OH, Dayton - 12.31.07 Monday - Tri State Love 2 - New Years Eve Party!!

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Tiffy_aka_Nibbles said:
I believe I lost my keys at the gym club once.... I have also spent lots of time in the bathroom there...how come everyone ends up in the bathroom?
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typically security stays out of the bathrooms, so everyone ends up in there buying, selling, and doing drugs.

wonder what you were doing in the bathroom so long...
 
gizzmo said:
I've heard there's a headliner playing in Indy on NYE that I'm stoked to see if it is happening. I have to agree that this is waaay overpriced for an essentially locals only event. I like the helping a cause but it would end up costing me close to $100 I don't have to go see people I could see on any given weekend. If I lived in ohio I'd go but I can't justify spending the money...
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I agree it is a bit overpriced for the talent, not getting much I havent see already for free or $3. But I do like the gym club and its better than going to therapy, I need to get out of town and relax a bit. This lets me do that. I hardly think theres going to be a headliner worth seeing in Indy if it hasnt been announced yet already, but knowing how people do things here it wouldnt suprise me to hear Tiesto or somebody is playing here the weekend before.
 
im gonna try to hit this up, even though im gonna be by myself cause none of my friends will go...bitches. if anyone wants to say hi PM me, itd be nice to meet some people.
 
I completely understand that Curtis, I have no job as of now so I can't afford the weekend away from Indy I could use. The names I've heard thrown around for Indy are not Tiesto in price range(not talent wise, lol) but interesting to myself and probably the others who don't venture out of town. This isn't one of my dissing an event opinions by any means, I like Jason. I hope he does well for the cause.
 
Keep in mind the talent was voted by a lot of people in the area here. So If you are upset about who is on the lineup. Thats your own fault for not voting. Maybe you will vote for the next party.

The price you pay is for a incredible all around well balanced party, and in my opinion, this is a great price for a New Years Eve party anywhere, at an old school venue, with a mega-soundsystem, great visuals, lighting and a surely impressive vibe that we all miss. If you feel like there is a DJ or DJ's you want to see missing from the lineup, or deserve to be on the lineup, once again, you should nominate someone and vote for them next time. I'm sure there will be more and bigger parties to come, so keep your local talented DJ's and producers in mind.

Organizing an event of this scale takes a lot of heart and effort on many fronts, so whether you choose to go or not, you have to respect it for that. Most promoters have given up on trying to put on events of this caliber. But many people are sick of the same club venues and the same experience week after week. I'm proud to be a part of this show and I stand behind these efforts 110%. I will do everything in my own personal power to make it the best experience for everyone who chooses to be there or be involved.

If you want to see more shows like this, or if you are DJ who wants to play at a future show, I highly recommend you attend this show and get the experience of what it would be like. Bring your demo's and let people know who you are.

My first real party was at this venue back in 2000. I'm sure there will be hundreds of people getting the same experience that I did the first time. If one person leaves this show as moved as I was, then to me that is a success in itself. Someone is going to get their first Mix CD from a DJ. It could be yours, but it will probably be mine, because I'll be giving away hundreds of them. You should too. Even if your not playing. Many people will remember this night for a very long time.

Ultimately it's your decision to go or not. There sure is always plenty to do on new years. I know where I'm going to be, and I know where all my friends are going to be. Why would I want to be anywhere else?

JM
 
problems w/ said vote:

a. No actual vote counts were released to substantiate the lineup

b. Promoters/Agents (including myself) couldn't vote which rules out the most active people in the scene beyond DJs leaving behind a bunch of kids that are going to essentially for their dj buddy friend and not for ppl that actually have talent.



I agree that it is nice to see a full scale event going off, but I know for a fact what it costs to put on a rave, and for what they are charging ... there should be something at least remotely resembling a headliner.

Seriously, how many of the DJs on this lineup actually getting paid something more than gas money?


We all know where you and your friends will be on NYE ... at this party ... bc you are playing. Your friends that are going are probably the same 10 ppl you had vote for you 3 times each so you could play on this lineup.


And no self-respecting DJ is going to ask their friends to vote for them in some silly internet poll.
 
Jay-P Gold said:
We all know where you and your friends will be on NYE ... at this party ... bc you are playing. Your friends that are going are probably the same 10 ppl you had vote for you 3 times each so you could play on this lineup.


And no self-respecting DJ is going to ask their friends to vote for them in some silly internet poll.
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Assume Biggstmack is a self-respecting DJ. Now tell me if you see any problem with the reasoning you've been using so far. And no, I don't know the guy from Adam. I've never heard him DJ, but I suppose I will when I show up to this event.

The "bunch of kids" who are doing the voting are the ones who are supporting the scene. Without them the DJs you represent (you said you're an agent) have no place to play, which means you're out of a job, or a hobby, or a way to scrounge gas money and feel smugly superior, or whatever this happens to be for you.

Personally it's nothing to me if you want to dump on this event. Don't go. Convince all your friends not to go. That's fine with me, because I'll probably have more fun without you there.

Cheers.
 
Obyron said:
Assume Biggstmack is a self-respecting DJ. Now tell me if you see any problem with the reasoning you've been using so far. And no, I don't know the guy from Adam. I've never heard him DJ, but I suppose I will when I show up to this event.

The "bunch of kids" who are doing the voting are the ones who are supporting the scene. Without them the DJs you represent (you said you're an agent) have no place to play, which means you're out of a job, or a hobby, or a way to scrounge gas money and feel smugly superior, or whatever this happens to be for you.

Personally it's nothing to me if you want to dump on this event. Don't go. Convince all your friends not to go. That's fine with me, because I'll probably have more fun without you there.

Cheers.
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your logic fails on a factual basis. there are not enough straight "custies" to really get an accurate accounting of what those who "really" support the scene want to see. the kids who probably voted dont attend many shows. they probably only come out when one of their buddies is playing on a lineup.

the votes you got were from uneducated voters. as we have found w/ the united states over the past two elections, when the voting public blindly follows their friends' suggestions, we get shit turnouts and results.

that is exactly what you got w/ this lineup.

you got a bunch of uninformed votes leading to an absolutely shit lineup that is nowhere near worth the cost at the door.

if the door price was like $15 .... then it would be a worthwhile event. as is now, it just seems like someone trying to scrounge up some cash for whatever reason at the expense of a bunch of uneducated pseudo-ravers that will most likely be hanging out in the bathroom.

bookings should not be popularity contests.

they should be about talent.
 
If the extra 5 dollars is going to break you up, you should probably be staying home for NYE. I suppose I'm not educated enough to divine the fine line separating a 15 dollar show from a 20 dollar show.

In an earlier post you suggested Stellar Spark. Are you repping anyone at that event? Are you a promoter for that event?

Bookings should be about who people want to see. You don't think it's possible that the DJs people vote for are talented? By the same token, are people NOT voting for talented DJs? You lost me with the whole presidential elections metaphor. Are you saying there were rigged Diebold machines in the internet polls?
 
Obyron said:
If the extra 5 dollars is going to break you up, you should probably be staying home for NYE. I suppose I'm not educated enough to divine the fine line separating a 15 dollar show from a 20 dollar show.

In an earlier post you suggested Stellar Spark. Are you repping anyone at that event? Are you a promoter for that event?

Bookings should be about who people want to see. You don't think it's possible that the DJs people vote for are talented? By the same token, are people NOT voting for talented DJs? You lost me with the whole presidential elections metaphor. Are you saying there were rigged Diebold machines in the internet polls?
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im not repping anyone at stellar spark. but at least rectangle, collete, john b, and doormouse will be playing some tunes that i cant hear in a friend's bedroom.

and its not a $20 party... its $20 before 11 ... and like i said ... no one shows up before 11. the real price of this party isnt even mentioned on the flyer, so i assume its most likely $25, but it would be something totally whack like $30

since you didnt understand my metaphor, let me break it down for you:
1. Your voter-pool is highly skewed from those that actually attend shows regularly and truly support EDM because your voter-pool consists of what are mostly likely friends of the DJs playing.
2. Your voter-pool that consists of friends of DJs up for election most likely has very little knowledge of electronic dance music and especially who the quality local acts are.
3. If your voter-pool has little knowledge of the local scene, then they are uneducated.
4. History has proven time and time again, that people tend to make really dumb decisions when they are uneducated.
5. Your voter-pool was handicapped by the disenfranchisement of Promoters and Agents that are more than likely well educated about the local EDM scene and the artists striving to break through in said scene.
6. You let a bunch of uneducated, most likely non-scene voters determine the entertainment for a scene event.
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7. These series of circumstances would lead a reasonable and intelligent person like myself to believe that you got a mediocre lineup at best.

8. Coupled w/ an admission cost of $20 before 11PM, your party is an overpriced piece of bull shit.



Do you need a fucking crayon illustation to get it this time asshole?
 
I appreciate the breakdown, but you missed the implication that I understood what you meant, completely disagreed with not only your conclusions, but the reasons you used to reach them, and simply found it easier to mock you.

I'll try to be less subtle next time.
 
All the bullshit arhuments aside; I am party kid of the last six years of this scene. I have the decision to go to Stellar or Tri-State. I know there will be headliners at one and all locals at the other. They are both costly either way I go. (Gas, food, and sleeping arrangements, etc.) There are going to be good local talent at both. But there will be no headlining talent at one. I was not aware of any vote for talent at either. Both of these destinations are at least 2 1/2 hours from me. I will be bringing three to four people with me. Half of us are regulars to the scene half are not.

Now all this being said; I have seen all the Talent at Tri-state more than twice. I have only scene half of the local talent at Stellar about twice. They all have good representations of the local scene around the surrounding area. Although I must admit the local talent for Tri- State is Ohio dominated not equally balanced. I understand that this is probably due to the venue location which is acceptable. I have been to many parties at this venue and it is a very fun venue. I have also have been at a couple parties at the Rave which has a bar like atmosphere more than a party vibe.

With all these things considered I have little to know experience in throwing a party. So none of the production aspects of throwing a show bother me in any way. But when it comes to traveling and spending a decent amount of money to go support an event. I would like to see a current big name of the scene at an event, especially for New Year's Eve.

Rectangle is whack, John B has not produced much of anything intriguing or awe inspiring this year. Maybe Collete contributed a good track or two this year; I am not sure. I think both of these parties lack in certain areas, but that is all for the attendees to decide. What experience I wish to attend? I personally do not know which I am attending yet. But I will be sure to take alot of these things to account before I do. I will probably go see locals I have seen in the past. Based solely on the fact that there will be alot of people I want to hang with especially people I know that will attend; that do not go to raves anymore, but the fact that this is in there neck of the Midwest woods. To each their own go to what you think is enticing and worth your time and effort, or what you think will be a break from the norm and will be a life changing experience. Whichever you prefer.
 
Not that we owe anyone any explanations....but I usually retort when the haters come out of the woodwork.

Dayton Gym Club:
Would you rather party at a venue that may or may not get shut down? We opted to pay more on a lock solid venue that has a history of not getting shut down. Yes, that is money that could have went for a headliner, but what good is a headliner if the party gets shut down before they even go on? We wanted to provide a party that would last all night for those who want to stay all night. Yes, we had to sacrifice a headliner to do it, but to us that was a small price to pay for that piece(peace?) of mind for us and everyone else.

Headliners:
As stated above, our budget allowed for either a dope venue that we can trust to let us go all night or get a lower-end headliner. Headliners' booking fees are ridiculous for NYE, and we had HUGE success with doing an all-locals/regionals NYE party back in '03/'04 (Tri-State Love 1). With amplified NYE rates from headliners, the best we would have been able to do is a lower-rated headliner, and then instead of getting slammed for not having a headliner, we'd be slammed for not having a better headliner or someone people have heard of. We can't win for losing, which is the name of the game as promoters. We accept that responsibility, so we made the decision to take the lesser of 2 evils by doing an all local/regional lineup and maybe have a chance at breaking even while showcasing just some of the incredible talent the Midwest has to offer. Sure you may have seen them all several times before, but I highly doubt any of them are going to be putting on the same show they put on two, four, or six months ago (I know I'm not). New tracks are always being dropped...and DJ's are always changing their track selections up. Those who are still in the scene support it with all they have...unfortunately we just don't have as many in the scene that support it like we did at one time. If we were expecting the same amount of people we were expecting for Uno, or the Positive Parties or whatever....we would have shopped for a headliner without a second question.

Voting:
The voting system was very casual, admittedly. Jason and I used our two MySpace accounts and the ITG MySpace account to post bulletins saying we were accepting votes to see who people wanted to see. The people on our lists reposted those bulletins and suddenly we were receiving messages and friend requests from people we had never seen before from all over the Tri-State. Jason explained in the post that not all of the slots would be determined by the votes and that the votes had to be for a local/regional from Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky. We counted the votes and put the winners into the slots that were alotted. I hardly think this is a reason to cry out for Sarbanes-Oxley compliance.

Price:
$20 may seem stiff for some, but it's NYE, and this party goes all night (not 2 or 3am like most bars). $20 before 11pm is not that ridiculous considering every NYE party we have thrown or played for in the past had at least 95% of the total attendance before midnight. (People want to be partying for NYE so they typically show up earlier). The amount of people that pay $15 to attend our 4 hour boat parties is consistently rising again...especially this past year. So why not $5 more for the entire night on a special night? A portion of our proceeds from our events have been going to helping a child with neuroblastoma all year, and this party is no different. So, if you need the justification for paying $5 more to come to this party, how about helping a desperate family in need whose child may or may not survive this horrible disease (http://rescueroman.org) ?

Jay-P Gold, we have dealt with your kind before, and we will deal with more just like you long after this party. If you aren't coming, then don't come. You are certainly welcome to your opinion and vocalize it because your opinions are no sweat on or off our back, but if you have anything CONSTRUCTIVE to contribute we welcome your comments to any of the email addresses at the bottom of this post. Maybe some open dialogue will take that chip off your shoulder and make you realize that after more than a decade, several successful parties, club events, a record store, a booking agency and artist management system, and hundreds of gigs played between the two of us all over the country (and even internationally for Jason), we aren't the [super evil trying to get rich off the scene drugged out douchebags] you may have encountered in the past. Anyone who knows ITG knows the level of integrity we put into everything we do and try with all of our power to uphold. However, we have no obligation to include anyone else in our lineup decisions or our voting system. That's the beauty of being a part of your own crew.....you don't have to answer to anyone else. We counted the votes and we built the lineup...simple as that. So to say we needed to consult you and other promoters or agents just shows your misguided perception of self-importance. Your general negativity is unappreciated, yet I was wondering who it would be this time to start. Just so happens to be you. So, as we have said in the past, our door is open. Drop us an email, give us a call, hell let's go to dinner...give your opinions and comments in a respectful way, and who knows what kind of connections may open up for all of us. But sitting here on your self-righteous-high-and-mighty does nothing for no one, and adds to my perception of you as yet another who is just jaded and can never be satisfied with anything unless your hands are in the cookie jar too.

Everyone: Obviously, there are many choices for everyone to do something on NYE. We are throwing a party. Our parties, and this venue, have been a part of many great memories for a lot of people in the past. This year will be no different. We may not have a "headliner", but regardless of what anyone says I believe we have TALENT on this lineup, and some of it was chosen by those who chose to participate in our request to vote. We hope to see you all there, but if we don't.....BE SAFE AND MAKE THE BEST OUT OF THE NIGHT, IT ONLY COMES ONCE A YEAR!!!!!!

ANYONE who ever wants to contact us regarding upcoming events, booking considerations, to book us for parties, or to ask questions in general (we aren't that hard to find):

inthegrooveproductions.com
myspace.com/inthegrooveproductions

Jimi Turlington (Trip/Digital PsyKosis):
myspace.com/digitalpsyKosis
myspace.com/djdpk
[email protected]

Jason Brooks (Nautigroove)
myspace.com/nautigroove
myspace.com/djnautigroove
[email protected]
 
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Biggstmack said:
Organizing an event of this scale takes a lot of heart and effort on many fronts, so whether you choose to go or not, you have to respect it for that.
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plus, everyone overcharges promoters for NYE. so even venues that are normally, say... $2Gs, are bumped up to 5 or 6Gs, just because of it being NYE.

that's part and parcel of going out on NYE. you're gonna pay more than what you're normally used to.

nauti and crew have been rather fair in their prices for a long while... they give more-than-usual bang for the buck. NYE is a dif't beast altogether -- you can't judge it the same way you would at... oh, i dunno... Thursdays at Club Rack-em-Shack-em.
 
Obyron said:
If the extra 5 dollars is going to break you up, you should probably be staying home for NYE.
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I'd go so far as to say that if it's that big of a deal, you should get a fucking job. It's New Years Eve; shit costs money. People will find anything to bitch about, when they should be happy to see parties like this still occurring in Ohio.

good luck to all throwing this party. if I didn't already have plans, I'd certainly show support and attend, cuz I miss the old skool feel that you just don't get these days at bars and club events.
 
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