Opioids Opiate Addiction Thoughts from A Newb & Your Thoughts...

[blight12]

Having recently tried the only available street opiate here, H, in low doses, and only twice, I have noticed some addiction related symptoms.
Its been about 1.5 months since my experiences.

Having not experienced an opiate enough in dose or in consecutive days, I do not experience withdrawals or cravings and additionally I have not had enough experiences to be particularly excited about the euphoria or overall effects to cause a logical desire to repeat the experience.

However, I have experienced some form of addictive thinking, which is very interesting based on the above info, that does not present with other substances.

Essentially I have noticed that the very concept of an opiate makes my brain logically think and desire making use of it regularly and often, and also my thoughts often dwell on it and consider using it in different situations or even fitting it into situations where it might not be logical.

This experience is odd considering I can logically think of many other substances that I enjoy more or that would better fit into the considered situations.

This means opiates seem to be unique so far that it seems to have some other pull factor besides logical and planning based considerations, physical withdrawal cravings and psychological addiction related cravings.

I just thought this was interesting and might account for the common opinion of it being insidious in nature.

I was wondering if this sounds familiar to anybody and could perhaps explain its dangers better of if this is rather likely my own random subjective perception?

Thanks.

 

[i are spectre]

you should try and find some reason to stop as soon as you can because it will pull you in and take everything away from you; relationships, dignity, anything you may own. by then it is so hard to get back to real life without them so many give up and may overdose or even commit suicide because of the unbearable feelings of withdrawing from them.

 

[blight12]

^^ I never considered this before due to assuming its properties would be equal to other hard drugs like meth, but as I said it seems to have other unique dangers so caution is certinally required, more so then other drugs

 

[shreddedlettuce]

It's not only the "thinking" about it, the difference between opiates and the other drugs that you have used ( just from me reading your posts ), is actually the physical addiction.
Getting off a drug that is physically addictive (benzo's and opiates) would be so much harder to do.
The stims you have used don't carry that physical withdrawal and can be stopped cold turkey (as I am sure you are aware of), but with opiates it is both physical and psychological.

So I agree with "i are spectre" and forget about any more research into opiates, for your own safety.

Happy New Year bra.
Stay safe.

 

[tokenname]

opiates change the reward system in our brain..
more quickly and to a greater extent than most other substances.
the way i've described it..and not that it makes sense to anyone other than me.
is opiates tend to fill in what's missing..
whereas other substances tend to enhance whatever it is that i'm doing...
opiates tend to make me feel whole whether i'm doing anything or not.
it's difficult to give that up.
it's definitely psychological.. for me, in any case.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Damn blight, please don't start hitting the H as hard as you've been hitting the meth..

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

opiates change the reward system in our brain..
more quickly and to a greater extent than most other substances.
the way i've described it..and not that it makes sense to anyone other than me.
is opiates tend to fill in what's missing..
whereas other substances tend to enhance whatever it is that i'm doing...
opiates tend to make me feel whole whether i'm doing anything or not.
it's difficult to give that up.
it's definitely psychological.. for me, in any case.

I basically agree with this

It comes down to the psychological aspect, man

 

[KillSurfCity]

opiates change the reward system in our brain..
more quickly and to a greater extent than most other substances.
the way i've described it..and not that it makes sense to anyone other than me.
is opiates tend to fill in what's missing..
whereas other substances tend to enhance whatever it is that i'm doing...
opiates tend to make me feel whole whether i'm doing anything or not.
it's difficult to give that up.
it's definitely psychological.. for me, in any case.

so, SO very true. opiates make the world a wonderful place where nothing is too big of a deal. the psychological factor is intense. i have been on and off again for years. my latest binge (which i am still on currently) has been going strong for 7 months. every time i get clean, life is SO fucking boring. weed won't touch that boredom. the boredom. that is the worst part, for sure.

 

[DoctorShop]

I used opiates for over ten years. Mainly heroin (both powder and homebake), oxycontin, ms contins and codeine. The last three years I was on Suboxone. I am now opiate free and have been so for about 2-3 months.

However, I suffer from PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms). It basically causes anhedonia, depression, anxiety etc. I could feel like this for another week or I could feel like this for years.

I wouldn't continue this experiment if I were you.

 

[laugh]

Wise words. Keep up the good work Doc!

 

[blight12]

Great posts thanks all. With my desire to do it now after such a little taste, I can just imagine how difficult daily use or improved ROA's might be.

Not a good road to go down for sure... I think I will stick to the Kratom extacts, the strong ones felt similar in terms of euphoria to my low dose H experiences (with no real dreamy nod though unfortunately, but I prefer to remain functional anyways) and I could abuse that a lot without any of this wierd desire I have from the H. Though I know its still wise to be careful with the Kratom of course.

My problem now is that im really over stims, i want something chilled, and I have the added danger of far to much time on my hands (i hate boredom). I will also carefully try the PST to see if it has the same dangerous draw as the H, though im sure it probably will...

 

[kushrolledup]

Stop with the h as soon as possible. Its highly addictive and nothing but a highway to Hell. Take it from me, please quit while you can.

 

[wvdude]

I used opiates for over ten years. Mainly heroin (both powder and homebake), oxycontin, ms contins and codeine. The last three years I was on Suboxone. I am now opiate free and have been so for about 2-3 months.

However, I suffer from PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms). It basically causes anhedonia, depression, anxiety etc. I could feel like this for another week or I could feel like this for years.

I wouldn't continue this experiment if I were you.

DoctorShop, Your usage and time using was somewhat similar to mine. I would think you should be pretty darn close to PAWS easing up. Even though I don't know your overall health situation, I do not think it would be anything like another year, though, of course I know I could be wrong. But I really think it could be within weeks.
Thing is, with me anyways, you'll know it when it happens and, man it is a good thing. It wasn't earth shattering for me, I just one day got hit with whoa, I'm really not suffering anymore.

 

[majicBLUE]

When I was on these fucking things, I could deal with the physical aspect, as I know it'll be over in a few days, it's that same psychological withdrawal mixed with the physical PAIN that kept me locked into the cycle for years.

 

[MarkRenton]

opiates change the reward system in our brain..
more quickly and to a greater extent than most other substances.
the way i've described it..and not that it makes sense to anyone other than me.
is opiates tend to fill in what's missing..
whereas other substances tend to enhance whatever it is that i'm doing...
opiates tend to make me feel whole whether i'm doing anything or not.
it's difficult to give that up.
it's definitely psychological.. for me, in any case.

Yep. Opiates definitely fill in "what's missing" in life, and this feeling is extremely hard to let go of/forget.

 

[The Dope Man]

opiates change the reward system in our brain..
more quickly and to a greater extent than most other substances.
the way i've described it..and not that it makes sense to anyone other than me.
is opiates tend to fill in what's missing..
whereas other substances tend to enhance whatever it is that i'm doing...
opiates tend to make me feel whole whether i'm doing anything or not.
it's difficult to give that up.
it's definitely psychological.. for me, in any case.

best/most relateable post I have ever read on this website.

filling in whats missing. . . exactly

 

[belfort]

yes, if you are a person that gets bored easily or feels empty, opiates are a godsend..the drug makes you feel 'normal' and able to enjoy life.that is, until you run out.

i have been clean from opiates for 6-7 years and i STILL suffer from paws related symptoms, anhedonia, lethargy, a very low level of malaise.also, that feeling that something is 'missing'..i would say its quite hard for me to feel genuine enjoyment..

 

[i are spectre]

belfort: damn, what kind of usage?

 

[wvdude]

yes, if you are a person that gets bored easily or feels empty, opiates are a godsend..the drug makes you feel 'normal' and able to enjoy life.that is, until you run out.

i have been clean from opiates for 6-7 years and i STILL suffer from paws related symptoms, anhedonia, lethargy, a very low level of malaise.also, that feeling that something is 'missing'..i would say its quite hard for me to feel genuine enjoyment..

That's me to the tee. As I was like that before opiates, just didn't know then I was better off than living that up and down cycle all the time with opiates. BUT, at least now I have just enough contentment to keep me going without them.

 

[DoctorShop]

DoctorShop, Your usage and time using was somewhat similar to mine. I would think you should be pretty darn close to PAWS easing up. Even though I don't know your overall health situation, I do not think it would be anything like another year, though, of course I know I could be wrong. But I really think it could be within weeks.
Thing is, with me anyways, you'll know it when it happens and, man it is a good thing. It wasn't earth shattering for me, I just one day got hit with whoa, I'm really not suffering anymore.

Every day gets a little bit better. I actually found my old bicycle the other day and had the strongest urge to go out and get some exercise. Just need a pump for the tyres.

I can understand what others say about feeling as if something is missing. Opiates are all encompassing and when you stop taking them it is very hard to live a 'normal' life again.