OP 80 First Time - Questions

[BinkysForEveryone]

MODS - I apologize if this is in the incorrect spot but after some research this seemed like the place to post my question.


I've got my hands on one OP 80...but I've never done them before. I researched the heck out of it and saw about all the gelling up talk, etc, yada yada so I've decided I just want to swallow it straight up. No cracking, chewing, etc...so please only reply with comments concerning taking the pill whole as directed.

Now, the reason for my post is I'm mildly concerned about whether my tolerance is high enough to take it straight up. I've never taken oxycodone before, but I can take anywhere between 70-80 mg of hydrocodone in a single dose, and over the last 2 days i've popped 16 mg per dose of hydromorphone 3 times a day with no problems. So as you can see I've got a tolerance...but is an OP 80 going to be too much for me to handle?

I've heard reports saying that the time release mechanism of the pill distributes 1/3 of the pill (26.67 mg) immediately, and then the remaining 2/3 of the pill is broken up over the next 8-12 hours to keep it at a stable dose. If this is true it sounds like the max dose I have to be concerned about at any one time while on the pill is 26.67 mg of oxycodone right? If that makes sense.

From what I understand oxycodone is about 1.5 times as powerful as hydrocodone so an equivilent hydro dose would be a little over 40 mg right? Which I could handle. That is if that's an accurate conversion. Also since it's a different type of opiod is there going to be an cross tolerance adjustment to change that?

What do you guys think? Basically just looking for piece of mind as I've never taken Oxy and want to make sure I'm doing this safe.

Thanks in advance for everyone's comments.

 

[effie]

Hi Binkey, welcome to BDD! This is indeed the right place for dosing questions

I'm not an expert on US pharmaceutical opioids as I live in the UK, so will let someone else answer, but just wanted to say its really nice having someone new to BL doing their research and asking a sensible question

PLus there is a link to an opiate convesion table in my signature if you want to check your conversions (am really tired so not going to attempt to work it out myself, I'd probably get it wrong!)

Hope you get the answer you need and enjoy it safely

 

[TheLostBoys]

I recommend splitting the 80mg in half & chewing up 40mgs of it. To me thats about equal to 60mgs of hydrocodone. Oxycodone is definitely stronger & a different kind of high. I myself prefer hydrocodone & morphine over oxycodone any day of the week.

 

[BinkysForEveryone]

From what I understand with the new Purdue formula chewing it will just cause it to gel up and be a waste no? Also, there seems to be conflicting reports whether chewing this new formulation really even defeats the time release mechanism at all. I might just get an upset stomach with a bunch of fillers in it.

Honestly I was really looking to stay away from breaking it at all if possible. Wanted to know if I could just pop it straight up based on my tolerance.

 

[TheLostBoys]

From what I understand with the new Purdue formula chewing it will just cause it to gel up and be a waste no? Also, there seems to be conflicting reports whether chewing this new formulation really even defeats the time release mechanism at all. I might just get an upset stomach with a bunch of fillers in it.

Honestly I was really looking to stay away from breaking it at all if possible. Wanted to know if I could just pop it straight up based on my tolerance.

Sure you can pop it straight up & im assuming it will take away the pain but I dont think you will get as high as you would with the old formulation. If you want it to really kick your ass, cut it up as finely as you can & dump it in a half can of Pepsi & let it sit over night. Drink it the next day & it will hit you hard.

 

[BinkysForEveryone]

Btw...you said Oxycodone is a "different" kind of high. What did you mean by that? Hydro's usually make me super chatty and euphoric but I'm done with all that APAP man. Shit's bad for you and I'm too lazy to do a CWE.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Btw...you said Oxycodone is a "different" kind of high. What did you mean by that? Hydro's usually make me super chatty and euphoric but I'm done with all that APAP man. Shit's bad for you and I'm too lazy to do a CWE.

I understand your concern for all that tylenol in those pills. Tylenol sends about 58,000 to the E.R. every year because of an overdose. It also kills over 200 people a year from what ive read, I personally think its way more than that.

As far as the difference in the high goes, to me at least, its a high that I dont like. It does take the pain away but it never gave me the euphoria everyone talks about like hydrocodone does for me. I rather take some percs, they give me a better high than just regular oxycodone. I had a friend that would get those blue oxycodones by Qualitest & I tried those but never liked the high. Oxycodone is not my choice & its definitely different than hydrocodone. Also, I never snorted pills so maybe thats why I never liked oxy because it seems that everyone that likes them, snorts them.

 

[BinkysForEveryone]

So I didn't take it last night cause I didn't want to waste it since I'm guessing it's gonna last awhile and I want to be able to enjoy it. Thinking about popping it today. I just want to be clear...you don't think I have any risk of OD just swallowing it whole do you? I listed my tolerance above. Just want to be safe.

 

[stray cat]

people are probably going to be pretty wary of directly telling you something like "no, you WILL NOT overdose..." it would be hard, if not impossible, for anyone to make that judgment call over the internet.

given the tolerance you reported, and the fact that you can evidently take 16mg of hydromorphone several times daily (you didn't say what roa but i dont think it really matters in this case), my guess is that you will be fine on one 80mg time-released oxycodone. if you're worried about it, maybe bite it in half or something, then take the other half after a few hours?

 

[effie]

people are probably going to be pretty wary of directly telling you something like "no, you WILL NOT overdose..." it would be hard, if not impossible, for anyone to make that judgment call over the internet.

given the tolerance you reported, and the fact that you can evidently take 16mg of hydromorphone several times daily (you didn't say what roa but i dont think it really matters in this case), my guess is that you will be fine on one 80mg time-released oxycodone. if you're worried about it, maybe bite it in half or something, then take the other half after a few hours?

^ This, basically.. it's pretty much impossible to say you will definitely be fine, can just give opinions based on the info you give and people's knowledge/experience. Generally if in doubt, start low and build up - I appreciate you just want to take it whole, but we can't make promises that it will 100% be fine - I'd never do that, even if the dose seemed really small! And even if we did, we might be wrong, it's not like a magic protective shield that will stop you ODing..

If breaking it in half won't fuck it up in any way (don't understand these fancy American pills, haha) then taking half then the other half later sounds like the most sensible plan to me, if you are worrying about taking it all. If you want to take it whole then my view is that if you can take 80mg hydrocodone all in one go, 80mg oxycodone MR should be fine, as it's equivalent to roughly 120mg hydrocodone but not all at once. But no one is going to promise you that you won't OD. Sounds like you've researched it well, you just want a guarantee that we can't give..

Was going to close it but shall just see if anyone else with more experience than me has anything to add..

 

[BinkysForEveryone]

Sorry, I forgot to put the ROA for the hydromorphone. I take 2 8mg pills orally (chewed) 3 times a day when I have them (which has been every day this last week). Hydromorphone orally has a horrible bioavailability (like 33% I think), but I get a minor buzz from 2. I haven't taken hydrocodone in about a week, but when I do I generally take 70-80 mg, also orally. I'm not a big fan of snorting anything...or really any ROA other than PO honestly.

I understand no one can guarantee me anything, that makes sense. I guess I was just looking for piece of mind cause I've never taken oxycodone before and I know every opiate is different in it's effects. I generally have horrible anxiety about taking any new drug really, so my way of dealing with that is to over research the shit out of it and ask other's about their experiences.

I will consider biting it in half but does that ruin the time release on these new Oxy formulations? I'm not looking to release 40mg of oxycodone straight up into my body. Also I heard a rumor that when you chew or crush these new OP pills it basically negates the oxycodone in the pill. Like it gets surrounded by gel and the drug becomes a waste. Any truth to that?

Btw, thanks for everyone's assistance. I know my questions maybe be newbish, but I gain confidence through preperation. The time each of you has taken to help me out has been greatly appreciated.

 

[effie]

Have merged your two posts together, is generally best to edit your post rather than double-post

Don't worry at all about questions being newbie-ish - this is a basic drug discussion forum, and we're here to help! Ask away, never worry that your question is too simple or silly.. Didn't mean to sound grumpy in my post, just explaining why no one can say 100% you will be fine and have no problems.. hope it came across okay

Shall leave this open as you have asked another question specifically about how breaking the pill in half will affect the time release mechanism, and about chewing/gelling. I don't know the answers, but I'm sure someone else does! :D

 

[stray cat]

from what i know about the OP formulation, biting a pill in half should not circumvent or defeat the time release. on the other hand, i do not believe that biting one in half will render the oxycodone therein useless or anything like that. based on your experience and relatively moderate tolerance, 80 mg time-released in OP form does not sound like it would be too much for you to handle. however, as stated, noone can give you any sort of safety guarantee, and taking drugs (especially those not prescribed to you) always carries a certain amount of inherent risk.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Sorry, I forgot to put the ROA for the hydromorphone. I take 2 8mg pills orally (chewed) 3 times a day when I have them (which has been every day this last week). Hydromorphone orally has a horrible bioavailability (like 33% I think), but I get a minor buzz from 2. I haven't taken hydrocodone in about a week, but when I do I generally take 70-80 mg, also orally. I'm not a big fan of snorting anything...or really any ROA other than PO honestly.

I understand no one can guarantee me anything, that makes sense. I guess I was just looking for piece of mind cause I've never taken oxycodone before and I know every opiate is different in it's effects. I generally have horrible anxiety about taking any new drug really, so my way of dealing with that is to over research the shit out of it and ask other's about their experiences.

I will consider biting it in half but does that ruin the time release on these new Oxy formulations? I'm not looking to release 40mg of oxycodone straight up into my body. Also I heard a rumor that when you chew or crush these new OP pills it basically negates the oxycodone in the pill. Like it gets surrounded by gel and the drug becomes a waste. Any truth to that?

Btw, thanks for everyone's assistance. I know my questions maybe be newbish, but I gain confidence through preperation. The time each of you has taken to help me out has been greatly appreciated.

Obviously chewing these new Op's are nothing like the old formulation because the rush I would get from the old ones was pretty good compared to the new lame ones. You do not render the new Op's helpless because of chewing them & them gelling up. They still get you high faster than if taken whole.