others, but by no means did i think they were a stimulant/

Although one aspect opiates do help: cough suppressants. All opiates suppress coughs. Perhaps coughing less means your throat/nose are irritated less, meaning you feel better?
 
opiates to me can be very...motivating, but without the edgyness of amps.
and i hardly EVER snort drugs unless they like dilaudid with shitty bioa,
my sinuses have been a wreck since i was out the womb, shit my mom prolly heard her belly sneeze at 8 mos...
 
Opies don't help my allergies per se, but they do dry up nasal secretions and seem to prevent colds. Or maybe I still get sick and don't "notice" it as much because I'm high? Hard to say...
 
I know this I cannot stop sneezing when I run out. The chemist doesnt open for four more hours so Im sure my allergies will be bothering me. Runny nose is one of the first signs of opiate wd.
 
cool my old thread..

Yeah currently i'm on about 400mg of tramadol and my nose is doing much better than this morning.

I don't think it's placebo because i couldn't breathe at all this morning, and now i can, and i definately notice when they wear off it gets worse.
 
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