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opiates and mental health

Coming down off of drugs is a reality check setting in. We do drugs to relieve ourselves from reality as we know it but after the hours of enjoyment, we start to see the reality we try to escape with drugs & we sometimes dont like what we see, it reminds us of why we did the drugs.

Reality can be a cruel place, a place we are usually stuck in but if so lucky, we indulge in escaping with the drug of choice but reality never leaves us, its just hidden. Maybe we get beamed up into another place, somewhere to forget our pain & sorrow but eventually we are thrown back into reality which can hurt us, the comedown phase. I'd rather take opiates & live several happy years than live miserable for 100 years.
 
Thank you TLB! I truly agree with you. And thank you for your offer. I reside on the East Coast as well...;)
 
The only reason I am excited this morning is because I have been promised roxi 30s if I show at 'work'. Only a few more hours now. Waiting. Here I am waiting yet again for that delicious feeling of nothing but pure euphoria as my past just ebbs away....:)
 
lost boys-sure whoever that is taking opiates to relieve their depression will for a time see good results but that will all be PAID BACK in full when they kick opiates..ive been there and it is unbearable, look they think the depression they are feeling before they took opiates is bad, it is weak compared to Paws type depression..not only that, that type of super depression(from the withdrawals and from the persons biology) is much harder to treat as compared to the persons depression before he started opiates...ask any addiction doc, they would agree..
 
Of course kicking is horrible. I try to keep my use low but it doesn't always work out that way and I end up fucking myself over for a good week or until I get my next fix. I think the general consensus here is that if you keep your use at a reasonable level/amount and don't increase over time, opiates could indeed treat depression.

And as one poster said before me, she gets her hydrocodone every month after years and has never run out or called in early. So it's a possibility with that fact alone. But I highly doubt I will live to see the day when doctors prescribe such a wonderful drug to treat the blues (mmm, blues).

Our country is so against some of the most harmless drugs, yet alcohol, a disgusting, habit forming and potentially beast of a drug can be found all over the country at any time of day or night. I don't think alcohol or cigarettes cure or treat anything. They may be relieving and soothing but it's quite hard and harmful to the body. But a percocet, the thing that's really potentially harmful is the acetaminophen. Things that mother nature have given us, most likely for some reason or another, are being restricted. Marijuana, coca, pscilocybin mushrooms, peyote cacti and yes, the wonderful poppy plant. Oh well. All politics and money/greed. The fat cats themselves use; who was it, Gingrich or Limbaugh and another female secretary or something. Celebrities...no need to go there. Duh, winning!

*sigh* Woodspiece, you have revealed a very intriguing and prevalent truth. Mental health and opiates are very, not always but almost, directly related.
 
belfort said:
lost boys-sure whoever that is taking opiates to relieve their depression will for a time see good results but that will all be PAID BACK in full when they kick opiates..ive been there and it is unbearable, look they think the depression they are feeling before they took opiates is bad, it is weak compared to Paws type depression..not only that, that type of super depression(from the withdrawals and from the persons biology) is much harder to treat as compared to the persons depression before he started opiates...ask any addiction doc, they would agree..
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We are not saying that when you self medicate yourself, down the road you wont regret it. Of course there will come a time where the opiate user will suffer after needing to quit & what not. The thing is we are saying that we want to keep depression away by using opiates no matter what the consequences are because anything beats how we feel when we're depressed & we have to suffer a bit years from now, so be it.
 
bben said:
yeah its good stuff. Im sure if opiates were available in some special cases suicides could have been prevented.
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Exactly! This is the main reason why I think they should be prescribed, when people are severely depressed like this & they see no other way out. If taking opiates prevents suicides, then why not prescribe them.

I can just see people saying, PAWS & withdrawals can cause suicidal tendencies & I agree, they probably do but dont you think it should be each individuals choice to go the route of using opiates & living a "happy" life if not for a while?
 
Those were really interesting articles. Before reading this thread, I had no idea opiates were used to treat depression as recently as the last century. I wish I had the courage to show my psych such articles, but I don't think he would think outside of the box like that. He has prescribed me the new fancy antidepressants like Pristiq and Lexapro and currently Cymbalta and Abilify, but I really doubt they're doing anything besides providing a possible placebo effect and probably poisoning me.

Why can't doctors use drugs proven to treat an illness, with centuries of knowledge and long-term effects, rather than using new, potentially dangerous substances as to which no one knows their long term effects because of their newness? It's just so frustrating. I have to pay out the ass for health insurance for these drugs which might not be even doing anything to benefit me. And on top of that I have to pay for the illicit drugs which actually do relieve my mental ailments and worry about the illegality and availability of them.

All these brainwashing commercials, 'ask your doctor about blah blah'...why can't we just ask our doctors about what we KNOW works for us? *Sigh* If I were to ask my doctor about opiate treatment and admit to having taken them, he'd stop prescribing me Xanax, the one drug I know for certain helps me.
 
i cant open the links on this page but what i want to know is can a person be maintained on buprenorphine(which would be my choice for depression) for life without much tolerance increase??will the anti-depresant effects of Bup still be there 10 years down the road?what about other side effects?
 
Having cut down on bupre recently I noticed something I should warn you about though. Originally it gave me a lot of motivation to do stuff that otherwise is hard to focus on, like housework or working in a DAW for a long time. Over time it started to do the opposite though, it was very subtle in coming on and took a long time for me to connect it to the bupre. If that goes away with abstinence remains to be seen but the motivational wonder effect has long since vanished.

Also the short fuse that opioids cause some people to have..I think that has become permanent. If you can stick to short term use only when really needed you can probably enjoy the benefits much longer.
 
belfort: Tolerance seems to stop developing at some point with buprenorphine, apparently unlike other opioids. I've managed with 1.2mg per day for a year without any need for increase. That's down from about 8mg/day before I started getting it legally. But like I said, the effect (or your brain chemistry) does seem to change. You also get tolerance for some side effects like constipation over time. It could be maintained indefinitely but it would probably be pointless after some time.
 
i do remember the short temperedness of opiods..that i dont miss but i also remember the high motivation decreasing over time as well..i wonder if a dosage increase would help in this area??

thats the problem, we are looking for a drug that will make us happy but that doesnt exist...well, it may work for 2-3 hours in an amazing way but it will have side effects and the longer you use, the less you experience the good and the bad effects become more pronounced..ive tried just every type of drug and havent found a workable magical one yet that can be sustained for long term use..
 
woodspiece said:
In the many yeas i have been part of the opiate scene, one thing has always prevailed:
And that in some form of self-medication or denial of some facet of mental illness by using opiates.

i simply don't believe that people try opiates out of "fun' and continue. Opiates make you sick when you are naive to them. This is not "fun." it is only the ill who go past the initial sickness to releve diagnoised and undiagnosed mental health issues.

And why the drought in Europe now is causing such mayhem--fear of w/ds and also a return to untreated or even treated mental health issues. But augmented with illicit or legal opiate use.

In the USA, opiates were the only form of medication to alliviate deprrssion until the early 1950s.

Since posts must be framed in a question, I'll ask--do most folks who use opiates out there do it for "fun" or is it to releve an underlying MH problem?
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I think as far as using opiates are concerned and underlying mental health issues only issues that where present before opiates use will reappear as opiates do very little damage to the body and mind.
 
belfort said:
we are looking for a drug that will make us happy but that doesnt exist...
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In the long haul, you are right, there is no drug, vitamins, potions, etc....that will give us true happiness. I have experienced true happiness lots of times in my life & can tell you one thing for sure, no drug has ever made me feel like I did when I was feeling that true happiness.

People doing opiates like heroin describe a warm blanket covering the body & all those feelings that come along when you're indulging in opiates.

Opiates do offer if not for just for a few hours, a glimpse of what true happiness feels like. Its still not that exact feeling of feeling amazing & feeling like you are on top of the world, especially when you are in love with someone, now thats an amazing feeling as well & nothing beats it imo.
 
Thats the most decieving part of opiates is when you're on them a while and you go from more motivated than average to less motivated then avg. And eventually you wind up sitting around unsure of why nothing in life really interests you anymore. I'm on an opiate right? The opiate obviously made me more ambitious when I started using it... so wtf is going on? Its the worst part of addiction. Take more, motivation comes back for a bit, then it flat lines even worse and you have even less motivation than before.

Its so weird that although you wouldn't consider opiates a poison they do have that type of effect on your body. Even a drug that makes you feel great, your body thinks its bad for you, and starts fighing the drug to bring your brain back to "normal". Its always been an appealing aspect of addiction to me. I can totally understand your body doing that with something that makes you ill, but something that gives you energy and makes me feel good? What body? Are you trying to tell me even though it feels good that its not good for me? lol.

I fucking hate opiate addiction. Love it but I hate it. It never changes it. Back and forth back and forth its the worst thing in the world to go through.
 
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