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Wow.
I have never read the bible before, but made a commitment to plow through the Old and New Testament, the Torah and the Quran as a loose New years resolution, and well.
My favorite part was Ecclesiastes, which is really existential and angsty. Very nice

The rest of was mostly senseless slaughter by an omnipotent, vile motherfucker in charge.
God is a sinister fucking brute. He comes off as an insecure teenager, someone off their anti-psychotics lashing out at whoever is near him; a bully with rage-issues who mauls down kids with bears, murders infants, sets people up against each other, test their loyalty towards him by demanding actions that breaks his own creed. God's like a kid catching locusts, teraing their legs of and watches as ants feed on them.
Tony Soprano on PCP with an evil intention; demands his garderners in his garden Earth to behave a specific way, while contradicting i tconstantly, often without reason.
How can one oversee that God is like a callous, paranoid tweaker who's been up for too long?

Anyone?
 
God is everything. All good and evil which are really just mental constructs and have no basis in the true being of god. It all comes from the infinite god which is actually a true reality. So by the irony of it god really did do all those things like mauling kids with bears etc but a better way to think of it is this is simply nature and life. Bears will eat people if they are hungry. People are murderous especially back then as they did not know their true nature.

The old testament is alot more mythical while as you progress through each book you see the developments and also alot of the same material.

The Abrahamic books are not really a good picture on what god is since these people never had the experince of god. The quran is better but still lacking. but it is proclaiming god is one which is the most important understanding.

Idk if you ever read the bhagvad gita and the upnahsihads but they are truly the best look into god which is acutally yourself.
 
The God of the Bible is yahweh, and he has all the traits you describe. Christians just call him God, as if he's the one and only, but in many different kinds of traditions around the world that either touch on Christianity or have had unfortunate contact with it, yahweh is seen as one God in an array of many. He has qualities, good and bad. He is part of duality.

I attended a Catholic funeral today and noticed that Christianity really conflates God (the Source) with God (yahweh). Parts of the ceremony refer to a God that is all knowing and all loving, welcoming to all beings, forgiving, etc. In the same breath they talk about a God who demands X Y and Z.

I would not make the mistake of conflating this God with the God of source that everything emanates from. Even the Greeks and Romans, for all their pantheons, still believed in a one supreme being in the background, but nobody ever talked about it because it was inaccessible with language and forms.

Just like how in Hinduism, you have the multitude forms of God (which humans are all part of) and you have Brahman which is the cosmic, source principle, or Om. The Christian God is just one of the many forms, just like any other Hindu deity is. That's why he can be capricious, vindictive, jealous, even hateful.
 
Actually the Old Testament/Tanakh doesn't say anything contradictory about God. And I do mean contradictory based on the text and not on how one might feel about it. God doesn't explicitly say anything about not killing the wicked/enemies

Nowadays it's only considered wrong to use capital punishment and offer up sacrifices because there has to be a temple, which I suppose would be called the third Temple in Jerusalem. Mashiach is supposed to arrive and restore it and bring peace. All nations will know her name, Israel
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
God is everything. All good and evil which are really just mental constructs and have no basis in the true being of god. It all comes from the infinite god which is actually a true reality. So by the irony of it god really did do all those things like mauling kids with bears etc but a better way to think of it is this is simply nature and life. Bears will eat people if they are hungry. People are murderous especially back then as they did not know their true nature.

The old testament is alot more mythical while as you progress through each book you see the developments and also alot of the same material.

The Abrahamic books are not really a good picture on what god is since these people never had the experince of god. The quran is better but still lacking. but it is proclaiming god is one which is the most important understanding.

Idk if you ever read the bhagvad gita and the upnahsihads but they are truly the best look into god which is acutally yourself.
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Sorry man, totally missed my own thread! And thanks for mentioning Bhagvad Gita and the other - will definately.

I used call my self and atheist, but I was young and thought I knew everything - the fact is that there is very little I know with absolute certainty.

God as you speak of it, do you mean as some omnipotence force, or something more abstract?

I kind of disagree with what you said about humans true nature - I don't believe we're all exercise violence due to various reasons, but I do believe humans are a very violent species.

According to this article, over the course of the last 3,400 years, we've had 268 years of peace, spread out over these centuries.

And that is only 3,400 years back - what do you make of it?

Thanks again, it's really interesting hearing these thoughts - I know ONE Christian dude, haha. This is a godless country..
 
Foreigner said:
The God of the Bible is yahweh, and he has all the traits you describe. Christians just call him God, as if he's the one and only, but in many different kinds of traditions around the world that either touch on Christianity or have had unfortunate contact with it, yahweh is seen as one God in an array of many. He has qualities, good and bad. He is part of duality.

I attended a Catholic funeral today and noticed that Christianity really conflates God (the Source) with God (yahweh). Parts of the ceremony refer to a God that is all knowing and all loving, welcoming to all beings, forgiving, etc. In the same breath they talk about a God who demands X Y and Z.

I would not make the mistake of conflating this God with the God of source that everything emanates from. Even the Greeks and Romans, for all their pantheons, still believed in a one supreme being in the background, but nobody ever talked about it because it was inaccessible with language and forms.

Just like how in Hinduism, you have the multitude forms of God (which humans are all part of) and you have Brahman which is the cosmic, source principle, or Om. The Christian God is just one of the many forms, just like any other Hindu deity is. That's why he can be capricious, vindictive, jealous, even hateful.
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Thanks for clearing that up man. I might not have any firm believes, but I do find it intruiging, all of it.

I think I just have a problem with the word 'God'. I associate it with shaming, guilt, prejudice and so forth.

I do believe there might be some force at play here, but I'm having a hard time thinking it gives a fuck about us or morals.

I'm gonna read up on Brahman and the cosmic source principle, thanks again.

I do agree alot with non-theistic satanism (not that Crowley or LaVeyan theatrics) because it more accurately reflects the way nature operates, but I'm very careful with putting a label on what I believe.

And I don't like the idea of the seven deadly sins and all that - yet again I agree more with non-theistic satanism that propagates never harming children or animal, always being respectful and not judging others on their believes - but they still hold that kindness should not be wasted on ingrates and if a man slaps your face, you shouldn't turn the other cheek - you should smash his.
Yet again, non-instigating, but not taking shit.

thanks for the knowledge man!

Gormur said:
Actually the Old Testament/Tanakh doesn't say anything contradictory about God. And I do mean contradictory based on the text and not on how one might feel about it. God doesn't explicitly say anything about not killing the wicked/enemies

Nowadays it's only considered wrong to use capital punishment and offer up sacrifices because there has to be a temple, which I suppose would be called the third Temple in Jerusalem. Mashiach is supposed to arrive and restore it and bring peace. All nations will know her name, Israel
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But who are the wicked? According to that reasoning, I should be stoned to death.
I mean, he does say in Leviticus to Moses that they shall stone a blasphemer, while in the very next sentence says; "If anyone takes the life of a human being, he must be put to death-".
I do realize most people don't take it word for word, but it's interesting nonetheless.

It is also written; "..whatever he has done must be done to him; fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth", which I agree with.
Someone smacks you, you smack right back. But you don't go around starting shit like that.

You mean Mashiach will arrive and the enemies/sinners shall be punished? I gotta look up that aswell, Mashiach, thanks for sharing.

If I may ask, are you pro capital-punishment?

I feel that I'm waaaaay out of my comfortzone here, haha. I haven't studied this nearly as much as I should in order to form "valid" opinions, forgive my ignorance.
That's why I'm asking. I want to understand, so thank you for sharing.
 
God is the infinite eternal reality it is everything and everyone it has no limits its life consciouness pure energy and it is is also pure love it birthed out universe out of loneliness and to share its love wth itself our deepest nature is one with god we are already enlightened when we die we return to the sea of love and come back to play the game of life. God is one god is infinite we are all god. God is creative god is destructive god is fearless God is consciouness God is eternal unborn undying seek refuge in your inner light the whole world awaits within to greet you home with ultimate love
 
Mashiach is the Hebrew for Messiah. I probably should've mentioned that. Regarding Exodus, it's talking about courts and restitution. Also if somebody murdered it'd have to be done in front of two witnesses for them to be brought to trial. I don't condone any human killing. I was just saying that the Old Testament is consistent; in a historical context
 
I agree there's a lot of senseless brutality in the Old Testament. But I do like Ecclesiastes, Job, Ester, and the Psalms + Proverbs, among others. There is good writing and good things to learn in there though so I'd never throw away the whole thing.

Imo, the major prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel are the worst stories as a lot of it is just centered on how God wants to get revenge on Israel for worshipping other Idols.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
God is everything. All good and evil which are really just mental constructs and have no basis in the true being of god. It all comes from the infinite god which is actually a true reality. So by the irony of it god really did do all those things like mauling kids with bears etc but a better way to think of it is this is simply nature and life. Bears will eat people if they are hungry. People are murderous especially back then as they did not know their true nature.

The old testament is alot more mythical while as you progress through each book you see the developments and also alot of the same material.

The Abrahamic books are not really a good picture on what god is since these people never had the experince of god. The quran is better but still lacking. but it is proclaiming god is one which is the most important understanding.

Idk if you ever read the bhagvad gita and the upnahsihads but they are truly the best look into god which is acutally yourself.
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I haven't yet read the Upanishads, but the bhagavad gita is very good
 
deficiT said:
I agree there's a lot of senseless brutality in the Old Testament. But I do like Ecclesiastes, Job, Ester, and the Psalms + Proverbs, among others. There is good writing and good things to learn in there though so I'd never throw away the whole thing.

Imo, the major prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel are the worst stories as a lot of it is just centered on how God wants to get revenge on Israel for worshipping other Idols.
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I actually find Ecclesiastes to be fucking excellent. Proverbs has some gems aswell.
Overall, I gotta say, despite certain chapters like you mentioned, there IS actually alot of things that ring true, something I never-fucking-ever thought I'd say out loud.
 
deficiT said:
I agree there's a lot of senseless brutality in the Old Testament. But I do like Ecclesiastes, Job, Ester, and the Psalms + Proverbs, among others. There is good writing and good things to learn in there though so I'd never throw away the whole thing.

Imo, the major prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel are the worst stories as a lot of it is just centered on how God wants to get revenge on Israel for worshipping other Idols.
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Job is great. God let's Satan murder jobs wife and children for no reason other than to stick it to Satan and prove he's right about how much job loves him.

It's fucked. And awesome. :D

God is evil, he's a petty narcissistic bastard. It says so in the Bible.
 
am not into this at all but what I like it's that the old testament describes angels different than any other religious book. For e.g I remember reading that an angel had a log as a head and a floating bubble of water, no eyes although. So if we're lookin, angels are more evilish than demons.
 
I don't know how known it is, and I can not confirm it cause I don't even speak Latin, but according to sources that I have obtained this information the following is true.

Language in which Old Testament was written does does not even have words like "god", "crator" or "eternity". It's a peculiar that Christianity is basing it's own theology on more or less unrelated books that were written in a language that doesn't even have a concept or term "God". I guess that New Testament wasn't enough so to build a new system of control "they" had to use "Old Testament" also. It all smells off politics and power games that accompany it.

Here is the guy who actually worked as a translator for the Catholic Church. Than at the one point he broke off. I am not saying that he is right in his other interpretations but I believe that he can be a valuable source to put the whole Yahwe/God/Elohim confusion in a context.

Here is a link of his lecture. It is enough to watch first 10 - 15 minutes or so and then, if one wants can go deeper. Whatever deeper for the individual means.

Link:

Mauro Biglino - Very new Old Testament

It's not the best video of his lectures but will suffice for what I want to put on the table.
 
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not Latin Phycho_Logic. It was written in Hebrew, translated to Aramaic, then to Latin, finally to English. Itr was written when the nation of Israel consisted of shepherds. There are so many meanings that have subtly changed through multiple translations that it's not funny. And yet some people still insist it must be taken literally. :unsure:

I have read the Torah in Hebrew and it is quite interestingly different than the King James Bible version. I needed to learn Hebrew for my studies of the Tarot and other material and learned Latin and Greek in high school.

The Bible was written by humans, in a time, language and cultural framework that is starkly different than our own in the present. That should always be kept in mind when discussing it.
 
Cheshire_Kat said:
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew, not Latin Phycho_Logic.
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Yeah I know it was translated into Latin, that was my point. :)
Psycho_Logic said:
I don't know how known it is, and I can not confirm it cause I don't even speak Latin
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I wanted to state that I am not an expert in the subject matter as I don't even speak Latin let alone Hebrew. :) Besides in Latin there is concept/term/word for god (Deus), eternity (infinito/tas) and creator (creator/genitor) and as I wtote
Psycho_Logic said:
Language in which Old Testament was written does does not even have words like "god", "crator" or "eternity".
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I am not an expert in the subject matter and I wanted to make it clear that I listened to other sources and that it than made sense.

You just misunderstood my post. Or maybe even my English is not worthy of writing even. 🤣
 
There are many words in Hebrew for God.

Just one example: the letters Yod Hey Val Hey is the origin of the Christian name Yahweh or Jehovah (variations occur because there are no vowels in Hebrew so the modern reader guesses). The actual rough translation is
"I am who am".

Many significant names in the Bible are meaningful in interesting ways. For example the name Adam translates to English as Mud or Clay ; referring to the fact that in the Hebrew tradition, man was created from the earth. Did the original author intend that literally or was it meant conceptually ? We really don't know.
 
Thank you for the explanation. "I am who am" is closest description of God/Ultimate Reality/Ground of Being/Universe (choose what you like) that resonates with me.

I am limited and part can not comprehend the whole, so if I want to know "who is God?" that is the answer. The fact that my limited mind can not pin it down is really a plus when it comes of naming The Reality.

It is what it is and I am who I am. Perfect.

Sorry for going a bit off topic. Thank you for your post.
 
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