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Bupe Opiate tolerant person who's using bupe orally?

subutex_junkie

subutex_junkie

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I talked to someone a few days ago who is prescribed buprenorphine for a dope addiction and they were telling me that they swallowed their bupe instead of taking it SL as prescribed. I was surprised, I know it's only got a 10% oral bioactivity and as I said, this person was a heroin user who switched to bupe to get clean from the dope. I've just never heard of an opiate addict or even an opiate naïve person get an effect from the drug when used orally, especially when someone's using it daily for dope W/D's. Has anyone else ever known or heard of an opiate addict who swallowed their bupe daily and was able to actually get relief from the W/D's by only swallowing it?
 
Think of how strong bupe is, if they're taking a high dose it's not surprising, really. However, if they were to snort that same dose they may well od, or at least have an uncomfortable ride.
 
I used to use tiny doses during my taper, and sometimes they would not get under my tongue because in the w/d haze I didn't always use a tweezer. It would still hold me orally, I just wouldn't really notice anything other then a lack of sickness. But that was at sub 1mg doses, if someone were taking the ridiculous 16mg doses some are scripted for example, oral ROA would be good to go.
 
Even at 10% orally taking 8mg of bupe is a tremendous dosage.
About a year ago my mother in law had a splitting migraine, and she thought she saw her daughters(my fiancé) orange pain relievers on the car seat, oddly enough it was half of an orange sub tablet, and a quarter piece of a tablet. Her mother swallowed the quarter piece thinking it was a pain reliever. Apparently she was sick in bed throwing up for 2 days from 2mg bupe, accidentally taken,and at orally. Her mother does take Lortabs so she isn't opiate nieve. Goes to show how powerfulo bupe is, I don't care how much heroin someone was shooting everyday, whether it's a 1gram shot three times a day, only 1 sub taken SL is enough to kill the heroin withdrawals, actually most people, we'll I'll say all the people I know, friends, acquaintances, ppl in the waiting room at sub doctors, all agree a half of a sub is all it takes to get out of withdrawl .

I was shooting on average 12 bags of heroin a day. , when I decided to quit I went on suboxone. Before I officially had a script , a friend have me a quarter 2mg, I thought it was a joke cause it was orange and smelled like candy and tasted like candy, we go have cigarette and 20 mins later I told on him this stuff is too weak it's not even working, he said just watch, within a few minutes, I was fucked up retarded all day and night till I went to bed, I never felt that high on opiates let alone heroin since I first started doing opiates! Bupe is not to be taken as a joke, it is a unique opioid- I just don't agree with pain management people being told by doctors "oh of tourer we give out suboxone for pain management " what a joke, maybe for the first few days, as far as subutex, I feel like it helps better than suboxone and I feel effects whether. It's a placebo? Naloxone is only active IV and partially intranets ally, but maybe SL it does?
 
WHile I agree that bupe is ridiculously powerful and works orally (I have taken it orally in such cases as being at work and having people talk to me while trying to hold it under my tongue and having it get dislodged and just swallowing it and it worked fine) i must disagree with this:

I don't care how much heroin someone was shooting everyday, whether it's a 1gram shot three times a day, only 1 sub taken SL is enough to kill the heroin withdrawals, actually most people, we'll I'll say all the people I know, friends, acquaintances, ppl in the waiting room at sub doctors, all agree a half of a sub is all it takes to get out of withdrawl .
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This is completely untrue. Maybe if you had a habit for 4 or 5 months but for someone who has been shooting dope for years and has a gram a day habit, watch out! Sub is almost useless for the first couple days until your tolerance starts to drop a bit. I tried to detox off a gram a day habit with suboxone and taking 3 or 4 eight mg subs did almost nothing for me. I was in full cold turkey withdrawal, felt like I was dying and the sub only made things maybe 1% better. By the third day I was sick but getting lots of relief from the sub but It wasn't until 6 days later that I felt fully well on the sub.
 
subutex_junkie said:
I talked to someone a few days ago who is prescribed buprenorphine for a dope addiction and they were telling me that they swallowed their bupe instead of taking it SL as prescribed. I was surprised, I know it's only got a 10% oral bioactivity and as I said, this person was a heroin user who switched to bupe to get clean from the dope. I've just never heard of an opiate addict or even an opiate naïve person get an effect from the drug when used orally, especially when someone's using it daily for dope W/D's. Has anyone else ever known or heard of an opiate addict who swallowed their bupe daily and was able to actually get relief from the W/D's by only swallowing it?
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What an incredibly waste of bupe. If you don't want to take a high dose, just take a very small sublingual dose, instead of swallowing a whole 8 mg just to get 10%. If you want to take a dose of .8, than just cut it. Stupid.
 
Well I guess if you think about it only 30 percent is absorbed by the sublingual route because of saliva so if you were to swallow it I'm sure it wouldn't make much difference. The only thing is it seems like its not as strong when you swallow the lemon flavoured saliva in your mouth after a suboxonelike the naloxone is trying to overpower it or something. It still keeps you well but won't get your eyes pinned like usual. Wonder why
 
opiatekrzy said:
Even at 10% orally taking 8mg of bupe is a tremendous dosage.
About a year ago my mother in law had a splitting migraine, and she thought she saw her daughters(my fiancé) orange pain relievers on the car seat, oddly enough it was half of an orange sub tablet, and a quarter piece of a tablet. Her mother swallowed the quarter piece thinking it was a pain reliever. Apparently she was sick in bed throwing up for 2 days from 2mg bupe, accidentally taken,and at orally. Her mother does take Lortabs so she isn't opiate nieve. Goes to show how powerfulo bupe is, I don't care how much heroin someone was shooting everyday, whether it's a 1gram shot three times a day, only 1 sub taken SL is enough to kill the heroin withdrawals, actually most people, we'll I'll say all the people I know, friends, acquaintances, ppl in the waiting room at sub doctors, all agree a half of a sub is all it takes to get out of withdrawl .

I was shooting on average 12 bags of heroin a day. , when I decided to quit I went on suboxone. Before I officially had a script , a friend have me a quarter 2mg, I thought it was a joke cause it was orange and smelled like candy and tasted like candy, we go have cigarette and 20 mins later I told on him this stuff is too weak it's not even working, he said just watch, within a few minutes, I was fucked up retarded all day and night till I went to bed, I never felt that high on opiates let alone heroin since I first started doing opiates! Bupe is not to be taken as a joke, it is a unique opioid- I just don't agree with pain management people being told by doctors "oh of tourer we give out suboxone for pain management " what a joke, maybe for the first few days, as far as subutex, I feel like it helps better than suboxone and I feel effects whether. It's a placebo? Naloxone is only active IV and partially intranets ally, but maybe SL it does?
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The naloxone is almost completely and totally inactive in suboxone. I've SLed, INed, & IVed both the suboxone pills & strips with no PWDs at all any time I've ever did. It's the bupe that cause PWDs, bupe out competes almost all opiate/opioid agonists & antagonists the receptor site.
 
you can do like me... im still sticking to 1mg of an 8mg strip each day. sublingual. i put a fraction of a cap-full of vodka in my mouth with it... it makes me stretch my sub stash longer. search bl for the alcohol for BA sub/bupe thread...

i always spit the saliva out after... my first sub dr told me never to swallow the goop. vodka or not... ive noticed it seems to make me feel much better, not swallowing any sub that is.

subutex and suboxone were identical for this as well. ive had both for extended periods. all ROAs too. subutex is just cheaper... some/most dr's will refuse prescribing it tho. stupid.

also i only get pinned out briefly on bupe maybe for a couple hours, and only after its had time to kick in.


i had a sick cat once. we were given oral syringes of buprenex to give to him. i couldnt believe it... how the hell do u get the cat not to swallow it? didnt seem to do much for the poor thing. no wonder tho... he probably was only getting like 10 mcg, if that, out of the doses.

oral bupe/subs is just a waste as, Mr.S said.

Rob27shred said:
The naloxone is almost completely and totally inactive in suboxone. I've SLed, INed, & IVed both the suboxone pills & strips with no PWDs at all any time I've ever did. It's the bupe that cause PWDs, bupe out competes almost all opiate/opioid agonists & antagonists the receptor site.
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^^omg thank you... finally peeps are catching this. and although u r right dont iv tho... look at the case studies... scary stuff. glad/lucky i never had a serious issue... my low dose/vodka subL ROA is much better. no re-dosing either and becoming a pin cushion.
 
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Ha yeah it was a trip the first time I saw buprenorphine scripted for my cat. But my cat loved it, haha. He'd get all doped up on it. I could practically see the smile on his face when I gave him one of those doses. A little fiend he is.. just like his owner.. Haha.
 
^^^ hehe like my dog he used to always lick me and my friends hands when we were doing rails of blow cause we used to put a bit on our hand then snort it off. My dog Toby always kept trying his damdest to get to our hands and lick them we always just pushed him off never really knew why he did it till I realised he was licking the part with the cocaine residue on it and it must've been making his tounge go numb and giving him some pep in his step haha my cats also a dope fiend she loves the smell of pot and comes running when she smells it just to be in the same room. My dog only likes the hard stuff tho pot doesn't interest him I guess it ain't no thang to him lol
 
in response to the comments on pw's and what dose "everyone" needs/should have:
its very common to go thru mild pw's when switching to subs. the more u go back and forth, the worse the transition gets... i had an awful habit, not knowing my bags were way over .1 (only recently did i figure that out) and was basically the talk of the town when it came to the quality and high potency. had an insane crew dealing us... scary times.

i started at 8 mg sub after waiting over 40 hours to detox first to avoid pw's... i almost lost my mind the first few days... by about day 4 i started to try lowering my dose. starting at 6 and rather soon after i tapered down to 2mg. it was a world of difference once stabilizing there... im now an advocate of most folks lowering the high doses they take. the 16mg most folks get scripted[including me is rediculous. usually makes folks feel nasty side effects, and raising dose only seems to make things worse. bupe is very strong, but it is unique too. each person may need a different dose/taper/plan/dr. tho. Mr S. is good at articulating this whole thing... he's helped me a lot.

Mr S. thx for all your help, for everyone. Tommyboy, and sekio too. so much helpful info, and great HR. u guys keep Bluelight/od going and helping. id say more praise but i lack a keyboard still.:p


in response to the vet stuff... ive had to help my cats with my stash. thankfully i was very careful, and never gave them APAP. always seemed the opioids helped the most with the least side effects, such as oxycodone. dope/pharmacy-morphine always seemed to kind of make my pets less happy and get less food down. 2 of my many cats(ugh) keep eating the leaves of my best damn strains/phenotypes of pot... like they can sense the stronger terpenes over the others. mine are high-ons too i geuss! the abc world news' little thing on pet "OD's" on pot... sickened me tho. whole other subject tho. just never force a pet to take something it may not want. they cant talk! but i sure know almost every cat ive had loves weed out of my volcano vape. :D sry for off topic...

btw i dont condone trying to administer drugs to pets. always contact/see a vet. i knew some fool who gave their dog xanax when they wanted it to "calm down/go to sleep" im talking 1-2 mg too. ugh. at least i was only trying to help my poor old cat just wanted to clarify.

and again oral bupe/subs is a huge waste. my old dr said u dont want to swallow the saliva from correctly taking subs subL anyhow. me personally, it would always seem to really mess my stomach up anyhow when i did swallow it. spitting it out after subL is the way to go ime.
 
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Glad things worked out for you with the bupe, man. I remember you were stressing about it and having a rough time inducting, so it's good that you finally got where you wanted to be.
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thank you. you were a big help. its weird how i used to be able to go back and forth quite often. but no longer... perhaps it may scare me out of any future relapsing... last one was a huge mess. i can see why your friend lost his foot. mine is killing me off and on. but i fractured at least one bone in my foot when i was a teen, likely a metatarsal leading to where im now hurting. already checked for clots with ultra sound... may just take time, if it ever does heal.

your suggestions to start inductions slow and wean up bit by bit at the beginning also are very helpful. never good to just dive right into 16mg subs like most dr's will try to tell/force you to do. like my current dr, if he wasnt cheap id be gone... they've said/done some very stupid shit.

thank goodness for u n the rest of the helpful bluelighters. thx again.
 
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Thanks man I'm glad I could help. And yeah as you know, same shit happened with me. Used to be able to hop back and forth from bupe to dope all the time, no problem... but, your body can't handle that anymore and it just gets harder and harder. It should definitely be a deterrent to relapsing, knowing how hard it was to get back to bupe this time, and not wanting to go through that shit again.
 
Never. I actually go to great lengths to increase the bioavalibility. I believe you would however get symptom reduction even at 10% (I believe it's closer to 4).
 
Wow this is a great idea for people in end stages of taper when it gets nearly I'm possible to cut the peices smaller you could start eating a does of whatever mg to come down of doses like .5 .4 .3 .2 .1 by eating the correectt amount .. Example 2mg oral= .2 mg gets to the brain wow this idea might really be able to make the final steps of a taper to get litterally as low as possible you could even get down to does of .025 Mgs wow
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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Thanks man I'm glad I could help. And yeah as you know, same shit happened with me. Used to be able to hop back and forth from bupe to dope all the time, no problem... but, your body can't handle that anymore and it just gets harder and harder. It should definitely be a deterrent to relapsing, knowing how hard it was to get back to bupe this time, and not wanting to go through that shit again.
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I've heard that from many people too Mr S how it gets harder to make the switch from bupe to dope then back to bupe. I found it easier as time went on for whatever reason mabye I'm still young and that's why but I have been doing opiates nearly a decade so my body isn't exactly in tip top shape I feel like I'm 70 some days lol I guess the same wouldn't go for methadone eh cause its a full agonist, does anybody here have experience switching back and forth between methadone and heroin? I don't have much experience with methadone.
 
@Slum Survivor, yeah I figured out the naloxone was inactive in my subs really quickly & have been preaching it since. But with the docs & R&B pushing that is an anti abuse measure, a lot of people don't know any better. Trying to spread the word! Also you are correct about never IVing subs of any kind. I knew the possible repercussions, took proper saftey measures the few times I did this, & thankfully was alright. Either way a stupid idea & you give solid advice to avoid doing so.
 
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