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Old days to new, what is the differences with meth, crystal meth

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Brad Burns

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Hello,

Yes, I have spent considerable time searching this site. I have picked up bits and pieces to my title question but I find nothing simply explained due the exact question asked, (or not found), different names of meth, to discussions going off track or completely sideways.
Don't get me wrong. I use this site, it has answered many questions, learned much, and enjoyed so. And, I have learned a great deal of information relating to my search. Just not finding exactly what I'm looking for.

Here goes:
Back in lets say the 70's, we had meth made with/from 2p2 prop. Been around the entire process, beginning with forming crystals to being finished meth gassing out, to end, seeing the sad stuff some had become on the street.
My question is: what is the general difference between what I have described, and crystal meth. It's been many years since I've used meth, at it was certainly long before 'crystal' was a common name. Went on onehellave bender, and had my fill for a couple few decades. Into other recreations now, all in reasonable moderation of course. Just like the 'crystal' I came across, and it's probably obvious I put a small amount up my beak.
A Simple explanation is fine. Details are of course welcome regardless how involved they may be.

Thank you.
 
What do you mean by 2p2?

Though I don't think meth has changed at all over the last 30 years. Crystal meth is the same stuff it was back then, though I suspect the street gear is gonna be less pure than the stuff you cooked up yourself.
 
Going from P2P will give you racemic methamphetamine; dextro and levo stereoisomers whereas going from pseudoephedrine gives you just dextro-methamphetamine. Dextro is the more active isomer, levo mainly seems to have peripheral stimulant effects and in fact is available in a nasal spray in America I believe, since it has no abuse potential.
 
After seeing how they make meth, I wouldnt recommend it to my enemy. If people know the ingredients & still do meth, I recommend psychiatric help.............
 
Mr Blonde said:
Going from P2P will give you racemic methamphetamine; dextro and levo stereoisomers whereas going from pseudoephedrine gives you just dextro-methamphetamine. Dextro is the more active isomer, levo mainly seems to have peripheral stimulant effects and in fact is available in a nasal spray in America I believe, since it has no abuse potential.
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This is spot on.

The synthesis method (something we don't go into too much detail about here for obvious reasons) will produce different variations of dextromethamphetamine and levomethamphetamine. Dextromethamphetamine is the recreational one.

Of course there is the question of purity, which cannot be answered and changes not just from year to year, but from day to day and from dealer to dealer.
 
lot of other drugs are made just as nasty as making meth people..all drugs are very neurotoxic to brain, except, natural opiates. (Morphine, Codeine Heroin) they are very binine. They do nt harm any part of ur body short term, or long term, the only danger is Overdose, or if ur taking drugs by needle r sniffing it which of course has health risks, in general opiates r the safest drug u can take for ur body without out any dangers to health, unless like i said overdosing or sticking needles in ur arm as that carries a health risk, same with snorting

ah yes the other danger is physical dependency!
 
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^ While I see what you are trying to say, stating that "all drugs are very neurotoxic to the brain, except natural opiates" is just false. What about synthetic opioids and the many other drugs that are not at all neurotoxic?

I agree that opioids don't inherently cause much physical harm other than the risks associated with IVing and overdose but they are certainly not the only non-neurotoxic drug. Methamphetamine, on the other hand, is known to be neurotoxic.
 
effie said:
^ While I see what you are trying to say, stating that "all drugs are very neurotoxic to the brain, except natural opiates" is just false. What about synthetic opioids and the many other drugs that are not at all neurotoxic?

I agree that opioids don't inherently cause much physical harm other than the risks associated with IVing and overdose but they are certainly not the only non-neurotoxic drug. Methamphetamine, on the other hand, is known to be neurotoxic.
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agreed...not all drugs besides those are neurotoxic....street methampetamine and mdma are probably the most neurotoxic...and there are many others that aren't
 
opiatekrzy said:
lot of other drugs are made just as nasty as making meth people..all drugs are very neurotoxic to brain, except, natural opiates. (Morphine, Codeine Heroin) they are very binine. They do nt harm any part of ur body short term, or long term, the only danger is Overdose, or if ur taking drugs by needle r sniffing it which of course has health risks, in general opiates r the safest drug u can take for ur body without out any dangers to health, unless like i said overdosing or sticking needles in ur arm as that carries a health risk, same with snorting

ah yes the other danger is physical dependency!
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After seeing a video of how meth was being made: lithium from a battery, butane fluid, liquid drano........um, all these 3 ingredients you will never find in an opiate pill, powder, etc.........

Yes opiates have their down side with addiction, etc but as far a toxic, meth is insanely stupid to snort IMO of course after seeing some of the ingredients used. Now I know why people get meth mouth..............
 
TheLostBoys said:
After seeing a video of how meth was being made: lithium from a battery, butane fluid, liquid drano........um, all these 3 ingredients you will never find in an opiate pill, powder, etc.........

Yes opiates have their down side with addiction, etc but as far a toxic, meth is insanely stupid to snort IMO of course after seeing some of the ingredients used. Now I know why people get meth mouth..............
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All of those are simply ingredients, most are only temporarily used and then removed. This is no different then how the drugs are made in a lab, just a better process.
Not at all why people get meth mouth either. 3000 Posts, cmon now....
 
whippa craka said:
All of those are simply ingredients, most are only temporarily used and then removed. This is no different then how the drugs are made in a lab, just a better process.
Not at all why people get meth mouth either. 3000 Posts, cmon now....
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If your food were grilled or fried in liquid drano & butane was also mixed in there, would you eat it? I rest my case, now go smoke some more meth.........seems its done a job on your brain already.



Meth Ingredients and Method

Lithium, muriatic and sulfuric acids, ether, red phosphorus and lye - key ingredients in Meth manufacturing - are all corrosive and will cause skin burns even when used properly. When a person smokes Meth, these substances are heated, vaporized and swirl throughout the user's mouth. They irritate and burn the sensitive skin inside the mouth, create sores and lead to infection. Chronic Meth smokers have teeth rotted to the gum line from the continuous affect of the vapors on tooth enamel.

Link: http://www.mappsd.org/Meth Mouth.htm
 
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This is surely from poorly treated meth. I just want to make it clear that just because these poisons are used in the synthesis of meth, does not mean it ends up in the final product. Assuming all simple procedure is followed you should have no issues making clean meth. (not pure, just not toxic).
 
LOGan1314 said:
agreed...not all drugs besides those are neurotoxic....street methampetamine and mdma are probably the most neurotoxic...and there are many others that aren't
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Please reference where you get the information that MDMA is nuerotoxic, please don't quote that appalling squirrel monkey BS
 
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