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One4B Toxicity?

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Alfy

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I am a very big fan of GHB but it hasn’t been since last year that I can actually get my hands on the good salty stuff. All I can get these days is the chemically tasting 1,4B, in two forms; concentrate that requires a 3ml dose and diluted which I need about 20mls of…
I have been investigating the difference between the two and some of the anecdotal evidence points towards 1,4B being extremely toxic?
The reason I loved G so much is because it is none toxic and leaves your body as easily as CO2 and H2O… Whereas 1,4B uses the liver to metabolise the chemical into G and appears hard on the kidneys – I know if I have a lot over the weekend my lower back will ache!
We can thank the farcical ‘war on drugs’ for controlling the importation of GBL to make G, which has lead to people using the more toxic substitute…
What does everyone else think the pros and cons are of replacing GHB with 1,4B?
 
I have never used G, or GBL. 1,4-B was always an extremely euphoric, enjoyable experience however. I never felt any ill effects from it, but my g/f always complained of kidney pain the next day. The liver toxicity factor is another con, especially if you have hepatitis or some other liver impairment.
 
The back, kidney and stomache pains....ouch!
Then the simple fact that BDO has a much longer lasting HEAVY feeling high...It makes me feel oily and greasy compared to GHB.
With GHB I get more socialbe and want to talk, dance, go out...whatever.....with the BDO high I usually get stuck to the couch, floor, ceiling....
When trying to abstain after long periods of use the negative rebound effects are MUCH mopre pronounced with BDO...If I didn't have good peeps around to help me I would have checked in to the Psyche ward forsure...
My analogy is this:....I compare Vodka (GHB) to Rubbing Alcohol (BDO)......Think about it..?
BDO is much more readily available and significantly cheaper....but is your mental/physical health worth a few more bucks..?
[ 14 August 2002: Message edited by: badjessejames ]
 
I would pay double what I pay for BDO for GHB but I can’t find any?
Anyone know if you can convert BDO to GHB – without using your liver!?!
Also… How do people think the toxicity of BDO on the liver, compares with that of alcohol consumption?
[ 15 August 2002: Message edited by: Alfy ]
 
I am not aware of any way that bdo can be synthed to ghb. However, if you have a BDO source, I am sure GBL is not too far away.
 
The source I get my BDO swears to me that it is GHB but it solidifies in the fridge so I can only assume it is BDO. What form is GBL usually in? Will it solidify in the fridge? Is it possible what I’m getting is GBL? HOW DO I TELL?
 
If it freezes in your refridgerator then its B. As far as B toxicity, its not that bad. Just don't take 10 doses a day for months on end. ;>
 
I don't believe that GBL would freeze at that high of a temp. But I didn't do your research for you, so don't hold me too it. If it has a bitter oily taste it's BDO.
 
I have found some more anecdotal evidence that BDO is toxic but this is from a person who used it everyday for months - anyone had problem with their urine/kidneys from infrequent use?
 
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