okay, time to admit it. I'm scared I have screwed my brain

[Dyno_oz]

Yeah whatever, nice downs sydrome by the way, don't bump ur head climbing back into the spastic bus now

Is this the person you really are? Insulting people that show you a different point of view?

If so, I don't want to know you....

 

[streetsurfer]

I regret saying that, have edited it, I apologise not so much to u but to the general insensitivity of the remark

 

[streetsurfer]

I don't mind people telling me giving me their opinions in fact I desperately want them but allow me to summerise your posts (I noticed u edited every one by the way)

If you can't stick to the prescribed doses - I suggest you stop taking Dex. Period. You will end up doing yourself more harm than good otherwise.

It is harm minimisation, it is stratagies, it is what ADHD is all about, PARTLY.
Dexamphetamines make me more socially engaged, they hugely massively improve my ability to plan and follow through.

Saying you NEED stimulants to do stuff is a cop out. If you teach yourself to focus on menial things that need to be done you WILL find a way. It's a matter of getting into the habit of self-dicipline. If anything, people with adult ADD can focus on things better than most people when they 'give it their best shot' and learn to recognise when they're distracted

I am very disaplined, I am DRIVEN, but my thoughts are just so chaotic, I can't think in a linear fashion. I also suffer from depression which makes sticking to a rutine very difficult yet I still manage to run my life better than alot of people in some areas but I can not achive my goals. I have started and failed to finish a 5 months certificate 3 course 5 times now

There are other ways to do menial stuff without drugs. Like if you are a visual person - write a few post it notes to remind you of the task at hand. Write lists - they help also.

I had a wall full of notes with my goals and disires, mindmaps, routines etc that I was only able to compile while on stimulants. Without them, I just looked through them and blundered on

Don't eat sugary food - it easier to get distracted when sugar-hyped.

The ADHD sugar connection has been proved to be total myth

The other thing is, poor concentration can be a symptom of DEPRESSION, when combined with the other symptoms you describe. Be HONEST with yourself and your doctor....

I have said several times in this thread I suffer from a mood disorder, a very severe one. it is that more than the ADHD that is the focus of this thread, maybe ur adhd wont let u focus hey?


I was playing guitar in the hostel where I live and I ended up entertaining about a dozen kids. There was this one boy who just couldn't focus on what all the other kids were loving (me playing stupid songs about them) He was focusing for a bit then he would throw stuff at me, several times, and then he would be just zoning out into space, lost. It is a real illness and it is debilitating

There is stacks more info out there on the net - it is up to you to make the effort to make this handicap into a gift, and believe me it IS a gift... it just won't happen if you keep relying on other things (like drugs).

I realise that that is why I posted this to show u I am educated about adhd




Yeas, i too belive it is a gift but one that has also caused me alot of pain

Something to consider also is that 70% of the time, ADHD is comorbid with bipolar 2 (I can't find where I got that figure right now sorry)
It is all well and good putting stratagies and processes into place but when you have a manic or a big depressive episode, it throws all those things to shit. After your well again it can take ages to reimpliment them, if at all

http://winningwithadd.com/

Have you read "the edison Trait" ?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089...650216?ie=UTF8

You may like to look at the reserch at Amen Clincs also whyich shows spect scans of ADHD people.

Unless you have long-term psychotic episodes treated with old-school antipsychotics, Tardive Dyskensia is a non-issue.

So your saying I'm lying? A quarter of a prozac had me doing all the stuff mentioned above

Having restless legs every now and then is no big deal. Lots of people have it and causes them no pain.

Trivialising my symptoms is a shit act when I have said how much I have suffered from them

Maybe you need to go around in circles a few more times to realise that you are making your life worse by what you are doing, I don't know.

That is a paternalistic OPINION and so far, I have seen nothing you have posted that makes me belive I should listen to you

Even if you DO have tongue thrusting, lip smacking mannerisms etc, so what?

I know someone who does stuff like that. Most decent, respectful people would see it and think nothing of it.

Yes but unfortunetly the world is not populated by decent people, let alone educated people, let alone people who have a deap knolage of Psychiatric problems and would not be freaked out by what presents as very bizzare behaviour. It is disfiguring, it hurts, I curl up in a ball on the floor from it and regardless, I regard it as a problem and it is certainly worthy of being a problem. Its not like I have a neurosis cos my cock is too small

I have been really patient with u dude, I gave u many reasons that I didn't agres with your opinions and you just kept pushing them at me. I am well aware of the nasty shit SSRI's do, I have been on one or another all my adult life practically.

Moclobemide (aurorix) (made me feel detached),
citalopram,(Cipramil)(worked at first then took me years to get off it, akathesia and total emotional numbing by the end)
escitalopram(Lexapro)(anxious,confused weird feeling)
zoloft(Sertraline),(zombie)
Paroxetine(helped but caused anxity attacks),
effexor(awesome while it lasted, nightmare to get off, worst discontinuation symptoms I have ever experienced, frightfull. A single dose of prozac can treat it though due to its long half life.),
inipramine(dirt dirty drug, anxiety, cloudy thinking yuk),
Atomoxetine (made me want to kill myself, total dysphoric reaction)
Mirtazapine (Avanza) Half dose knocked me out for 15 hours!
St johns wart (made anxiety and depression worse)
Prozac (great, unbeleavabley effective but took me a full month to work up to a full minium dose because of SEVERE TARDIVE DYSKENESA! Even while taking propranolol to counter it. Buy the time I reached a full dose the side effects outweighed the good effects and it made me agro.

Did I mention severe constipation, anxiety, insomnia, inability to orgasium or get an errection, yeah
So yeah, I know about SSRI's. I am also a registered Nurse and I have a passionete interest in neuroscience and neuropharmacology.

Nuff Said, Bye

 

[hussness]

This kind of classic interaction is why I got out of psychology.

 

[BilZ0r]

SSRI's are great? WTF

And that "low dosage" to avoid side-effects doesn't exist...

it seems you just started taking them more than anything, come again when you see how much they fucked with your life...

posts like this are unresponsible to say the least...I mean COME ON...gezzz

Some weird shit going on in this thread.

I said, I like SSRIs are great, as in, they are great for me.
The statistics available indicated that as SSRI prescriptions go up, suicides go down, so they must have some bonuses.

Side effects are dose dependent, I can't be bothered going through hundreds of clinical trials for find this, but there are 3 or 4 mentions of it in this publically available review
http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=16620364

The only non-dose dependent report I know of is the effect of venlafaxine on BP [1].

How about you cite some study that shows that SSRI-induced side-effects are not dose-dependent.

 

[Synapse999]

I don't think in any of these years, of daily dex use.....regardless of how high or low a dose...or sober...
Could i even attempt to start to read that mass of copy and pasted posts of symptoms..and whatever.. is going on.

This is a case, where the point needs to come across in very few words.
To show reality, to an amphetamine induced-psychosis. The mind zoned out the world in its entirety. and only that one obsession to present and compare/retrieve data exsisted. In the end...it was pointless. but the mind was satisified.

There isn't any real arguement here, only a task the user looped themself into needing to pursue. :D

 

[yellodolphin]

streetsurfer, have u had any traumatic experiences in the past??

 

[streetsurfer]

Yeah this thread

don't think in any of these years, of daily dex use.....regardless of how high or low a dose...or sober...
Could i even attempt to start to read that mass of copy and pasted posts of symptoms..and whatever.. is going on.

This is a case, where the point needs to come across in very few words.
To show reality, to an amphetamine induced-psychosis. The mind zoned out the world in its entirety. and only that one obsession to present and compare/retrieve data exsisted. In the end...it was pointless. but the mind was satisified.

There isn't any real arguement here, only a task the user looped themself into needing to pursue.

Maybe, probably true but I would have said mania. In any case thanx for the smiley face at the end of ur post dude, I am glad u find my suffering amusing

 

[synchrojet]

I don't think you are schizophrenic. Granted, that is a bold assertion given the very limited amount of data I have, but I am schizophrenic and your thinking does not seem to be congruent to mine -- indeed, it is not even similar except for a few exceptions, and these are readily explained by other, more likely reasons.

If anything, you seem a bit obsessive and driven, while simulataneously battling bouts of severe depression, leading me to wonder if you are just bipolar. (Not to make light of that, you understand.)

 

[streetsurfer]

Hey thats cool, ur right, I have come to realise that without a doubt I have some kind of affective disorder. currently on 200mg of lamictal which has helped though now I have tipped the dexies down the sink (were making me way manic) I might see just how well they really work.
For my whole life I have mostly presented as agitated depression.

Also, does abruptly discontinuing Dex cause like a mixed state? I feel quite agitated and have a verse of song, something someone said, an idea that just repeats over and over and over in my head from waking up. Really intrusive unpleasent.