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I have gone to the doctors maybe once a year for the past 13 years, well maybe 4/5 years ago i saw them several times a year as was having problems.

Everytime, doesn't matter whether its my normal doctor or a different practice they all start with trying to get my into conceselling (SP?!) or say "you just the kind of person who wants to be told something is wrong, but there isn't your just fine"

So why do I find it incredably hard to socially bond with people - I can chat to anyone but bonding is something that rarely occurs and is why I become a nomad in society

Why do I get agressive to family and the few that i find close even though I don't want to be, and think what a dick i was later?!

will CBT help overcome that?
 
Before I had ever heard of CBT i used to cope with myself by taking the negative thought that instantly sprung to mind and telling my self that it was the least likely of any number of possible outcomes in this situation and that I should try to think of other more likely, more agreeable reasons for what is happening. So that I could realise that there was no reason to be anxious, because what I was worried about probably wouldn't happen anyway and I was (probably) being irrational.

A break form drugs helps too, but then it starts again even without drugs, I feel the need to 'reset' myself and it begins again.

Metaprogramming is bare the way forwards ;)
 
hirsty said:
I know this opinion isn't probably going to go down well. but fuck it..

Does no one else find some of the threads on here quite poignant? ie, this is a drug forum, and most people on here seem to have some form of mental issues.. It just makes me think constantly of that classic line from human traffic "reaching for the lasers might in later life see your reaching for the prescriptions"..

And I just think it's so true.. Sure, I was a little bit fucked up before I started takin drugs, but the mental anguish i've ended up with as a result of hammering drugs over the last 5 years has fucked me up 10 times more. And it seems alot of people on here are in a similar boat in terms of mental illnesses most ""normal"" people don't seem to be afflicted by.

I don't do drugs anymore apart from hammerin the booze and the odd 10 bag of weed every few weeks.. but it does literally make me think of the phrase "drugs are for mugs"... Maybe I was so deluded at the time to get involved in it, maybe the media IS right and drugs fuck your head up, regardless of the moderation.. Every person I know that does drugs in some way isnt quite there.. Not sayin this is a bad thing, but generally it tends to bring on bad feelings.

just my 2 cents anyways.. i'm semi glad i got outta that scene when i did.. All my mates back in newcaslte are still involved in it, but they were always betta at moderation than me.. but in the back of my head i cant stop thinking about them, worrying that they might go the same way as me.. Even if they never go full on and start boshing 50mg diaz/ 2g ket, 1g weed, 12 beers every single day liek i did, i stil cant stop thinking that in some way the longer it goes on the worse things are gonna be for the mind. :S
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Bit of a big presumptious jump to go from "people have mental health issues" to "must be caused by drugs".

You literally have no idea whatsoever what anyone's particular issues are related to in this thread, so your opinion doesn't go down well because you can't show that drugs are a causative factor for people in this thread.

Of course I am not trying to argue that using drugs can't and hasn't led to destabilising people's mental state but it's hardly a foregone conclusion is it?

You say your issues with drug use came from being unable to moderate your useage which is not an experience you can use to generalise about other people's mental helath issues.

I also believe that, in reality, most people will experience some kind of mental health issue in their life, whether they choose to seek advice about it or not. Mental health problems are not something that is unusual or restricted to certain sections of the population.
 
It's all about what you ask for at the GP, if you don't want to just have drugs thrown at you then tell them that. Any GP worth their salt should know that drugs alone are not going to amount to a cure and should be looking at a combination of methods to improve your life as appropriate.

Yes people on this forum have mental health issues, like probably every single person does in their entire life. What link are you actually propsoing between drug use and mental health issues if not a causative one?

That sad people do things as a form of escapism? Don't suppose anyone would debate that but that does not necessarily mean that drugs make these issues worse which you seem to be implying.
 
the way i see it is that people with issues such as anxiety/depression are more likely to experiement in states of altered consciousness than they would be without those issues.
 
yes this is true.. but do you not think that this usage then probably correlates to greater feelings of anxiety/depression etc in the long run?
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drug use can lead to greater SHORT TERM feelings of depression and anxiety, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that occasional drug use leads to long term depression?

having mental problems and taking drugs do not go hand in hand simples!
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I disagree completely, what do you mean by mental problems? Sometimes blowing off steam in the form of a rinse out can have great stress relieving/mood elevating properties. Confidence and relationships built through drugs such as MDMA can be carried on into sober life and reduce anxiety issues. More caution needs to be carried out when using drugs with mental problems but to suggest people with mental problems should not use drugs is ridiculous imo!
 
Again, you can't generalise your experience as the experience that can be had with these things. Pretty sure that most members on here realise at least some of the possible negative implications of their drug use but life is full of risks you must navigate.
 
Evad said:
the way i see it is that people with issues such as anxiety/depression are more likely to experiement in states of altered consciousness than they would be without those issues.
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I am certain this is the case for me and most likely a great many others here too. Any issues I may have were pre-existing and rampant drug abuse probably did exacerbate some of them at times - especially heavy and extended use of CNS depressants. On the other hand, I'm also 100% sure that use of certain drugs - specifically psyches and MDMA - is the only reason I'm still around to tell the tale. Even my drugs counsellors and doctors have said the same thing cos they get to see the differences.

It's also worth remembering that both psyches and MDMA have been used with great success in treating mental health issues and addiction. Far more effective than standard drug treatment and therapy in many cases.
 
Yes the higher incidence of mental health issues with people on this site is mostly because those with these kinds of problems in the first place are far more likely to abuse drugs in their life. Pretty much everyone I've met who has a history of substance addiction has some underlying issue whether it be manic depression, anxiety, phobias, etc.
 
Of course that doesn't mean that you have to have a mental health issue to have a problem with drugs, just that the former makes the latter more likely.
 
When people find out you enjoy drugs and have any mental issues, they're very quick to pin the issues on the drugs.

Personally, I reckon I have low-mid level anxiety (self-diagnosed and self-treated with 5-htp), but problems stem from way back and are mostly to do with self confidence.

Actually, my discovery of pills (at the ripe old age of 26!) helped me over a really crap point. Then later I realised I'd have to give them up once I began getting sleep paralysis in the wake. That's not to say I'd never do a pill again... and I def need to try crystal MDMA.

I found over the two years of doing meph that I'd get unsociable comedowns, but my general anxiety level didn't rise.
 
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