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Ahh thank you kindly sir. I was looking for that thread!

The experience has been pleasant so far, I think I am still dosing quite low though.
I find when moving or doing things the sleepiness disappears and it can be quite enjoyable and you can be functional if required however i tend to prefer spending my high relaxing on my bed with laptop and then i struggle with staying awake.
Im not sure if this is the nod, it just feels like im falling asleep which isn't exactly pleasant as i understand the nod should be.
Its wierd ill be wide awake chilling and then suddenly im almost passing out, then ill be wide awake for a while again

Also, the only other thing that is unpleasant is this constant slight background nausea that really brings down the experience. Is there any way to stop this? Im especially not used to this as I have always been very lucky to completely avoid any forms of nausea naturally with all other drugs that are known to cause it.
 
Everyone talks about nodding, but if you really think about it, you're not really completely conscious when you're in a nod.....If you're in a real nod, it's like your head keeps wanting to lean forward and the sensation of falling makes you snap out of it, this usually keeps happening over and over again and looks realllly fucking ridiculous to outside observers....a lot of the time, your mouth will be open while this is going on, making you look even more retarded! If you smoke cigarettes, everything from your furniture to your carpet to your clothes with end up with burn holes. You'll inevitably do a face plant into your keyboard or a bowl of cereal eventually....end up spilling your drinks everywhere...Yeah, thats the state H users strive to remain in! Good stuff!
 
BlueHues said:
Everyone talks about nodding, but if you really think about it, you're not really completely conscious when you're in a nod.....If you're in a real nod, it's like your head keeps wanting to lean forward and the sensation of falling makes you snap out of it, this usually keeps happening over and over again and looks realllly fucking ridiculous to outside observers....a lot of the time, your mouth will be open while this is going on, making you look even more retarded! If you smoke cigarettes, everything from your furniture to your carpet to your clothes with end up with burn holes. You'll inevitably do a face plant into your keyboard or a bowl of cereal eventually....end up spilling your drinks everywhere...Yeah, thats the state H users strive to remain in! Good stuff!
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Ahh ok as i thought the nod is different from what im experiencing of simply feeling sleepy and resting my eyes.
 
Sorry to keep posting.....
Just wanted to say...what's dangerous, is that it's difficult to tell the difference between somebody nodding out and somebody ODing, it's a fine line....If you're getting high with somebody, you may be coming in and out a nod, and when you look over you see the other person with their head leaned forward and you think, "Oh they're just high and nodding"...But on closer inspection, they may be in respiratory depression and starting to OD....It's a fine line...

If you are alone and nobody knows you're using heroin, you should be very careful not to use too much...It's a very fine line
 
Thanks man. Thats my biggest question really is how can i tell when ive had enough or shouldnt have any more.
What experience effects, symptoms, physical sensations can a opiate newb use to determine how high they are?

For example when i accidently hit a big line of H thinking it was coke, i literally couldn't walk and lost a ton of memory.
So when walking becomes difficult, is that a sign to stop? I have no idea...
 
lol, yeah, walking becoming difficult is a good indicator thats its time to stop re-dosing whatever drug you're taking!
If you drink too much, you throw up and pass out....
If you use too many benzos, you probably just go to sleep(or black out and come to in jail for shoplifting)
If you do too much heroin, you could overdose and die, it probably won't happen, but it could happen....and it happens more often with heroin than with other drugs, which is why everyone says to be so careful with it...Mixing it with other drugs has killed multiple people that I've known personally....

The high from any drug can be deceptive, you may feel high one minute and completely sober the next. You think you're not high enough and then you take more, and then it all hits you at once and you're higher than you wanted to be. It can be difficult to guage. As long as you go slow and don't say, "Fuck it, I'm doing a huge line!", you'll probably be okay....Don't mix it with anything either, especially benzos/alcohol or any other "downers"...That's what usually kills people
 
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Great advice man thanks. I just increased dosage again now and for some reason got a mini panic attack with this wierd sensation across my chest, however my breathing seemed to be fine and its sorta gone away now after 2 minutes. This anxiety and panic attack type symptoms plagued me with Kratom as well. Is this some sign of something not going well or just me getting paraonoid?
 
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EDIT: I just read that the brownish clumpy H can be cut with caffeine to make it more easily smokable.
Is this possibly why snorted bullets give me a short burst of anxiety on the comeup and a continued mild anxiety moving forward?

Should i plug this instead? I cant smoke due to nearby humans in other areas of the house.

EDIT 2: Ok and now i see my dick is all shrunken almost like with meth. The opposite of whats supposed to happen on opiates right?
Any idea WTF is going on with this H?
 
It is possible to use heroin smartly and avoid addiction.

But you should realise that most people who try it go on to get a habit, myself included.

That being said unless you are willing to live and work with/through an addiction don't experiment with strong opiates.

It is very hard to manage an addiction. You might have impeccable self control and excellent contacts but things will invariably go wrong somewhere along the line from time to time. Basically you end up sick and unable to work/ full fill responsibilities due to a situation beyond your control.
 
I would avoid that h altogether and find a different dealer. Sounds suspect. Better yet reconsider your life choices, ask yourself questions about the nature of happiness.
 
blight12 said:
EDIT: I just read that the brownish clumpy H can be cut with caffeine to make it more easily smokable.
Is this possibly why snorted bullets give me a short burst of anxiety on the comeup and a continued mild anxiety moving forward?

Should i plug this instead? I cant smoke due to nearby humans in other areas of the house.

EDIT 2: Ok and now i see my dick is all shrunken almost like with meth. The opposite of whats supposed to happen on opiates right?
Any idea WTF is going on with this H?
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Snorting tar heroin just in a clump is a supremely inefficient way to do it.. If you're going to use it via the nose.. water-line it. Like I mentioned before, smoking is also an option, (and you don't need to make it any easier to smoke) but good technique takes time to learn and if you don't know what you're doing when it comes to smoking H, you'll probably just waste it.

You should water-line it or plug it.
 
Ok thanks. Gonna give plugging and the water method a try. Today was far more pleasant then yesterday. I will do a trip report once this weekend of testing and my supply is over.
 
IMO/IME you are going to have a harder time avoiding the negative effects associated with drug abuse from opioids, especially ones like heroin, than stimulants, even methamphetamine.

Also, becoming dependent on extremely addictive drugs isn't something you can avoid just by telling yourself that you'll only use it xx often, or only in xx situations, etc.
 
BlueHues said:
^You're in NYC in the heroin hall of fame! I know you weren't smokin it!
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Haha, that's very true.. I've been an IV user for a very long time. But, thats not something I'd ever advocate! Haha. Just read my posts/blog to see how well IV drug use has treated me. I was assuming that an IV ROA wasn't even in the OP's mind.. at least I hope it wasn't.. so I certainly wasn't going to bring it up as a viable option, but still you're right.. Here in the H hall of fame, we do love the needle. :\


laCster said:
i honestly hate that i am on suboxone. fucking being addicted/dependent sucks!!
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Cster, you literally pulled the words right out my own fucked up head. I hate it too. Even though it's better than being a full blown junkie.. I still feel like a slave, shackled to a chemical still, even if it might be the "lesser of two evils". I long for the day when I don't need to take anything to be well.
 
Yeah i wasn't thinking about it, hell, i have a syringe for plugging sitting in my drawer for months now which i never used since im lazy and just find shoving shit up my nose is easier and i know how to do that. Prob saved my ass lol.

Ok so today I guess i will try water line the remainder with the syringe and see how that works.
 
The only way to be able to take heroin and/or crack recreationally without getting a habit is if your means of getting it are so difficult that you can't possibly score everyday. As I posted in another thread about Liverpool being the worst city to buy drugs in. Because it was so difficult to buy heroin and crack I managed to use it recreationally for 3 years without ever forming a habit. I sometimes used 4 times a week, sometimes twice a month. It was so hard to get and took so many hours and often came to naught that I couldn't buy enough to get an addiction. It has been 3 years since I left and I have never taken heroin or crack since. I never did get a habit either.
 
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