Ok simple question to the colective mind here at blue... Oxy, Hydro, Fent WD's

[painenduser]

While the chances of this happening are next to impossible, I must ask anyway.. Let's say that tomorrow, I ru out of my Fent Patches, and my Dilaudid..... Or let's say I have one and not the other. What ever the case my be.. If I have Oxycodone 80mg's say 30 of them, would they keep the narco-horrific-withdraw beetles away? I know they are all in some form or another Morphine or will metabolize into morphine, however, I also know that Fent, and Hydro, are more in the Morphine family, while Oxy's are more in the Codeine family (metabolized to morphine once in the body).

So bottom line, yes or no. If I am out of my normal meds (Fent, Dilaudid), will the Oxy 80's keep me from opiate withdraw and keep my pain level somewhere manageable?

Thanks once again al for the brother(sister)hood of knowledge we share!

Peace,

Pain

 

[shimazu]

30 OC 80s, shit Id try to hang on to those, as they are worth a pretty hefty amount. But I dont think you would have WD if you subbed the OCs for the other two. But dont quote me on that

 

[SameOldShit101]

Of course they will keep you out of withdrawal. Haven't you ever been in a similar situation EVER in your life? God, I wish I were you if you haven't. Are they the old oxy 80s (somehow) or are they the OP 80s? You say you've got 30 of them, correct? These, along with the fent or hydromorphone will be fine. haha I can't believe I have to answer this because its a situation I think ANY of us in the opiate/oid community would give a skin graph to be in. If you've got to wait 1 month to get your regular shit back together, then substituting the oxycodone for either the fent, or the dilly should be fine when it comes to pain management, assuming you are replacing ONE fent, or ONE dilly dose, with ONE oxycodone dose, per day. Fentanyl has a pretty short active duration time. With that said, oxycodone has a much longer duration, but, you didn't specify if you had fent patches, that leak fent all day, or if you just take a small dose? Either way, 80mg oxycodone in replacement of 1 fentanyl dose will keep you going, for the most part. (assuming your not planning to CRUSH the oxycodone pill [assuming you DO have the original style pills, which I doubt] to receive a rush. This will almost certainly result in the 80mg oxycodone lasting less time than the patch) When it comes to replacing your HYDROcodone with the OXYcodone, I'd say, assuming your replacing 1 oral hydromorphone pill, for 1 oral oxycodone pill, once per day, you will be FINE. Do you take your hydromorphone orally, or IV? If you take your hydro IV and now your switching for oxycodone 80 oral, then I'd say, (assuming your hydro dose is 2 to 4mg give or take) the oxycodone should replicate the hydromorphone well enough, and at the same time, it will also last much longer) When it comes to withdrawal, you shouldn't notice much of any if you are replacing dose for dose. If you are replacing an all day fent patch with one 80 in the morning, then, for the first few days, you MAY experience a bit of a lack of energy, motivation, happiness. But other than that, I promise, you should be pretty OK.

 

[painenduser]

30 OC 80s, shit Id try to hang on to those, as they are worth a pretty hefty amount. But I dont think you would have WD if you subbed the OCs for the other two. But dont quote me on that

Good to know, and yeah I was planning on hanging on to them for times when I run out of my dillies. It happens because he writes me a 5 days supply and tells me to make them last 7 days

 

[shimazu]

for some reason I thought I read you had OC 80s, theyre probably OPs actually

 

[painenduser]

Of course they will keep you out of withdrawal. Haven't you ever been in a similar situation EVER in your life? God, I wish I were you if you haven't.

I have never taken Oxy's perse, my last 2years in pain mgt has revolved around Dilaudid and Fent patches. I have taken the silly little 5-10mg Roxies because they want to prescribe me perc's, but then I have to remind them that I have liver disease and can't take anything with APAP.

Are they the old oxy 80s (somehow) or are they the OP 80s?

Not sure what you mean by old (I assume you mean past the expiration date?) If so, no they are not. Also I am unsure what you mean by OP 80's. I really apologize for sounding so dumb, I just get my meds to make the freaking pain go away, hence the reason I am somewhat naive here because most people who like you use them as rec. seem to know way more then me and I have always been pretty good with pharmacology, but I don't have a lot of experience with pain meds, but I' learning thanks to you guys! And no, I still don't want to play with them yet as my health is to unstable. I would love to be typing all this to see how I can get high off this shit since I am an addict, well alcoholic 2 years in recovery so I guess that qualifies me as an addict still

You say you've got 30 of them, correct?

Yes 30

These, along with the fent or hydromorphone will be fine. haha I can't believe I have to answer this because its a situation I think ANY of us in the opiate/oid community would give a skin graph to be in.

lol Well lets just hope you don't have to give a skin graph, because then I would feel bad and have to give you some of mine to ease your pain which would leave less for me.

If you've got to wait 1 month to get your regular shit back together, then substituting the oxycodone for either the fent, or the dilly should be fine when it comes to pain management, assuming you are replacing ONE fent, or ONE dilly dose, with ONE oxycodone dose, per day.

For the most part that would be the plan, but it would go more like this.... I have a very bad week wit pain, and I use up all my dillies.. Then to compensate I would finish out the week with the Fent and the Oxy rather then dillies. Or I run out of my dillies, and the stupid Fent patch gets a hole in it and with a cat that is VERY common. God forbid I leave a patch packet out, he turns it into a pin cushion with his teeth and claws, then I would need the Oxy to hold me until I get my next Dillies filled and eventually the Fents.

Fentanyl has a pretty short active duration time. With that said, oxycodone has a much longer duration, but, you didn't specify if you had fent patches, that leak fent all day, or if you just take a small dose?

Yeah I am aware of the short half-life of Fent. I am currently on 50mcg/hr and the patches suck.

Either way, 80mg oxycodone in replacement of 1 fentanyl dose will keep you going, for the most part. (assuming your not planning to CRUSH the oxycodone pill [assuming you DO have the original style pills, which I doubt] to receive a rush.

Not sure what the value here of crushing the pill would be.. Are you thinking that they have time release coating or something? I was under the impression that Oxycontin was time release and Oxycodone was IR, am I mistaken here?

This will almost certainly result in the 80mg oxycodone lasting less time than the patch) When it comes to replacing your HYDROcodone with the OXYcodone, I'd say, assuming your replacing 1 oral hydromorphone pill, for 1 oral oxycodone pill, once per day, you will be FINE. Do you take your hydromorphone orally, or IV? If you take your hydro IV and now your switching for oxycodone 80 oral, then I'd say, (assuming your hydro dose is 2 to 4mg give or take) the oxycodone should replicate the hydromorphone well enough, and at the same time, it will also last much longer) When it comes to withdrawal, you shouldn't notice much of any if you are replacing dose for dose. If you are replacing an all day fent patch with one 80 in the morning, then, for the first few days, you MAY experience a bit of a lack of energy, motivation, happiness. But other than that, I promise, you should be pretty OK.

No I dont shoot anything. Believe it or not, this may seem like an addicts dream set of meds, I am not in it for the high as I had a hard enough time kicking my alcoholism. I am taking this plainly for the pain. However because I have been on Dillies so long my tolerance is through the roof and the BA of dilaudid orally is only something like >25% so due to that and the fact that I only get 30 2 mg/wk I have been railing them just to get any relief since the med doesn't get wiped out by the liver first.

Thanks for the follow up and hopefully you can clarify on those few areas.

Peace!


Ps what does OP refer to regarding Oxy's?

 

[flyonth3wall]

On your Oxycontin tablets, do they say 'OC' on 1 side and '80' on the other? Or do they say 'OP' and '80'?

OC = old formula, which is no longer available in the USA, though they are still made in Europe and elsewhere.

OP = USA New Formula Oxycontin, which in the vast majority of (ab)user's, are total shit compared to OC. I personally would not know, I live in Europe and still get the old original formula, which, as far as I know is staying the same. The main reason for the change in the US was due to the large numbers of people abusing Oxycontin, so the Department of Justice decided to clamp down hard on EVERYONE.

 

[painenduser]

These say OC, and I know what you are talking about with the clamping down. The state NJ where I live now has an audit system in place where is you go to a hospital or pharmacy they run your name through this narcotics system and if you have gotten what the STATE considers enough medication, the hospital can not prescribe nor medicate you in the ER unless you have an acute injury like a broken arm. If you go to the ER due to say like me, I have chronic pain that becomes extreme sometimes, and my meds are not helping, going to the ER wont help either because now they look and say "Oh well you just filled your pain med script 4 days ago, therefore we can not give you anything else." I was like Dc, listen I am NOT asking for a script, I am asking you to give me a dose off pain meds to help me get through this pain and then send me home. Sorry he says, it's all governed by the state now, our hands are tied, there is nothing we can do. Mother F'er I was pissed. But thats how they are cracking down here in NJ because according to the DR, OD's from Prescription pain meds now out does the amount of people killed in car wrecks each year. They say that it's become an epidemic. So thank you to all those who are dipshits and don't know what the F you are doing and OD'ing, because not only have you fucked yourself, you have fucked EVERYONE WHO LEGITIMATELY NEEDS THE MEDICATION AND NOW CAN'T GET IT!!!! Do I sound or seem pissed? You bet your ass I am pissed. I have to resort to ways I will not discuss to get my pain meds now, just so I can get some relief when the pain goes over the threshold I can take! Sorry for being so aggravated. Lk I have nothing against the guy who wants to get high... Thats one thing, but when your behavior effects the people that really need it, then I have a problem with that. F my life!

 

[benzo bars]

Just the fact that you are that pissed about not receiving your pain meds hints that you are an addict yourself. There will always be junkies and the government can't just stand by while people OD. They have to do something, but I don't think their solution is the best solution that could be done.

 

[painenduser]

Just the fact that you are that pissed about not receiving your pain meds hints that you are an addict yourself.

I highly disagree with that statement. In fact on behalf of all chronic pain sufferers I am highly insulted my this. Being upset because I can not get my pain meds WHEN I am in pain does NOT indicate I am an addict, it indicates that I am miserable and in alot of pain and highly uncomfortable, and the fact that these new laws are in place that pretty much punishes everyone is ridiculous.

Lets look at it a different way, lets say you had migraine headaches, and the medicine you had at home wasn't helping, so you go to the ER for help and they tell you, um sorry, I see you went to the pharmacy the other day and you picked up you Imatrex, there fore the state feels that you have plenty of medicine to deal with you migraine. I am sorry that your in so much pain that the light, the sounds, any movements are hurting your head, but we can not give you anything else because you have the medicine at home. So you must talk to the Dr that prescribed that medication and work it out with them. Now you are discharged, with your migraine having you in tears because it hurt so bad and your highly pissed off because you went there for help and were denied..... So benzo bars, I guess under your statement that person much have some addiction to the immetrex because they were denied any other choice of perhaps a different medication?? Come on dude that is just a ridiculous statement. This is what pisses me off, everybody has this misconception that if a person is on pain meds, they MUST me an addict due to one reason or another and this last example is just ridiculous and pisses me off even more. Look, unless you have been in or suffer from chronic severe pain and I mean TRUE chronic severe pain, and I don't mean like ouch my thumb hurts for the last week from arthritis (unless it's RA in which case that would suck, my mom has that and can barely use her hand, but I digress) I am talking about legitimant pain that leaves you doubled over, not able to move, and just wanting to end the agony, unless you have lived through that, and still have these same thoughts after being treated this way, then you can come back and talk, because at that point you would be a pretty special person. There is a reason people have used pain for torture for 1000's of years BECAUSE
IT FUCKING HURTS!!!!!

I am sorry but that was a completely insensitive and very niave thing for you to have said.

 

[lazylazyjoe]

and the government can't just stand by while people OD.

They should. It's not a government's job to stop you from killing yourself.

 

[1sweetpeach]

Only you know if you're an addict. To me that is different from having a physical addiction to the meds you're taking. I have an uncle who is paralyzed from the waist down and is on massive amounts of meds that he has to have. i would not consider him an addict because he fell off his roof and broke his back and now he takes more drugs than I do. Oh, and I take mine purely recreationally and cant and wont deny i'm an addict. just because you are addicted does not mean your an addict IMHO.

 

[1sweetpeach]

They should. It's not a government's job to stop you from killing yourself.

So true.

 

[painenduser]

They should. It's not a government's job to stop you from killing yourself.

Sadly they do have laws in most if not all states that makes suicide against the law, be even so, that's not really the point. What should not be the governments job is watching over the idiots who take their medication at dangerous levels because they did not read the insert of the MS Contin, OXYContin, or other opiate bottle that says, DO NOT CRUSH OR CHEW AS THIS MAY RELEASE A HIGH DOSAGE OF THIS MEDICATION THAT MAY CAUSE BREATHING ISSUES AND CAN BE FATAL!! If you can't freaking read or choose not to read then that's your own damn fault and not the governments or mine! And this making me angry does NOT make me an addict! That really was the most infuriating comment I have heard in a long time. It really just shows the naivety of some people.

Note to mods: I am not trying to be inflammatory here so please do not edit these posts unless you feel that they absolutely must be. The points being argued here, that may become a bit heated are very valid arguments and need their air time as this issue is becoming a severe national problem here in the states and we need a voice, at least our side does Not to mention, do you guys know that technically this new audit system is unconstitutional??? It violates the very essence of the HIPPA laws, which was enacted to grant you privacy from ANYONE including Dr's ect from viewing your medical (including pharmacy) records as it now allows ANY Doctor or Pharmacy, Hospital, Nurse to look at your medication history WITH OUT YOUR SIGNED EXPLICIT PERMISSION!!!!!!! Now I have even MORE of a reason to be pissed and does NOT make me an addict!

 

[painenduser]

Only you know if you're an addict. To me that is different from having a physical addiction to the meds you're taking. I have an uncle who is paralyzed from the waist down and is on massive amounts of meds that he has to have. i would not consider him an addict because he fell off his roof and broke his back and now he takes more drugs than I do. Oh, and I take mine purely recreationally and cant and wont deny i'm an addict. just because you are addicted does not mean your an addict IMHO.

Yes, There is a difference between being an addict and your body becoming chemically dependent on a certain medication. This occurs in someway with most medications at some level, which is why with most meds they tell you not to stop suddenly and talk to your Dr about tapering off. This is common with most psychoactive drugs, pain medications, barbiturates, anxiety medications, anti depressants, Blood Pressure medications, and I can go on and on, however, that is not what I believe Benzo Bars was referring too. He made the claim that because I didn't get my medication I was a whiney addict (of coarse he did not use those words exactly, but he might as well have, because I believe thats what he was saying. He certainly did not say that I was upset because the hospital let me go with out helping to treat my acute pain, being that the medications I had either could not handle the pain I was having at that time, or that perhaps I have been on a particular medication so long that my tolerance of the drug is way high (mainly due to a chemical dependency) and perhaps they should have, could have tried a different / better medication on me to see if I would get any relief. No, what he said was "Just the fact that you are that pissed about not receiving your pain meds hints that you are an addict yourself." To be clear, I was not pissed off that I didn't get shot up with a narcotic, I was and am pissed of that they refused to give me anything for the chronic severe pain because the state says they can't as if they know better then the Dr what I as the patient needs..... They could have shit me with water, Iwould not have cared if it would have helped with the pain.