Opioids Once a week opiate = 0 withdrawals?

[blight12]

Please can you confirm my research with the queries below, thanks in advance.

I have used Kratom successfully each Friday and Sat night recreationally for some time now. Never touched any other opiate before. The subtle effects can only be described as beautiful.

I would like to consider a real opiate, like h, for use once a week, to get beyond that Kratom ceiling and experience the nod etc.
H or Thai White is the only stuff avail here, funny enough i have tried to get before but my guy refuses to sell to me, to protect me, what a champ.

So my questions:

1. Does the consistency with my Kratom use possibly indicate I may be able to similarly limit a real opiate in the same way?
2. If not, what exactly makes a real opiate more difficult to control, besides obviously being more potent and enjoyable?
3a. Most importantly, does once a week ensure no physical addiction and no withdrawals?
3b. What is generally considered the required delay between usage to avoid physical dependance?

I recently went a month without Kratom due to cash shortage and the weekend use didnt seem to cause any withdrawals.

Thanks Team.

 

[mrflowers00]

kratom is like a 3 year old in a knife fight with a 25 year old would be heroin

 

[FlippingTop]

No man!

Considering once a week H use? It won't happen my friend.

Once a week use, used each and every week, is an addiction. I can't be precise about the times and spaces but the real question is 'how unlikely is it that I will be able to keep to a single use a week?'
It just is not worth the consideration.

 

[zirbeldude]

If you still get good effects from kratom i suggest not taking strong opiates/opioides.
Because once you have developed a tolerance to strong opiates/opioides it's nearly impossible to go back to weak opioides or kratom.

And h is a different beast.
It is possible to take it once in a while but it requires strong willpower.
Many people go from taking it only on weekends to daily use.
You will not experience physical withdrawal from once a week h use.
But like i said....this "once a week dosing regimen" might change over time.

Be carefull. ;-)

 

[Tommyboy]

So my questions:

1. Does the consistency with my Kratom use possibly indicate I may be able to similarly limit a real opiate in the same way?
2. If not, what exactly makes a real opiate more difficult to control, besides obviously being more potent and enjoyable?
3a. Most importantly, does once a week ensure no physical addiction and no withdrawals?
3b. What is generally considered the required delay between usage to avoid physical dependance?

1. No

2. Being more potent and enjoyable is all it needs to make it harder to control.

3. There are people that get minor withdrawals using once a week. Usually these people have had more serious habits before, and have managed to control their use after a while.

4. I would say once every 10 days, but after taking at least a two week break before starting this pattern. There is some other method on heroin helper but it doesn't work for me. I have used twice a week and experience withdrawals, so for me I have to use less often to avoid withdrawals. Someone who has never been physically dependent on opioids can likely use 1-2x a week and avoid dependence at that rate, but people who have been physically dependent before become dependent easier/faster than others, so need to use less often to avoid having to withdraw.

Edit: It would also depend on the dose. I'm sure you can avoid physical dependence taking a few hydrocodone once a week, but if you are taking 200mg of heroin once a week that's a different story.

 

[Ksa]

It depends the purpose. I have taken 50mg codeine almost daily for...many years and experienced no tolerance/withdrawal, and can feel the dose when I take it every time. Probably, if I took 10x more to piss myself in pleasure, the tolerance/withdrawal would have built even once every 10 days like Tommy said.

I assume that if you inject 5g of concentrated Heroin single shot in a hopital and have a medical team resurect you with naloxone, you would probably experience severe withdrawals for weeks after just that one dose. The dose matters. If you take something that rips your brains out...like shoves a decent piece well..calculations become inaccurate.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

I was addicted to using opiates once a week at a point. It was just mental addiction, and to, of all things, codeine, yet the pull was still there very strongly! I'd recommend against using a strong opiate as who knows how much willpower you'll have after using it a couple times. Any problems with the kratom?

 

[The Dope Man]

I have ben using Iv heroin every Friday and Saturday for about a year. Sunday sometimes to if i want.

 

[bayhead415]

kratom is like a 3 year old in a knife fight with a 25 year old would be heroin

Holy crap I can not believe how much I love this comparison...

Anyways to say the least there is such a safe thing as responsible opiate use although heroin is quite a potent opiate and will probably lead to some W/D after one use if enough is used. I know even 3 days is enough to cause pretty bad symptoms even if used in a small dose.

Also an addiction and dependency is a different thing and I think you are using addiction when you should be asking about dependencies, which is what leads to the negative W/D symptom when your body craves the compound to function and can not get it.

The bottom line is everyone is different and that if you do work with these compound to tread lightly and use them as little as possible and really only if you need it.... Hell if I did not have a back problem I would not be using them and just enjoy my cannabis and psychedelics while if I used opiates recreationally it would either be a small dose of a pharmaceutical grade opiate (to make sure it is not a cut or impure product like street heroin even though it is just as dangerously addictive as heroin, which can be safe if it is pure or pharmaceutical grade) or preferably opium on the tail end of rare psychedelic trips to help me sleep and integrate what the trip brings up. By rare I would say once a month at most if not with 3-6 months in between each use.

If you do think of getting into this habit definitely keep the risks in mind and start low and gauge how your body reacts to it starting very small and gauging how long it takes for all positive & negative effects from it to subside in a controlled situation as that is the only way to figure out how you will react. Once you understand how your body reacts than it would be a better time to make the decision if it is not a big risk to do what you are thinking of. Only you will be able to figure out how your body works as everyone is different and others can only share their experiences and not comment on what is right or wrong for you

Also to add the kratom alkaloids seem to be very gentle opiates, while still holding the huge addiction risk. They seem to be more simulating to people vs sedating like opiates derived from the compounds in poppy plants. The only time I really got a strong effect from kratom to the point of nodding it was more like a bouncy nodd where when my head went down it would bounce back up and I felt full of energy rather than very sleepy. If you do switch to a poppy alkaloid based opiate there are MUCH less potent as safer to use opiates such as codeine, but that opiate still has the same risks of addiction as heroin and should not be underestimated. Honestly if you have a good doctor it should be easy to get a tylonal 3 (codeine+anti inflammatory toxic to the liver in high doses) script that can be covered by insurance if you have it, which not only will keep a steady supply, but also will be monitored by your doctor so that you do not end up increasing your use and developing an unnecessary dependency.

I honestly recommend just not getting into "recreational" opiate use at all as it is not worth it and will make using opiates when you are hurt and need it for real problems very complicated.