Heroin On methadone and still doing dope

[Swimmingdancer]

Now I've heard several things about passports can afelon get a passport? And I probably def. Can't with warrants huh?

Anyone can get a passport, even convicted felons, but that doesn't mean that other countries will let you in. Every country has their own laws about whether someone with a criminal record can enter their country. A passport itself does not give any guarantee of entrance. If you have current outstanding warrants it's probably not a good idea to get a passport though, because it's possible they would contact law enforcement agencies.

 

[untitled1]

So its something I should do alone at home?

Yes, that is the absolute best setting for an introspective, therapeutic LSD trip. Be free of all other people, since you need to guide this trip yourself and learn about yourself.

He has never tripped before. Don't you think it would be best for him to be with a sitter, especially for his first time and facing such a challenging situation?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

He has never tripped before. Don't you think it would be best for him to be with a sitter, especially for his first time and facing such a challenging situation?

^+1. I do not think it is a good idea to take a strong psychedelic for the first time by yourself. The best option would be to find someone to supervise who is familiar with using psychedelics in a "spiritual" mental health and/or addiction-therapy context.

 

[ErgicMergic]

Seriously, I think he should do it alone, unless he is mentally unstable, such as schizophrenic, psychotic, or bipolar, in which case I can't recommend it.

LSD is such a predictable compound with such a gradual comeup that it is never truly overwhelming, it is perhaps the most mild psychedelic I know of. If the OP sticks 1 tab, even if it is very good quality, he will be able to handle the trip on his own. Other people tend to skew the direction of your trip, since there needs to be some social involvement, if only on a non-verbal communication aspect, which tends to distract you from blazing your own trail of mind-exploration when you're in your own world.

The psychedelic effects come on in a slow crescendo, so even if you take a high dose (2-3 tabs of good quality), you will be able to keep up with your transcendence in to your own world, it's not a sudden comeup at all, so the trip can be consciously aborted with 2mg Xanax if needed. LSD tends to not violently strip your ego away from you like with mushrooms, but rather lets you consciously set it aside for 8 hours. Basically, I know how when I look in the mirror that I am ErgicMergic, but I choose to set him aside for 8 hours to explore him from a different perspective. Mushrooms will sometimes leave you wondering who you are, where you are, why you're there, which can be very frightening. To be honest, I'm scared of trying mushrooms, but love LSD, I just don't like the idea of feeling the first alerts of a mushroom trip, then all of a sudden forget that I'm tripping because the effects came on way too suddenly for my brain to keep up.

You need to be willing to explore every little facet of yourself, if something about yourself frightens you and you can't accept it, then I would not recommend psychedelics. One needs a fully open mind, and an ideal mind and mindset (look this up), if these aren't there then you can always trip at another time in your life when you're ready.

 

[untitled1]

One needs a fully open mind, and an ideal mind and mindset (look this up), if these aren't there then you can always trip at another time in your life when you're ready.

Personally I don't think going through opiate withdrawals would be considered an ideal mindset, do you?

Definitely agree with you on the mushrooms - it can be extremely confusing and frightening, much more intense than LSD in my experience.

 

[ErgicMergic]

Opiate withdrawals? No way, methadone withdrawals would be magnified out of proportion with psychedelics. This is with his daily dose of methadone, which should "force" good vibes, and also dull the psychedelic effects down. The extra dope shot would be the thing on standby until he's already tripping, so he would understand why he injects dope while on Methadone.

The 135mg of Methadone should definitely hold him a bit, lol... and the dope would be by his side if he wanted it... waiting on the shot until in to the trip would help him understand why he's doing it and dissect the craving, so he can beat it at the psychological craving source, not at the physical dependence MMT level, which has clearly not worked him so far.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I think that while on LSD is is much easier to not do heroin, at least in my experience (aside from afterwards during the come-down if you're having trouble sleeping or start getting WD symptoms). But I wouldn't want to already be in serious withdrawals before starting the trip. I do find that it does temporarily postpone withdrawal symptoms though, or at least make them more bearable. I think the best suggestion would be like ErgicMergic said, to take the regular daily dose of methadone. But I wouldn't have a shot of heroin waiting by my side. I would try to have it out of sight and out of mind. (Meaning the actual heroin, you would still want to think about your mental addiction and why you use, why you have trouble resisting the cravings, etc. Cravings are normal but we CAN choose whether or not to act on them. I just think having heroin easily accessible makes us more likely to act on the craving without even thinking, and cravings should be greatly diminished during a psychedelic trip anyway).

 

[-Guido-]

So I'm on methadone and still getting high.if I just have my methadone I'm good physically but if I only have dope no methadone I feel like shit. Is it possible to have a double addiction to two different opiates? Also I want to want to get clean my clinic says I should go up on my dose but I'm already at 135mg. I don't know I keep thinking I'm never gonna get clean a long as I'm on methadone, my dopesick safety net. But then I think I can't stay clean without it. Keeping in mind I do have long bouts of clean time on methadone never get past 3mo. Without. But I've been on methadone steady for 5 yrs now.please help!

Opiate addiction is opiate addiction, there is no such thing as double addiction to opiates. You are never going to get clean unless you stop getting high. Basically, stop doing dope on Methadone.

 

[Keif' Richards]

The only answer to this is willpower. Bottom line, you need to make the decision not to use, and let's be honest here, being on methadone takes a lot of the difficulty of abstaining from opiates away...

I'm not trying to preach here, but if you want to get sober, the 12 steps are the way to go. There are other ways sure, but the 12 steps have a great track record of helping addicts get clean and stay clean. More importantly working the steps can actually make you content in sobriety. I know it sounds insane right now thinking of being content without dope, but it's possible. Go to meetings, get friends, get a sponsor, work the steps. Sobriety is not just gonna land in your lap though, you're gonna need to summon some willpower.

I sincerely apologize if this sounds preachy, but I was hopelessly addicted to opiates (primarily heroin) from 15-21 and NA/AA is the only thing that even REMOTELY made me consider quitting for good. I'm back in college now, and I'm the happiest I've been since I was a little kid. It's changed my life drastically in a positive way, I just hope you can experience the same, and one day be content in your sobriety.

P.S. A few months ago I would've read this and called the guy writing it a know-it-all douchebag

 

[pbuilder]

What is the point of this thread. Yes you are addicted to the way both opiates hit different part of the receptors and yes you are abusing the methadone program and yes you should get kicked out for using dope while on the maintenance program.

 

[L0dgik]

I can only speak for my own personal experience with using heroin with my methadone. It might seem like ur addicted to both and look u prob are
methadone and heroin are very strong but if u were to cut down ur heroin use up ur methadone a bit it would be easy enough to stop the heroin use,
a few days u might feel a bit crappy but nothing u cant handle id say. Either way if ur gonna keep usin drop the mdone if u wanna stop drop the H and
stick to ur mdone treatment.

 

[livetheopiatedream]

Maybe it's cuz 100+ Mgs is a FUCKton of methadone and dope isn't strong enough or u aren't doing enuf for how strong it is to cover the lack of methadone, but when u do it on top of Ur methadone u still get nice. Tolerance is a bitch

 

[noculi]

You have to understand how methadone works, and why it blocks other opiates. Methadone is different from Oxy or Hydro cod one or heroin because of how long it lasts in your system. You have receptors and when you take opiates, you flood these receptors. Once they are filled, you cannot get high again until they are empty. This is why if 50 mgs of hydrocodone gets you high, and you take 30 mgs, then 20 mgs 30 minutes later, you don't feel the same high. Because the first 30 filled your receptors. The last 20 can't really get in.

But in 8 hours (give or take) your receptors are clear again.

Methadone has a half life of 30 hours. Meaning, you get rid of HALF of methadone in 30 hours, this is why its called a maintenance dose. You body maintains a high amount of opiates thereby clogging up your receptors.
Lets say you take your first dose of Methadone on Monday, 30mgs. By tuesday same time, you still have about 15 in you. You take your second dose, and now you have about 45mgs in you. Then on Wednesday you take another 30, but you still have 15 in you from tuesday, about 5 from monday, and the 30 you just took, or now 50mgs, even though your dose is only 30.
Ive had 40mgs of methadone and took 8 percocet 5s and felt absolutely 1/4 of what a good starbucks would do for me. The higher your methadone does, the more impossible it is to get high off anything else. Its not until you get down to 15mgs or so that you could feel SOMETHING if you took 60mgs of oxycodone.

Methadone still gets you a little high in the morning when you take it, about an hour or so later. but too much and your nodding off any chance you get to sit down.
To quit methadone, simply take off 10 mgs every 2 or 3 weeks till you hit 60mgs, then go down 5mgs at a time till you hit 20, then you do 17, 15, 12, 10, 8, 5, 3, 2, 1 And you done. All told, going from 100 to quit should take one full year. you won't feel a thing.