OP experiment that I deceided to try based on the megathread

[GeisterxFahrer]

I was informed in the megathread that OP oxycontin, being a 12 hours medicaiton, in theory should release its oxycodone content into any solvent over a period of 12-18 hours, including water. What I did, was took three OP 20s dropped them, in entirety, into some water and waited 24 hours perodically checking the progress. At T-+3H I saw the pills had swollen up and become clear and inside they had a white substance inside (which I assumed was the oxycodone). At T-8H I checked again, and the pills have become massive, but there was much much less of the white stuff inside ofthem. Then at T-24H, I assumed that since the globs where completely clear, that all of the active ingredient had come out. So I carefully remoed the 3 globs and swallowed them so no to waste them. What I was left with, was water with a very mild viscosity. tasted some of the water, and it was not bitter what so over. I was always under the impression that oxy would have a bitter taste. Maybe I used too much water, who knows. Anyway, I drank the solution of approx 60mg of Oxycodone Hydrochloride. It did help a bit. Also it should that even though the majority of the pills were still intact (though grossly swollen and sticky), there was no more white (which I assume was the Oxy) inside them. So the question )in miy mind) is, what do you guys think the water contained after this 24 hour process, aside from a minor viscous consistency? Do you think that the majority of the Oxycodone Hydrochloride was in fact released into the water? I would think it would be, but then again, I am used to tasting a bitterness that was not found there, but when I chugged it, I didn't get immediate pain relief, it still took about an hour or so, but he relief only lasted maybe 2 hours. <B>Note:</B> it did however, see too what companies call "Dose Dump", and I definitely noticed that I had taken X amount of Oxycodone, though it did not feel as good as if I had taken two Roxycodone IRs, but it was still relaxing nonetheless.
So on to the questions...

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  One:
  
  Do you think that almost all of the Oxycodone HcL was released and dissolved into the water (or of course a lot with the viscous filler, but to a much lesser degree)?​

• Two:
  
  ---Because of the fact that the water that remained was till viscous, does this prove that at least some of the binders where also dissolved into the water (though on a much lesser degree)? I ask this because I have tried other methods, namely the coke/pepsi method, and the whole solution of it turned into an awful awful goo that seemed to rid the solution of CO2, and turn it into a small mixture of a coffee that had sugar and half & half in it. This 24 hours water "extraction" yielded much much much less "goo''. It seemed to me, at least, that the majority of the the binders and gelling agents that we are trying to avoid were still in the swollen glob of a a pill that had become clear after all of the white stuff (which i assume is the oxy) had diffused through the "gelly" coating of polymers---​

• and three:
  ---Every time I have tasted a solution of oxy in the past it has been bitter, but this water was not at all. Also I put one of the jelly globs of a swollen pill in my mouth and it too, had no bitter flavour.
  In Conclusion, does anyone have any idea what happened? Is Oxyccodone Hydrochloride not supposed to have a taste? I was under the impression that it was bitter.----

And one last question. If in fact all of the Oxycodone Hydrochloride DID in fact dissolve into this water over the period of 24 hours. What I have been able to take the water (since it still had traces of goo in it which I assume it part of the time release measure), Would that minute amount of goo prevent the solution from being pulled into a micron filter (in hopes of catching the remaining goo) so that the solution could be IV'ed, or dried and into a powder and snorted? I only ask because the goo amount in the left over water was sooooo minute. It wouldn't even stick to the walls of the container as it did with the pepsi/cola experiment for oral ingestion. So I am almost 100% sure that that is all the goo that remained in the final product. Some people have told me to put the water/goo into a spoon, and heat it up in hopes the that good would rise to the top (as people have done when shooting the old OC (whatever dose) in the past; so that we could just push that "gel" aside and filter up just the good stuff in the water. I assume that since there is so little goo in the solution of what I have created, and that it doesn't make the water gel up at all (when a little but of water water is added, and the water still has full mobility, that something else could be done using this sadly, time consuming formula (though in my opinions, if it works, I would be willing to wait a day to be able to IV some good ol oxy; maybe Purdue, in all their milliions of dollars of testing, just didnt assumt that some "users", or as I like to call us, chemists, would not have to patience to wait 24 hours to do this procedure. Do you think heat would do what it did to the old good Oxycontin's and bring the remaining gel to the top of the spoon so that it could be just scraped off and eaten, just in case anything is still trapped in it even after 24 hours, since, at least from what I have read on other threads, the destruction of oxycodone does not occur until a rather high temperature is obtained? I wish I could find the thread, but I am too lazy right now to look for it since I am in the zone researching this.
But back to the water that I obtained from the three oxycontin (OP formulation) 20s I used, wouldn't the water left behind have a bitter taste if the oxy taste to it? It was weird, like I said, that neither the water, nor the gelly blobs that were the pills had a bitter taste. But lets say that there IS in fact oxycodone in the water. do you think the remaining "goo", seeing as how its suhc a minute amount could be filtered on by a wheel filter? like i mentioned above, I added water to my solution, and there was absolutely no gelling whatever so ever. No heat was used this far into the process, so I know the oxycodone was not lost somewhere a long the way. Does anyone have any ideas? Would heat separate the remaining go to the top of the spoon leaving behind mostly oxy water since the destruction point of oxy is a rather high temperature. or whould a micron filter be able to filter out this goo? leaving behind supposed oxywater. What worried me is that fact that the water/good left behind after 24hrs did not have a bitter oxy taste. What do you guys thinK

I only write this because I am so so tired of seeing people doing things like microwaving (which melts teh plastics and IMO, contaminates the oxy with burned plastic), or any number of supposed "extraction techniques" that are easily findable on this site.
Please be honest with your opinions, and please refrain from being rude. I am just trying to help the community as a whole. so even if it turns out that my idea is completely stupid, please choose nice words to say so.[/FONT]
Does anyone have any experience with trying extraction this way? Yea it takes a long time, BUT... if it IS possible to get rid of what little goo is left in the the oxy liquid, then in theory it should be entirely possible to snort/IV this water if in fact the small amount of goo could be separated. Because from my tests, I added a little more water to the mix, and it did NOT form ANY gel whatsoever. Anyone have any thoughts?

 

[sekio]

I was informed in the megathread that OP oxycontin, being a 12 hours medicaiton, in theory should release its oxycodone content into any solvent over a period of 12-18 hours, including water.

This is wrong. The pills were designed to rel;ease in conditions similar to the human stomach and intestines; water is much too inert to do a good extraction unless you're essentially boiling pill dust. I remember seeing a powerpoint slide from Purdue, i think it was, that said that even with a good multi-solvent extraction you are lucky to pull 80% of the oxycodone out of the time release. Oxycodone hydrochloride and solutions thereof are indeed bitter like all other alkaloid solutions. Purdue just did a really good job making an undefeatable time release.

Please refrain from using silly font and speculating so much in future ADD posts, it's hard to read your wall of text when you restate your points and questions over and over.

[edit]: The formulation that the OP's use is apparently an ammonium methacrylate ion-exchange resin, so you'd need either an acid or a basic catalyst to seperate the OC from the matrix. This is why people use pop, I guess.

If you study physiology, the GI tract changes pH a fair amount. Perhaps replicating the process ex vivo would work. (lots of acid, lots of base, then bring slowly towards neutral).

 

[GeisterxFahrer]

I apologize for repeating myself so often. I also read on a purdue PDF that even in water, after 12-18 hours, the oxy would have released from the gelling of the pill. I watching it every now and then, and after it had swollen up i saw the white inside, and over a few hours, the amount of white inside the blob decreased, and after 24 hours there was no more white in the big gel blobs. Tis the only reason I asked.

 

[sekio]

Dissolved oxycodone is not visible to the eye; the cloudiness and viscosity is probably from the povidone or modified cellulose (2 other slightly easier to defeat binders) in the OP's.

 

[GeisterxFahrer]

Dissolved oxycodone is not visible to the eye; the cloudiness and viscosity is probably from the povidone or modified cellulose (2 other slightly easier to defeat binders) in the OP's.

Is there a way I would be able to tell if the oxycodone actually made it into the water? And if the leftover goo is slightly easier to defeat, would I be able to get it out an just keep the water (if it has oxy in it?), but like i said, its not bitter. The globs werent even bitter either, so the oxy has to be somewhere there.

 

[Vader]

OP, I'm sorry, but I had to change that font, it was an affront to the eyes. You'll get more answers with it like this.

 

[sekio]

Oxycodone bound to polymer wouldn't be bitter. I think you simply disssolved the time release polymer but didn't release much at all of the oxycodone from the polymer itself.

The best way to tell the presence of oxycodone is the bitter alkaloidal taste that a fairly concentrated solution will have. There is no way for the layman to seperate "soluble binders" and oxycodone, however, so it wouldn't neccesarily to be safe to just IV dissolved pill juice.

I suggest trying an extraction thusly:
(replicating the mouth)
Start with a slightly basic solution (e.g. NaHCO3, add crushed pill dust.
(replicating the stomach)
Shock the pH very low (acidic, e.g. HCl). Hold and boil for an hour or so.
(replicating the small intestine)
Bring the pH much higher (basic, NaCO3), hold pH and boil it again. (Freebase alkaloid will likely cloud out at this stage)
(replicating thje large intestine)
Bring the pH back to neutral (add acid, dil. HCl or citric), simmer, and decant/filter the polymer out. The liquid will be a crude mixture of binders, polymer monomers, and oxycodone salts. If you want an IV suitable solution I storngly suggest micron filtering, and making sure that the solution is at roughly physiological pH before shooting.

 

[GeisterxFahrer]

Oxycodone bound to polymer wouldn't be bitter. I think you simply disssolved the time release polymer but didn't release much at all of the oxycodone from the polymer itself.

The best way to tell the presence of oxycodone is the bitter alkaloidal taste that a fairly concentrated solution will have. There is no way for the layman to seperate "soluble binders" and oxycodone, however, so it wouldn't neccesarily to be safe to just IV dissolved pill juice.

I suggest trying an extraction thusly:
(replicating the mouth)
Start with a slightly basic solution (e.g. NaHCO3, add crushed pill dust.
(replicating the stomach)
Shock the pH very low (acidic, e.g. HCl). Hold and boil for an hour or so.
(replicating the small intestine)
Bring the pH much higher (basic, NaCO3), hold pH and boil it again. (Freebase alkaloid will likely cloud out at this stage)
(replicating thje large intestine)
Bring the pH back to neutral (add acid, dil. HCl or citric), simmer, and decant/filter the polymer out. The liquid will be a crude mixture of binders, polymer monomers, and oxycodone salts. If you want an IV suitable solution I storngly suggest micron filtering, and making sure that the solution is at roughly physiological pH before shooting.

Ahhh Thank you very much, that is the most elaborate and best explanation I have read on any forums regarding the OPs. I must thank you for your response. I suppose I should just stick to oral ingestion. The only problem is, even with that, I would at least like to some how circumvent the time release. Essentially creating an IR formulation for oral ingestion. Seems like that would be much easier. I did think it was interesting though, watching the pills swell up REALLy big in the water and turn clear, and slowly leak the white stuff out of it. And as for IVing, I always use a micron. It is just so so hard to find H up here. Even though where I am, georgraphically, should have PLENTY of it. I just do not know the right people. I used to always IV pills. but I have read on numerous threads that IVing H is saver than IVing pills, even with a wheel filter. but I cannot for the life of me find any. Oh well, it may be for the best.

Do you have any advice on turning the OP into an IR? without having to make it "snortable" or "IVable"?

Again, I do appreciated the amount of information you provided.