oh no!! the magic??

[Deleted member 137730]

I have taken E in like 5 years, damn its been a while. But still, when I listen to music I listened to when I was rollin all the time, it sure as hell doesn't make me happy. The complete opposite actually. Something to keep in mind...

good advice here. i feel the same way. music isnt as empathetic as it once was.

 

[rickolasnice]

Back to your "but we just don't know" form. You suggested a possible cause for "magic loss", and I presented some information that I feel adequately shows otherwise. You can't just say "I don't know... but nobody knows..." over and over. What are you even arguing anymore?

How does the information you presented show otherwise? They ALL come to the conclusion that the brain is permanently altered after MDMA abuse.

You originally said that "losing the magic" was real, now it's just "the effects change over time"? That's a little different.

No, it's the same thing.

Like I said, the effects probably do change over time. The difference between you and me is I see the biggest change in the effects as the way you perceive the roll, and embrace the differences MDMA has to offer now. You just are sad that you've "lost the magic" because it doesn't blow your mind anymore.

No. You can keep trying to tell me that it's simply because MDMA doesn't blow my mind anymore but it's not that. It's like a permanent change in affects and tolerance. No euphoria. No nystagmus. Very little bruxism if any. No empathy. No increased sociability. Still have visual distortion, ability to cause slight insomnia and anorexia, still get a slight "rushy" feeling, although it feels very different..

When you quote every line of everything I post and write stuff like "I don't know, do you", "I don't know", *Cries*, etc., it just makes you look really defensive. Was your purpose in this discussion to debunk everything I write, or craft your own side of a debate? There really isn't much for you to craft when all you continue to say is "but we just don't know about the brain, its complicated, we just have anecdotal evidence."

No. I thought we were having a debate / discussion starting because you tried to discredit my personal experience, as well as thousands of others, by posting studies that you thought suggests your brain fully heals after MDMA abuse but actually suggests your brain is forever different after MDMA abuse. I was typing replies such as "i don't know, do you?" as a very resonable to reply your apparent knowledge that damage / change to 5-ht axons can't cause a change in MDMA's effects.. which is bullshit because you don't know that.. nobody does.. I'm simply suggesting it can. I typed "cries" because you and another poster were attacking my grammar.. which really hurt my feelings.

Discussions / debates normally involve a response that has relevance to the previous statement. Something you don't seem to be getting..

At the moment you are the one claiming a phenomenon like "losing the magic" exists, so unfortunately for you I don't have anything to prove, you do.

The evidence i've presented (or you've presented), i believe, suggests that alteration of 5-ht axons may be, atleast part of, the reason that loss of magic (change in MDMA's effects) are permanent.

You can't just discredit so many peoples experiences with this because you havn't experienced it yourself.

Prove anxiety exists. Prove sleep paralysis exists. Prove schizophrenia exists. The physiological mechanism behind these things is not fully understood. There are simply theories and speculation as to what causes them. Pretty much all evidence for their existance is people reporting the affects / observing behaviour.. Give me as much MDMA as you like and observe the complete lack of some of the phsical affects and i'll report to you the change in mental affects.. I'm sure 1000s of other people could participate and you'll see the same thing.