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Onieric Experience - Meeting with myself

DemonSeed

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Good evening Bluelight. You know, I think some onieric trip reports have their place here. My dream state is clearly forever affected by my psychedelics use. I consider oneiric experiences as being definitly psychedelics. They are the experiences I enjoy the most. The etymology of psychedelic is, psyknhe for mind and deloun for making visible, reaveal, and from delos; visible, clear. A oneiric experience is exactly that, a altered state produced by your brain, possibly linked to DMT. I think we could all benefit from reports like this one, deep oneric spiritual dream. It was translates from french, points out about spelling if you feel in the mood. Comments. Thanks. All names in this report are fictive.

08-12-2006


Onieric Experience

Meeting with myself



I just spent the whole night dreaming. In several of my dreams appeared familiar characters. I am not writing this to tell about the story of these dreams which are too numerous, disparate and confusing. The evening before, I was hanging out at my friend Nash house basement. I went back home, got in bed, but before I meditate about dream. I wish to become lucid at the time of my dreams. I sometimes have lucid ones like several other persons. No matter how lucid one becomes, as conscious of the state of dream, which is quite of relative control, clearness remains marked, directed by the unconscious one. Until now, I did nothing but carry out my desires such as sex. What generally ends in the destruction of the scene without waking up, experiencing afterwards a sub-conscious feeling of frustration. Then, it is the blackout. I decide while meditating to change my perspective. In the oneiric world, plus the emotions are intensified, such as fear in a nightmare, the dreamer goes out of unconsciousness. What is fabulous in lucid dreaming, it is to remain contemplative which maintain the state over a longer period. I like to walk, to explore the kingdoms of the dream universe, this other reality. One day, I was in a village of the Woods. There, I met a monk hiding his face under a hood. I asked him how was called this charming place. « Faïra » did he answers. I found nothing about this place on the Internet.

I come to my dream. In various scenes, I often find myself with Nash, Rico and Jean-Simon. A scene in particular pushes me to write this. I am in the street, I must go back to Nash house, to give him back two steaks knifes which I play with as if they are swords while on my way. I meet him on the porch. I do not recognize my friend. He has a strange air, almost a mocking smile, quasi condescending. He is as the majority of the beings which I meet in my lucid dreams. It often happens to me to meet my family, which have the same attitude. I say to the members of my family that they are in my dream. They laugh at me and say « No », like I am wrong. And me, I laugh because they refuse to believe me. I read an article by Terence Mekenna on possible meeting with discarned entities under the effect of DMT which describe similar attitude from entities. Dreams are suspected to be related to DMT which have been proved to be produced in the human brain. I become suspicious of my friend and slightly lucid when I meet him on the porch. I ask « Nash » who he is truly; he answers me in these exact words : « I am you ». He takes one of my hand while the scene dissolves in darkness and I continue to feel « Nash » hand, which is clearly not Nash. I am being filled of kindness, even of love by the exchange. It remembers me the time I hold hand with a hooded ghost when on diphenhydramine. That moment lasts sufficiently long so that I can benefit from it and even think. I am initially surprised, am then upset by this quasi homosexual gesture. It is to be noted that I am heterosexual. For the last moment, I do not make anything else except enjoying this handshake of love with myself. Ah! Now I see through it well that my oneiric family told me the truth when it claimed that it was not in my dream. It is rather me which is in their world. This reality is my deep nature, my true me that I cannot recognize.

I again become almost conscious and fall down again in the oneiric world. I see my brother Tom opening the door of my room, telling me the hour, but only the minutes (and thirty-five). In its ton, there is something of pressing « Go! You should rise! ». I awake again, for real this time, throws an eye on my dial which indicates 8:36 AM. The time to wake up and look at the clock, the minutes passed from thirty-five to thirty-six. At the moment of the dream, when this « Tom » tells me the hour, I suppose that it was indeed 8:35 AM. I am convinced that it was not a concidence. I believe in the concidences.

I am accustomed in my lucid dreams to carry out my desires, such as having sex with girls or making all kind of amusing things such as doing snowboard like a professional. Since I practice contemplation by the meditation and consume psychedelics, I decided to change my approach, to put my desires on side. I became more observant, exploring and contemplative of my own world. Before laying down yesterday evening, I meditated on the subject. I came to this decision and to the one to question the characters of my dreams.

The scene where everything becomes darkness and empty is not new for me. It is, I think, synonymous of recognition and acceptance of my deep nature. For the bodhisattva, a level that leads towards Illumination. I have always the impression to rise to another echelon at the time of these rare events. Last spring, I lived something similar. Being pursued by a bear in the woods, I turned over to face my fear, recognizing the fear as being a part of myself. Soothsayers drunk, floating gently in the airs as a valkyrie, everything sunk into darkness. The similarity between these two passages of dreams is revealing. The oneiric world, as real as consensual reality, is a key to enter in contact, to become aware of our deep self. How to speak about the feeling? I feel slightly euphoric and I write with pleasure and energy. It is not MDMA, as a sarcastic note. The morning, I always lack motivation and feel sleepy. I could drink coffee, but I do it only rarely. For those which have developed the skill of lucid dreaming, I advise to try to put your desires on side, these supposed illusions. You should become contemplative in your dreams as in reality such as defines by positivism. This famous third eye, the Penetrating Sight, it is partly the oneiric dimension. Well, this is what I think.
 
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Interesting! Good report. You do have a point saying that dreaming can be interpreted as being a psychadelic experience if you are going to think about it as a self fabricated DMT dose! I've experienced lucid dreaming only a couple of times and even then only just as in an awaral of being asleep and a very limited ability to change stuff, but oddly i had my first, almost fully conscious (in some respects) episode this saturday. I was lying in bed listening to some quiet sambient music, just thinking about things idley until i started to become aware of the fact that i was experiencing closed eye visuals. I was obviously very close to sleep at this stage because i thought that i was looking around (my friend's, where i was) room and eg. that i was looking at stuff on the walls when really i was facing the ceiling and also that the light was switched off and the room was pitch black.
Next thing i know i'm in a deserted city, which looks quite similar to my home town, liverpool, except it is more old seeming in its architecture and 'feel'. at this time i was completely aware that i was sleeping and even of where i was physically for a lot of the time. i found though that if i tried to concentrate on one particular thing for too long though, i would wake up (which i did a few times but then i would resume dreaming and i was still in the same mental scene). i was making a conscious effort to stay asleep and i was even making psychoanalytical notes about the different things i saw and what they might mean to me. i've never experienced this degree of lucidity before! i was very close to being awake for most of it but the world was still completely immersive. it's almost like being in virtual reality! (actually on second thoughts this is exactly what it is!)
i found that the best way to stay in this state was to concentrate on something in the distance (eg. a statue, just head and shoulders- a bust) and walk or run towards it. however when i got to it and i couldn't make out it's face, the more i concentrated the more i woke up- so i had to focus on something else and run towards it ha! it is amazing what your mind can do. i also tried to do things i desired eg. i did actually manage to fly! was very fun and i could feel a very physical rush as i did this. i can't remember it that well though unfortunately.
I would love to learn how to do this at will! Any tips?
 
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Thanks for reading and sharing. Dreams are definitely psychedelics experiences, the most natural ones, and in my opinion the most interesting. They can get so real, to a point where you come to consider these worlds as undoubtedly real. My first step in lucid dreaming was induced by psychedelics, DXM and mushrooms. You are asking about tips, well, psychedelics are one. They are also plenty of little tricks and even light devices (I don't use those personally) to acquire lucidity in dreams. I would suggest checking out this web site for the best tips and knowledge on the subject: http://www.lucidity.com/
 
DemonSeed said:
Thanks for reading and sharing. Dreams are definitely psychedelics experiences, the most natural ones, and in my opinion the most interesting. They can get so real, to a point where you come to consider these worlds as undoubtedly real. My first step in lucid dreaming was induced by psychedelics, DXM and mushrooms. You are asking about tips, well, psychedelics are one. They are also plenty of little tricks and even light devices (I don't use those personally) to acquire lucidity in dreams. I would suggest checking out this web site for the best tips and knowledge on the subject: http://www.lucidity.com/

Fascinating stuff! I have more to read but what i've looked at has been very thought provoking. One of the suggestions for prolonging a lucid dream is to 'spin around'. This sounds similar to how i managed to stay asleep for a bit longer by looking at things and running after them. It's really amazing how you can just look around at your surroundings and your mind has already created what you are going to see, without you consciously knowing what it's going to be. I'd actually taken acid the previous weekend so maybe that had some input, i suspect that it did. Do you think that you have learnt much from acheiving this state? Is it always enjoyable? Does it have any side effects you've noticed?
 
Thats pretty cool man. I would love to know how to have a lucid dream, as it seems pretty damn real from your report. Also, about the psychedelic nature of dreams. They are definately psychedelic, in every sense of the word. Meaning Mind-Manifesting. Also, I dont, however, see how DMT could play that strong of a role in dreaming. Tryptamines, often acompanied by tell tale signs of use, such as the Geometric Patterns, stimulation, and Euphoria, in my opinion would be hard to miss even if sleeping. A high enough dose of DMT to cause Entitiy contact, would be diificult to attain while sleeping, because tolerance builds so fast.
Fascinating report though, This should be fun to discuss!
 
Well although its not a trip report (which makes it iffy no matter what the content is), there's no reason to close it due to the intense discussion already being created. As long as these dont become a habit. (this message is for any potential "reporters", loading up our email boxes =D)


Cool info. Ive had some lucid dreaming myself, but its only voluntary about 10% of the time or less. But when it happens, and I realize Im in control, it's awesome. It's like an occasional gift from the sleep gods.
 
Echoversion said:
I'd actually taken acid the previous weekend so maybe that had some input, i suspect that it did. Do you think that you have learnt much from acheiving this state? Is it always enjoyable? Does it have any side effects you've noticed?

LSD could definitly has played a role in increasing the intensity of your dreams and its content as well as allowing lucidity. It's the nights after I take a psychedelic (pretty much any psychedelic, the 2C does the trick very well) that I have intense, colored, and lucid dreams. Psychedelics or residual effects of those, I think, increase your awareness of the dream state in which consciouness (the 'me', what you consider you) plays a minor role. To make a comparison, the same applies to ordinary psychedelics experiences. What I mean, is we are 'cheating' with the other components of our whole self, allowing the consciouness to become aware of what it doesn't necessarily have to be.

I don't think I learned much from my lucid dreams, I haven't been into this enough to really get something out of it. This meeting with my deep nature though was a big revelation. It made me realize that the familiar characters I meet are in fact characters-symboles used by my unconsciousness to communicate (and much more) with me. Just the night after that dream, in another one, I was with my 'brother', to who I told I finally understood I wasn't in MY dreams, but that I was rather in someone else realm. My 'brother' didn't said a thing, but he seemed to acknowledge what I was telling him. Apart from that, when I faced that bear, my fear, recognizing it as a part of myself, I feel like something changed in me. I don't know. It's hard to seize the purpose, the meaning of those events.

It is not always enjoyable. I have experienced a lot of pleasure, like being high on various non-existant psychedelics. It could be some kind of flashbacks experienced during dreams, I dunno. On the other hand, I had horrible dreams, not necessearly nightmares, but dreams where I get beat up (and it hurts!). In one of them, my brother beats me up and I wake up in tears and I think 'damn what's wrong with my fucking stupid brother?'. Once the dream or nightmare is over, I always end up calming myself down very easily. I love all of my dreams, even the bad ones. At least, just for the intense emotions.

I didn't notice any serious negative side-effects. In fact, since lucid dreaming only occurs while you are sleeping deeply, it's very beneficial, since your body and mind recovers more when you are at this level. What is especially fun is that while being sleepy, in your dream, you doesn't feel sleepy. I just had two nights with insomnia and no real dreams at all and both of the last days I felt out of energy, frustrated, mad, etc.


Beenhead said:
Also, I dont, however, see how DMT could play that strong of a role in dreaming. Tryptamines, often acompanied by tell tale signs of use, such as the Geometric Patterns, stimulation, and Euphoria, in my opinion would be hard to miss even if sleeping. A high enough dose of DMT to cause Entitiy contact, would be diificult to attain while sleeping, because tolerance builds so fast.

I don't think DMT is THE brain chemical causing the state of dream. It certainly involves a whole lot of other natural chemicals. I don't know much, almost nothing about this. I just heard DMT is suspected to be linked to dreaming and spontaneous mystical experiences and such things. Think of it, when you smoke DMT or drink Ayahuasca, the DMT doesn't goes in your system the same way. The brain may have its own way to produce softer, more natural, pharmacology different psychedelics trips (dreams) to which DMT could be related. Of course, as I said, it's all hypothetic, because I don't know much about the brain chemistry. Just sharing my thoughts about it. Just a last thing, about tolerance. From what I think (I could be wrong), tolerance only applies to foreign psychoactive substances you put in your body. I don't think we build a tolerance to our own brain chemicals 'drugs' such as serotonin and dopamine, that wouldn't make sense. Tolerance is a sign from your body meaning, I think, that it doesn't want to be flowed all the time by foreign psychoactive substances. Am not saying doing drugs is bad, but that by listening to your body signals, you can learn to know when it is the proper time to alter your chemistry.

Sorry for being so long. =D
 
i sometimes feel i can control my dreams, and i can, only right before and after sleep, mostly whn im waking up coming out of rem sleep and i can manipulate my dreams ,
 
DemonSeed said:
You should become contemplative in your dreams as in reality such as defines by positivism. This famous third eye, the Penetrating Sight, it is partly the oneiric dimension. Well, this is what I think.
Do you become contemplative during your dream? Have you ever practiced proper meditation technique (for example, zazen technique, seiza position, deep rhythmic breathing, clearing the mind) during the dream itself? If you have, what happened?
 
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To me it seems like anyone that can lucid dream is probably already 'enlightened', even if they don't know it, and reaping all the rewards. I can only remember my dreams during periods of great mental clarity, and only remain lucid in them about twice a year.
 
socko said:
Do you become contemplative during your dream? Have you ever practiced proper meditation technique (for example, zazen technique, seiza position, deep rhythmic breathing, clearing the mind) during the dream itself? If you have, what happened?

No, I have not practiced any real meditation in a dream. I tried once, sat down and closed my eyes. It only resulted in a blackout, loss of lucidity. There's no point (I think) in meditating (sitting down, breathing, singing mantra, etc.) in a dream because dreaming and meditating are two different things. Meditation is for when you are conscious, awaken (well, for me). Contemplation and meditation are both related but different, contemplation is a result of meditation. What I meant by being contemplative in your dreams is not to start doing zazen techniques, but to remain calm, put desires aside (such as the one of having sex), to look around and think about what you see, hear and feel. The more I think of it, I come to consider sleeping-dreaming as a particular kind of meditation, as a deep actual state of meditation. Sleeping, dreaming and meditation all share basic similarities: calming, living and recovering. I mean, when I wake up from a good night of sleep or open my eyes after meditating, I feel relax, in a good mood, more receptive (thus potentially contemplative). I would really like to hear from someone who have actually done some real meditation in a dream and how such a experience is.
 
Growfh said:
To me it seems like anyone that can lucid dream is probably already 'enlightened', even if they don't know it, and reaping all the rewards. I can only remember my dreams during periods of great mental clarity, and only remain lucid in them about twice a year.

Well i've experienced it and i'm pretty sure i still have a LOT to learn! Also, one of the first ones i can remember having was when i was about 8.

In the dream i was walking around a supermarket, when these rather large ventrilequest dummies kept jumpin out at me from behind the isles to scare me. now funnily enough this was not as terrifying as you would expect it to be for a 9 yo, because i came to realise that i was actually dreaming. a strange feeling! so rather than endure these dummies jumping out at me and surprising me i decided to wake myself up. but how? after unsuccesfully trying to will myself awake i then had the idea of jumping head first into the floor (good job i WAS dreaming!) whereupon i went through the it and (here's the crazy part) saw myself from above, in bed, with all the details of my room visable fom a top down view. i floated towards myself, by this point terrified, and then woke up with a start.

crazy! it makes me if OBEs are real. could a child really imagine what he and his room would look like from above like that? it looked so real.

Does anyone know what the chemical(s) that makes you 'trip' ie. dream when you are sleep is/are? is it DMT?
 
DemonSeed said:
I would really like to hear from someone who have actually done some real meditation in a dream and how such a experience is.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=23289.msg196563#msg196563

The person in the above astralpulse thread tells of an interesting meditation-like experience she had during a lucid dream. She experiences music and floral imagery.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=15540.msg135531#msg135531

The second thread has a "oneness" theme.

They don't tell us how skilled and experienced they are with their respective meditation techniques, but I get the impression that these were first-time experiences and they didn't go deep into the meditation during the dream.

If one practices and takes the experience deeper, it can become, among other things, a deep trance/meditation experience.
If so, one can take it to the point of being alone, alert, free of distractions, at peace, relaxed, in complete blackness and experience samadhi.
Anyway, just try it. For you, it will be worth it.
 
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I just re-read the 'trip report' and it is really cool that people care about finding themselves and such.

I think that a lot of men would think something like "meeting with yourself" is a load of hogwash, and that they would rather crack some beers and talk sports statistics. Even worse, the women I've met think self-exploration involves squatting over a mirror or something.
 
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Echoversion said:
Well i've experienced it and i'm pretty sure i still have a LOT to learn! Also, one of the first ones i can remember having was when i was about 8. In the dream i was walking around a supermarket, when these rather large ventrilequest dummies kept jumpin out at me from behind the isles to scare me. now funnily enough this was not as terrifying as you would expect it to be for a 9 yo, because i came to realise that i was actually dreaming. a strange feeling! so rather than endure these dummies jumping out at me and surprising me i decided to wake myself up. but how? after unsuccesfully trying to will myself awake i then had the idea of jumping head first into the floor (good job i WAS dreaming!) whereupon i went through the it and (here's the crazy part) saw myself from above, in bed, with all the details of my room visable fom a top down view. i floated towards myself, by this point terrified, and then woke up with a start. Does anyone know what the chemical(s) that makes you 'trip' ie. dream when you are sleep is/are? is it DMT?

It's funny because I heard from many people who said they had lucid dreams when they were kids. I don't know why but it makes me think of DMT experiences, some people states in their reports that when they meet the Elves, they remembered meeting them when they were child. I also had that kind of astral-like dream you just described. That was last winter, this was simply amazing. What is also funny is that I had that kind of lucid dream this night, just right when I started sleeping; I was in my room, in darkness, more or less lucid, started floating softly until the ceiling. I couldn't break through the ceiling. I woke up and had stupid dreams concerning my worries of the day. I can't tell what chemicals are linked to dreaming, but can imagine there a whole lot and maybe much more, brain waves (are brain waves associated to chemicals thought?). We don't know that much about sleeping and dreaming, it's still one of the greatest mystery, like the dark matter.

Thanks Socko for the links. That girl experience is especially interesting. I really need to try meditation in a dream over and over, until I am successful. I am with you on this Growfh, I hate sports statistics and prattling... but we got to respect other people. If they aren't interested into spirituality, let it be it. Squatting over a mirror, like training at a gym? I think physical exercises like this and those goddam mirrors can taught you a lot about yourself. I do train at a gym and it's only lately that in-between my exercises, I became able to look at my ugly-beautiful face, right in the eyes. But if you do that just to be beautiful and hot (nice picture! =D), well you miss out on a lot. Just on a side-note, I suspect benzodiazepines, even after a few days of use, to decreases (lucid) dreaming. That would make sense since benzo are more like substances that decreases awareness. Pot is also know to prevent REM (deep sleep). I haven't been dreaming a lot these last days. That is a bit pissing off :|
 
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