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Opioids opiate addicts and the hate of alcohol

I loved popping percocets and Tylenol 3s then downing them with a 26 of cheap tequila or rum. Also loved adding MDMA to the mix and once in a while some shrooms and cocaine too. The first time I did shrooms i was drunk at the local fair plus it was also the first night I ever did Molly and cocaine. Hippy flipping yea!

And I wondered why my liver was shot at age 18.

After my liver went I switched to heroin and then had no money for food let alone alcohol so I never drank much. I did love mixing heroin and alcohol the few times I did but it never failed I would always get dizzy and puke but still it felt sooo good.
 
weekend addiction said:
^I actually had to go to court to prove my sanity during a benzo withdrawal. Alcohol withdrawal is more acute but just as terrible.

I think opiate addicts get spoiled on opiates and can't appreciate a drug like alcohol for what it is. It's a good staple drug in moderation.
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To prove your sanity? Yikes~ That in itself would give me more anxiety. Spoiled on opiates I understand. I suppose if they were not around I might have become an alcoholic even if I don't like alcohol… Yeah -- All in moderation I suppose. :)
 
My post is biased as it is based on my experiences. I have used alcohol and opioids under drastically different times of my life. I used alcohol as a drug of abuse when I was younger and too immature to know any better. Peer pressure was a factor, as well as ignorance. I am highly susceptible to brutal hangovers. Overall, alcohol weakened my body and fucked with my brain a little too. I personally find it really hard sometimes to have one or two drinks without getting out of control and having 10. Also, the aftereffects are just brutal. It takes me a week to recover from one night of drinking. It truly, honestly makes me a dumber and less responsible person during this time. Obviously, alcohol just isn't for me. It's the only drug I've ever blacked out on too, or that turned me into a foolish buffoon. I've grown out of alcohol and the associated partying, I quit drinking forever back in March. Alcohol even in light doses makes me really, really stupid and I can feel the negative impact on my body from even one or two beers. Let alone hard alcohol... I see that stuff as blatant abuse for the most part, although there are exceptions to every generalization. I suppose there are people who love to sip their cognac... don't really get that though. I think it all tastes like poison shit, although I do love the taste of some craft beers and kind of miss it. If only it wasn't a poison.

Opioids do not make me in any way stupid. In fact I find them energizing and conductive to creativity. I'm really anxious and I can't have so much as a cup of green tea, so caffeine and stimulants are not for me. I am a downer type person, but I find that opioids relax my mind while providing me with an extra kick to get through the day. I am fully functional on them and they have wonderful medicinal effects for me. I have horrific chronic pain and they help me a lot. I have a perfectly legitimate reason to use opioids because of the degree of suffering I experience from my chronic pain in my spine. It ruined many years of my life, I was bedridden until I discovered benzos and opioids. I had lost everything - my career job, my house, my health. I'm back in grad school getting straight A's now, taking 10mg of oxycodone a day. The idea of taking opioids never crossed my mind until a good couple years after I mangled my spine.

I've never had a problem with overconsumption of opioids, although I am a daily user because of my pain and I'm not about to stop being a daily user because otherwise I'd be in horrible pain. What I mean is that I can take a 2.5mg hit of oxycodone, or a 5mg one and I do not suddenly have the urge to take more and more, until the effects have long subsided and I am in pain again. So one thing is that opioids can be really effective medicinally, while alcohol is not really a good choice for a medicine.

Even with benzos I don't have this problem of lack of control over myself that I did with alcohol. Alcohol is the only drug I have ever blacked out on and lost recollection of a whole night. Wasted people often act irresponsibly, and slur their words and stuff. It can really fuck you up, but I guess opioids can too? I just haven't seen much of that, I don't know anyone else in my life who is an opioid user openly, and I keep it to myself. I find it mind boggling that alcohol is socially acceptable to get fucked up off when it's such a horrible poison for the brain and body, whereas if you do other drugs you are labelled a "druggie", but that's just my opinion.

If I was to legalize a drug and ban all the the others (hypothetically), it sure as hell wouldn't be alcohol. The potential for abuse is ridiculous and the harm to society overall is very high as well.

A lot of my friends, when they are drinking will take any drug up their nose that you put in front of them. They are not like this sober... it makes a lot of people completely irresponsible. At least with opioids, you have a better idea of what you're potentially getting into. Although if I had started using opioids before I had pain, as a teenager, my opinion might be very different.
 
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the first time i ever got drunk in high school i thought alcohol was amazing, very euphoric, it gave me a ton of energy and i was really social and outgoing on it..sure, occasionally i would get hangovers but the positive effects the night before made it worth it..

then i discovered Ghb..it is basically a much refined alcohol with no hangover, bloated feeling and i dont have to piss every 5 minutes..

then i discovered opiates, ever since then alcohol has lost all of its magic...ive been clean from opiates for years and even still, when i drink alcohol i dont get any positive feeling..when i drink now, i first notice some foggy thinking and maybe small reduction in anxiety but i also feel lethargic and just a very bleh feeling..instead of feeling really outgoing, loving and social like i used to, now i just want to sit in a corner and not want to talk to anyone..it is not fun at all anymore, not to mention knowing how i will feel the next day...plus, the shitty quality sleep i get on alcohol sucks as well..i wish i still loved it as it is socially acceptable but i dont..
 
Looks like im the complete opposite to most of you guys I love drinking. I started with cannabis and alcohol at age of about 12-13 and doing mushrooms and lsd betwen ages of 12-18 continued till i was about 18-20 and was bang at it smoking load of lungs buckets and joints etc of mainly uk soap bar and squidgy black etc occasionaly bit of flat press etc. First tried heroin on foil at age of 18 but not enough to feel it. At 19 i tried the first opiate i ever had a real effect of which was a loaded capfull of methadone about a good 4-5mg. 6-9 months later i was smoking it quite regualy and cannabis as well my alcohol use stopped then till heroin stopped getting me high then i started drinking again to increase the heroins high at the age of 21 i was drinking a 70 cl bottle of vodka every 2 days with cola and having about 3 0.3-0.5g hits a day or injecting diconal plus a methadone script. This carried on til i lost all my veins around 2005 so i had to switch back to smoking heroin and drinking methadone and boshing diconal etc around the end of 2005. I have drunk very heavily and had prescription meds ever scince. Its down to lack of opiates for my tolerance that i drink mainly and pritty much always have done. I much prefer the effect of opiates to alcohol but need one or the other or i cant cope.
 
I used to drink until I found pills. With opiods there wasn't that intense hang over. Plus, you can't smell my oxycontin on my breath. I would take a hang over any day compared to opiod withdrawls.

I didnt know know how dangerous getting off alcohol was until I went to rehab.....opiod detox is bad but it won't kill you even tho you feel like you want to die. Alcohol detox can kill you. After I learned that I think alcohol is a very very nasty dirty drug.
 
Alcohol isnt a great high and it sucks for a bunch of reasons but its really easy to use moderately.
Opiates are my favorite high but they're extremely hard to moderate (yes I know you only use on weekends gl with that) which sucks.

I'm clean from opiates now and drink sometimes. Its not nearly as good but thats the point.
 
I drank quite a bit as a kid, stopped drinking for the most part when I discovered drugs that didn't sick.

After getting hooked on dope, and then getting off dope... I never drink.. Absolutely hate it. It just makes me feel like shit and even the idea of it seems stupid to me.
 
I drank a lot in college right until I found vicodin. Since then I've been drunk about five times but rarely skip a day without an opiate. Did manage 6 months of near sobriety once though.
 
southpawJ said:
I did enjoy alcohol, a lot actually bc it lowered my inhibitions and it was fun and a way to be social... Until I discovered opiates. Ummm... Game-changer. I've often wondered the same thing op asked, why do opiates change the game when it comes to alcohol?

And it's funny too bc I used to smoke cigarettes on the regular, but after smoking whilst high, smoking when I'm sober doesn't compare anymore, in fact, the smell of cigs when I'm not on opiates is now disgusting.

So I guess if you have a problem with alcohol or cigs, get addicted to opiates. Jk. No really though, a responsible opiate habit is way healthier than an alcohol habit, imho.
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Yeah, after doing opiates cigs are completely different.

If I'm not on bupe cigs are just pointless.

When I am I smoke 2 packs a day.
 
Great thread... I'm that guy. I was a drunk as a kid and Ope head as an adult and I cannot STAND trying to get "high" on ethanol .
It's fucking suicide juice. Depression and anxiety like a motherfucker . Just cant handle it. I had ONE weak beer with my dinner once (yaaay responsible drinking) and I actually could feel it. Calm. Relaxed. Burning stomach...15 minutes later, depressed .
 
I find it very strange how I used to love to drink back in my early high school years, because we partied a lot and there was always alcohol at those parties. I was a beast of a drinker and would get loaded drunk.

But ever since I got into opiates, just the sound of alcohol makes me want to vomit. I hate alcohol now.
 
Going on 9 months clean from booze and feel pretty good. The thought of drinking now makes me sick. However I can't watch football on TV right now as all the AD's for beer get my mind thinking I should be drinking. But then I can go to a bar and have dinner with friends and not feel the need to drink. Boredom can be the worst trigger for me. I tend to enjoy doing drugs by myself and got to a point where I was drinking alone every night of the week, waking up feeling like shit and getting over last night all day just to repeat the behavior. It took a combination of Midazolam and vodka to get to me my worst black out that was truly the awakening call I needed and ever since I quit drinking and have no plans to go back. It's such a waste of money too. No matter the quality of booze you drink it really adds up. The "high" is not worth it. I'd rather puff some herb and have a good nights sleep and only wake up a little burned out. A cup of coffee and I'm good to go.

It also made be very fat. I went from being 180 to 250 in less than a year.

I'll take weed and opiates (in moderation) over booze any day of the week. I just HATE how it's accepted by society and jammed down your throat via TV ad's. I got rid of my subscription based TV awhile ago and had no idea how effective those commercials are. They are the only thing right now that gets me thirsty for the fire water.

Bad shit.

One last note; my DR told me Alcoholics effect 9 people around them and not just family and friends. Hell I know it effected the amount of attention I gave my pets and that's just sad. I cared more about drinking that 12 pack I bought than playing with my dogs, getting fresh air and excercise.

Booze makes you smell bad too. The toxins you sweat out....YUCK!
 
When I was on heroin full-time/every day I never drank, in fact I had a distaste for alcohol pretty much my entire life (except in high school, I was a drunk then too), until I got on methadone maintenance. I started methadone about 2.5 years ago and I guess maybe subliminally I was looking for something to fill the void. I started drinking every night, and for the last year and a half or so it's been pretty much all day every day. Opiate withdrawal sucks physically, but alcohol withdrawal is... a mindfuck. Anyways I cut back on the drinking, it would be nice to totally quit. I think I'm worse off on methadone now with the alcohol than I was being a heroin addict, personally.
 
Euphoric, misanthropic, apathetic, nihilistic paradise > intoxicated, obnoxious, stinking, neurotoxic, hepatotoxic, neurotic, uncoordinated, selfish misery.
 
I hate how everyone on this site, especially in Od and Cannabis discussion has this hard-on for hating alcohol. I do believe a lot of drug users are vindictive towards alcohol simply because its the main legal drug, and are pissed off that some people get to enjoy their DOC legally, while they have to go illegal routes to get theirs.

I am an opiate addict, did a gram or two of heroin a day for years. Am now stabilized on the 8mg/2mg suboxone, twice a day, and have been on this dose for a few years.

I can also appreciate alcohol for what it is. It is not this all-powerful drug, and people comparing it to heroin are retarded. It has it's uses, and is great for socializing, lowering inhibitions, and in general just letting loose. Don't try comparing it to opiates. In terms of blatant euphoria, an opiate will always win. Alcohol is definitely good for making me want to socialize, whereas with opiates I just want to nod with headphones in, and keep doing fat shots every hour til I pass out.

Alcohol has its place, and maybe I'm a lucky one, but I've never really had any adverse affects from alcohol. I remember when I was 19 I drank an entire bottle of bombay gin in less than 30 minutes, as I was heading to a concert and couldn't buy drinks inside. Yeah, i blacked out, and puked about 4 hours later, but I didn't wake up with this "raging hangover" people talk of. Just drink a shit ton of water, powerade, and eat a teaspoon or two of salt, and you'll be good.

Nowadays I probably drink 3 bottles of wine, or a fifth of vodka to myself, about 3 days a week. I have never gotten hungover in the past 4 years of drinking. On the rare occasion I wake up with a headache, ill smoke some hash, and the headache instantly is gone.

I do get pissed off with all the mad teenagers who are pissed that alcohol is legal and heroin isn't. The shit talking against alcohol is so funny, especially the guy above listing all the positive effects of opiates, but all the negative ones of alcohol to try and compare them. I can do that too watch me.

Lowering inhibitions, need to socialize, wanting to be active, going out with friends > spending 100 bucks a day on dope, waking up sick every morning, nodding my entire life away, stealing from family.
 
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