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Harm Reduction Ok You Guys Scare Me (About IVing Pills)

Deadhead420

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Ok so I just started shooting this week but I've been doing it every day, multiple times a day, except today, and I only did once yesterday. I snorted 2mg Suboxone last night and it's still killing my cravings... actually made it kinda hard to sleep and got me a little high too.

Anyway on my other threads you guys have warned me about micron filter micron filter micron filer lol. But I was just wondering, what the fuck is talc and how does it get in my lungs? What pills is it in? Only OC or Dilaudid too? I've been coldshaking dilaudid(actually hotshaking cause I add hot water :p) and with my OC I've been heating in a spoon and then filtering with cotton. I tried google searching but didn't get much info.

Any other scary things I should know about and ways to avoid them? Dankaholic, djsim, this is where you guys step in heh.

Also, there's a chance that in the future I'll be able to score some H. Is this safer to inject than pills?
 
Also, there's a chance that in the future I'll be able to score some H. Is this safer to inject than pills?

I don't think so.

At least with pills you can easily find out their contents and make an educated choice.

Smack can be fucking anything.
 
But I was just wondering, what the fuck is talc
Talc is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talc said:
Talc is a metamorphic mineral resulting from the metamorphism of magnesian minerals such as serpentine, pyroxene, amphibole, olivine, in the presence of carbon dioxide and water. This is known as talc carbonation or steatization and produces a suite of rocks known as talc carbonates.

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A coarse grayish-green high-talc rock is soapstone or steatite and has been used for stoves, sinks, electrical switchboards, etc. It is often used for surfaces of lab counter tops and electrical switchboards because of its resistance to heat, electricity and acids. Talc finds use as a cosmetic (talcum powder), as a lubricant, and as a filler in paper manufacture. Talc is used in baby powder, an astringent powder used for preventing rashes on the area covered by a diaper (see diaper rash). It is also often used in basketball to keep a player's hands dry. Most tailor's chalk is talc, as is the chalk often used for welding or metalworking.

Talc is also used as food additive or in pharmaceutical products as a glidant. In medicine talc is used as a pleurodesis agent to prevent recurrent pneumothorax. In the European Union the additive number is E553b.

Talc is widely used in the ceramics industry in both bodies and glazes. In low-fire artware bodies it imparts whiteness and increases thermal expansion to resist crazing. In stonewares, small percentages of talc are used to flux the body and therefore improve strength and vitrification. It is a source of MgO flux in high temperature glazes (to control melting temperature). It is also employed as a matting agent in earthenware glazes and can be used to produce magnesia mattes at high temperatures.

Finally, talc is also used as an inactive ingredient in pills to make them dangerous to prepare for intravenous use.

and how does it get in my lungs?
You inject it, and it circulates in your blood until your lung tissue absorbs it.

Also, there's a chance that in the future I'll be able to score some H. Is this safer to inject than pills?
Yes, heroin is a LOT safer to inject than pills. I would stick to that over OC's.

What pills is it in? Only OC or Dilaudid too? I've been coldshaking dilaudid(actually hotshaking cause I add hot water :p) and with my OC I've been heating in a spoon and then filtering with cotton. I tried google searching but didn't get much info.
It's in OC for sure, it's also in ritalin, morphine sulfate, and many other pills.

I don't believe it's in Dilaudid.

http://www.rxlist.com/oxycontin-drug.htm said:
The tablets contain the following inactive ingredients: ammonio methacrylate copolymer, hypromellose, lactose, magnesium stearate, polyethylene glycol 400, povidone, sodium hydroxide, sorbic acid, stearyl alcohol, talc, titanium dioxide, and triacetin.

http://www.rxlist.com/dilaudid-drug.htm said:
Each DILAUDID 8 mg TABLET contains 8 mg hydromorphone hydrochloride. In addition, the tablets include lactose anhydrous, and magnesium stearate.
Dilaudid is a lot safer to use without the micron filter. It doesn't have microcrystalline cellulose or talc, which are two things you shouldn't ever have to IV.

If you can't find heroin, but are still going to IV something, stick to dilaudid and pass on the OxyContin.

I don't think so.

At least with pills you can easily find out their contents and make an educated choice.

Smack can be fucking anything.

While this is a valid argument, I think if you're going to IV, heroin is much safer than OC, especially when lacking a micron filter.

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My main message to deadhead420 (the OP) is that I'm glad you were scared, because that means you value your health and well being. You should be fine from using for the short while you have. Many people have injected pills like OC's and ritalin and not everyone came down with talcosis of the lung and needed a lung transplant like the 50-something year old woman in the Case Studies thread.

I would quit while you're ahead. If you're going to use, stick to not IVing the OC's. Besides, OC has such a good oral BA you don't need to IV it. If you're going to IV, stick to dilaudid or heroin only.

I hope that this thread serves people with information who would IV stuff like Oxy without knowing the risks of doing so without a micron filter.

If you only want to get a small quantity of micron filters (i.e. not several hundred of them) this can be arranged and they are affordable (especially when you're already paying 50 cents to a dollar per mg of OC, amirite?)
 
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You're doing it all wrong.

By cold shaking you aren't filtering any of the fillers out of the dillies.

And by heating the OC, not only are you damaging the opiate itself, but you are MELTING additional fillers into your solution which would normally be filtered out.
 
You're doing it all wrong.

By cold shaking you aren't filtering any of the fillers out of the dillies.

And by heating the OC, not only are you damaging the opiate itself, but you are MELTING additional fillers into your solution which would normally be filtered out.

I missed the part where the OP was heating the OC solution.

To all who read this: please, never heat a solution for IV. The active ingredient is water soluble, and you do not need to heat it. It only helps stuff like talc get in your shot.

and with my OC I've been heating in a spoon and then filtering with cotton.

damn...how'd I miss that?
 
I don't think so.

At least with pills you can easily find out their contents and make an educated choice.

Smack can be fucking anything.

While it is possible to cut dope with anything, it's made specifically for injecting. Therefore, most of the cuts are added with that in mind.

Pills on the other hand WILL cause serious problems. All pills contain talc, and talc will kill your lungs.
 
Let me rephrase; all OC's contain talc.

Not to get too off topic here either but, i know talc fucks shit up in your lungs, but what other cuts are as dangerious/more dangerous than talc? It seems talc might be the worst threat in shooting pills.
 
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hmm... can you IV suboxone or is it one of those no-no things? Also, yea I think I will quit IVing OC. It doesn't really give me a rush and it feels about the same as taking it orally. So for my dilaudids I'm really supposed to be filtering right? Do they sell micron filters at a pharmacy or where can I purchase them? Online Only?
 
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Are you sure the new mallunkrodt dillies don't have talc?

Ah, shit do they? That's what I've been shooting. These guys right here:

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EDIT: I'm from Tennessee, US
 
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Are you sure the new mallunkrodt dillies don't have talc?

I dunno I looked up brand name. It showed me the active/inactive ingredients for the injectables and then the 8mg tabs.

I can't find the info on it. I know someone who can supply it though, they have the M4's. I'll ask real quick and they'll probably help out.

Let me rephrase; all OC's contain talc.

Not to get too off topic here either but, i know talc fucks shit up in your lungs, but what other cuts are as dangerious/more dangerous than talc? It seems talc might be the worst threat in shooting pills.

I know microcrystalline cellulose is another horrible culprit.

Tchort actually posted a thread which would be really interesting concerning your inquiry.

I have an idea about PK30 (povidone K30) due to this information I read on it. If you IV suboxone, please read this.

the below is my post in the aforementioned thread by Tchort:

I found out that this is soluble in cold water from the link below.

http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Polyvinylpyrrolidone_K_30-9926650 <-- Povidone K30 Material Safety Data Sheet

It appears to be a skin, eye, and respiratory tract irritant.
 
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hmm... can you IV suboxone or is it one of those no-no things? Also, yea I think I will quit IVing OC. It doesn't really give me a rush and it feels about the same as taking it orally. So for my dilaudids I'm really supposed to be filtering right? Do they sell micron filters at a pharmacy or where can I purchase them? Online Only?

You can indeed IV suboxone. It does not contain talc nor microcrystalline cellulose. By confirming you can do this though, I am not suggesting you do. It can definitely be done though, I would definitely crush up desired amount -> into the spoon, and add water. Let the solution sit for at least 4 minutes, this will let the inactives to settle to the bottom (so when you draw back the liquid you get the buprenorphine, not all the crap at the bottom). As you're drawing back, stop when you start to see the liquid at the top slowly disappear and the inactive stuff start to come toward the tip. You should get a good amount back if you do this often enough ;)

Thanks for sticking to the oral ROA for OC. In the long run, you will save your lungs a lot of trouble and they (should) last you a long time.

If you want to IV dilaudid I think a cotton filter would work just fine, but I have never used it. The Dankaholic will only micron his M4's, so he'd probably say you should go get the micron filters. However, looking at the inactive ingredients for (brand name) dilaudid, and assuming that the M4's have the exact same active/inactive ingredients as the brand name stuff (whether it does or not - that is another question which may or may not make what I'm about to say incorrect) then you should be fine.

Lactose anhydrous is the only inactive you'd be facing, because magnesium stearate is not water soluble. By cold shaking though, you've been IVing this, and I don't know where it would end up (it is a mystery!), however, if you filter properly with a cotton, you should get a pretty safe shot with dilaudid.

This is, again, assuming that the M4's have the same active/inactives as the brand name dilaudid, and I cannot know this for sure. The M4's might have other inactives I just do not know about. Therefore, ignore my post if you know differently.

However, if you are prescribed Mallinckrodt brand dilaudid, please post the active/inactives here by typing them in from your informational pamphlet that comes with your prescription.

The final question from deadhead: I think online is the only place to get them, but if you know of a science supply type store, that may be a good place to look.

You can PM TheDankaholic (he will talk to you), or try looking at this site under the Filtration section:

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/Products/list.htm
 
I shoot Subutex.

If you're an addict, it won't get you high.

It will just make it go further - and help with the needle cravings.
 
I shoot Subutex.

If you're an addict, it won't get you high.

It will just make it go further - and help with the needle cravings.

If you use suboxone sublingually to taper down so your opiate tolerance drops to low or low/medium, then you will be able to "get high" so to speak from it. It's not a classical IV heroin rush at all, but the rush and high are there. Opiate naive people can get quite the enjoyable experience out of it.

If you do choose to go down the IV route with either suboxone or subutex, please start with a low dose. The BA is 30% for sublingual and 100% for IV. Knowing this, if you sublingually use 8mg, try 2mg iv. If you sublingually use 2mg, try 0.5mg IV. Don't just use your sublingual dose IV assuming it'll get you high, because typically at lower doses of buprenorphine is when you have the window of opportunity to have buprenorphine activating mu-opioid receptors but not have an abundance of it to the point where some mu-opioid receptors are not taken up by buprenorphine so the metabolite norbuprenorphine activates the open mu-opioid receptors. Norbuprenorphine is a better mu-agonist and is what typically causes people to find that a low dose of buprenorphine is more enjoyable than a high one.

A final note to the OD mods: I was considering merging this thread into this one, since their topics are overlapping. I don't know whether or not to do it though...so I'm leaving this here until someone can give their opinion on this.
 
^WTF?!

When I had them - "Oxynorm" - they were COMPLETELY un-bangable.

The powder in the caps was like grit, and would not dissolve at all. No matter what I did to them.
 
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