OMfg, I never thought I'd lose the magic that quickly.

[warmachine22]

The last doubt in my mind that MDMA loss of magic wasn't caused by "loss of novelty" (humans become less impressed with things over time and they become less "novel" -- which is why being a child can be described as magical for some people and some report shrooms or LSD as making them feel "like a kid again") when I did mephedrone. That was just as good as my first roll and pretty much the same experience. I'm sure that MDMA's loss of magic is just down regulation of some neurotransmitter. "Time heals" is a true statement and the longer you go without miss molly, the better your roll is going to be.

Piracetam r0x, btw. Best suggestion ever I'm also looking into sulbutiamine as something as well. It potentiates dopaminergic effects (among other things) which would make MDMA more neurotoxic, possibly, but might increase the "magic" of the roll. This is all hypothetical, though, and not harm reductive =P

Also I have been looking into Centrophenoxine to repair some damage as well and maybe take that for a while stop for a couple of weeks before I roll...preload with 5-HTP every half hour on the hour from around 4 till 7. So a total of maybe 400mg, and then let it metablise for an hour or so...then drop. Oh ya forgot use an attack dose of Piracetam during the preloading of the 5-HTP. Theoretically this should work. And it is safe. Also making sure to take ALA(Alpha Lipoic ACid bfore during and after to prevent neurotoxicity). Drinking grapefruit juice or orange juice before helps to.

 

[warmachine22]

I have something else to add...the magic comes from the euphria we get when we roll..true or not? If so then the magic doesn't just come from the neurotransmitter seratonin...it also comes from the dopamine. I did some research on what part of the brain controls what, and dopamine has alot to do with the empathy and euphoria along with the combination of the seratonin. They haven't done enough research on the dopamine receptors and the neurotransmitter involving dopamine. It has always been focused on the seratonin aspect of what MDMA does.

 

[shiv]

its been said but well done for making the decision, fuck that sounds so condescending, i dont mean it to, i mean its an intelligent thing to do and you must be very strong minded. now im just licking your arse shit i dunno im rushing a bit.

as for the question of when you should roll again - when things have sorted out again, when your heads in the right place dont set a date (like i did) or you'll just celebrate your success by rolling and whos to say its too soon


sorry about how rambling this post is but i hope it helps.

 

[pnut3844]

I think you'll find most everyone here will disagree with you.

ok so you are saying that people arent taking x bc of the way it makes them feel? what so they take it out of boredom? no they take it bc of the effects it has, the mass release of seratonin right? well that release gets you fucked up. like i said, you can sugar coat it all you want and say it makes u empathetic and more open, which it does, BECAUSE IT FUCKS YOU UP. simple as that man. yes, fucked up = more empathetic etc etc but it boils down to this people take it bc they want to get fucked up. the side effects are just the way it fucks you up. dont try and pretty it up or say "oh it opens your mind" well it might but it does that bc it fucks you up. you cant argue with it. well you can but you're wrong

 

[socalthizzn]

If loss of magic is only caused by loss of novelty, then why is MDMA the only drug which has people complaining about a loss of magic...

Why don't heroin addicts ever lose the magic with heroin? (providing they get rid of their tolerance)
Why can you find LSD still as enlightening as ever, even after years of use?

Meth has magic loss involved w/ it as well as mdma and cocaine in my experences w/ abusing them. Mite be stim thing. Dopamine thing? Not knowledgable about heroins effects personally, does it release large amounts of dopamine?

 

[socalthizzn]

Its not all about the serstonin w/ mdma, dopamine plays a huge roll in the magic imo. As far as i kno seratonin once usedin the brain it must be reproduced and replenshed thru a natural process inside the brain, i think dopamine is recycled in the brain but the damage to the dopamine receptors & transmitters is what cause's most magic loss. Although there is dopamine inside your brain it may not be makin it where it needs to go due to lack or transmitters/receptors.

 

[warmachine22]

I have already spoke about the Dopamine. There are some alternatives to getting the magic back full swing. I heard a person can preload a precursur to dopamine which I am not sure what they are, but they are available and out there. This would mean preloading on a dopamine precursor which there is a fine line because it increases the neurotoxicity. But the benefit would be to get the magic back to where it was. Again the neurotoxicity would be like when you first rolled because you have enough dopamine to increase the toxicity, but also increase the magic. This means take antioxidants like ALA(Alpha Lipoic Acid), ALC(Acetyl L Carnitine), Ester C, as a vitamin C source, and maybe even some cinnimon oil which has the highest ORAC value out of any atioxidant. Be safe because everyone has abused there freedom and it has cost them yhe wonder of MDMA to some extent.

 

[VincentOnE]

how 2 properly dose piracetam?

 

[trancerage]

weird you lose the magic taking breaks of a month or month and a half...

 

[HighwayChile93]

how 2 properly dose piracetam?

I take about 2.5g piracetam morning and night for 3-4 days before my roll (along with 1200mg lecithin as a choline supplement). The day of, I also take 2.5g in the morning and 2.5g about an hour or so before my roll. I've found piracetam to be pretty amazing stuff. I definitely won't roll without it anymore. I would definitely look into it if you feel like you've lost the magic. I haven't "lost it", but I gave piracetam to my friends who were convinced they had and they swear by it now. Give it a shot.