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(Opiates) Can Someone Compare and Contrast H, Pods (Opium), and Hydrocodone?

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I'm fairly experienced in the world of opiates and have tried a lot of them, except for H. I'm curious if someone here who has done (more then once each time) H, pods (or opium), and pharms (mainly hydrocodone) could compare and contrast them. These are all oral injestion. It would be preferable if the injestion methods were similar, and if not, if one could take that into consideration. Obviously if you bang H, you'll get a bigger "rush", but I'm more of just talking about the high itself if that makes sense.

I'm just curious if H is really that different then most other opiates. For me, they are all basically about the same, but I know pods do make me nod a little harder. Although I did nod HARD off of Tramadol and Hydrocodone combined after a couple hours.

Any insight from an expeirenced opiate person would be tits.
 
"Heroin" is no different from most other opioids, in fact, heroin doesn't even exist. Heroin is a morphine prodrug. It's real name is morphine diacetate - an ester salt of morphine and a morphine prodrug. All this means is that the drug that you know as "heroin" is inactive and has no effect on the opioid receptors in the brain. When you do heroin, you don't get high off of heroin - you get high off of morphine. The difference is morphine and morphine diacetate have one minor difference in their chemical structure, which I will show you in these two pictures:

This is morphine (base):

morphine.gif



This is morphine diacetate ("heroin"):

heroin.gif



They are EXACTLY the same, except for the red part on heroin. Those are two acetyl groups attached to the morphine molecule. They make morphine quicker acting, so heroin is a quicker acting form of morphine. When you inject "heroin" those two groups (the red parts) detach and 'propel' morphine faster across the blood-brain-barrier (BBB) then morphine would on it's own and morphine then attaches to the opiate receptors and gets you high. The rush you get is the acetyl groups quickly 'propelling' morphine across the BBB. Another metabolite is formed - 6MAM - which is a very minor metabolite that is also quickly converted into morphine.

That's what "heroin" is - a salt of morphine. Morphine diacetate ("heroin") - a quicker acting form of morphine. There are all kinds of salts of morphine. Morphine sulfate, morphine hydrochloride, morphine tartrate, morphine hydrobromide, and many, many more.

Pods are just raw opium - they are a mixture of all the alkaloids including morphine, codeine, thebaine, and all the others.

Hydrocodone is semi-synthetic opiate similar to oxycodone but slightly less potent. They are all related to codeine and are in the codeine family of opiates.
 
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kokaino said:
Another metabolite is formed - 6MAM - which is a very minor metabolite that is also quickly converted into morphine.
Click to expand...

Check out the thread in DITM, there is a study there that says 6MAM is actually responsible for a good portion of the effects of heroin... Just FYI, I'm sure you'd like to know. Good post.
 
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That study is completely flawed. Everyone knows heroin is a morphine prodrug. Morphine diacetate ("heroin") is converted to morphine and 6MAM (which itself is converted into morphine aswell) is what binds to the opiate receptors and gets you high. 6MAM is a minor metabolite - there is over 70 years of science behind that. This new "research" is flawed.

Heroin is "morphine diacetate". An ester salt of morphine and a morphine prodrug. This has been established and is taught in ALL medical and pharmacy schools across the world in all universities and colleges - from Harvard and Oxford to your local community college. This "Fernando Boix" is daring to challenge this established FACT - well, he's quickly going to be swatted down like a fly by the leading scientists on issues like this.

Pfft.
 
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That's a good point...I think it was on Wiki, but I did read somewhere that Heroin addicts when given Heroin and getting Morphine that they didn't really have a preference of one or the other. That would make sense.

About the effects....do any of you that have a little experience first hand of doing these different opiates can you compare and contrast the effects on you?
 
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