Officials: Ecstasy is back, and it's laced with meth

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ALBANY, New York (CNN) -- Nick, 16, says ecstasy is rampant in his high school, with kids often mixing the drug with meth and other substances.

More than half of all ecstasy seized in the United States last year was laced with meth, authorities say.

"You just have to know the right person. It's about as easy as any other drug. You just gotta ask for it," says Nick, who asked that his last name not be used. "It's easy to get."

Law enforcement officials say stories like these highlight a disturbing trend they're seeing across the country. Most alarming, they say, is not only is ecstasy back after years of decline, but most of the time it's laced with meth.

More than 55 percent of the ecstasy samples seized in the United States last year contained meth, according to the Office of National Drug Control Policy, compared with 44.5 percent the previous year. And the drugs are coming in at rapid pace from Canada. Watch ecstasy's pipeline into U.S. »

Almost 5.5 million pills of ecstasy were seized in the states bordering Canada in 2006 (the most recent year for which full statistics are available) -- an almost tenfold increase since 2003, top drug enforcement officials say.

"They drive them in. They bring them in by boat. They bring them in by plane. They bring them across by people just carrying them across their back much like the southwest border," says Ed Duffy, an assistant special agent in charge for the Drug Enforcement Administration's northern region.

Because meth is less expensive than ecstasy, mixing the two saves producers money, but it also makes it more dangerous, officials say.

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Ecstasy can cause sharp increases in body temperature and can result in liver, kidney or heart damage. When laced with meth, officials say, the combination can cause more severe harm because meth can damage brain functions, as well as lead to an increase in breathing, irregular heartbeats and increased blood pressure. The National Institute on Drug Abuse says meth -- or methamphetamine -- is a "very addictive stimulant drug."

Law enforcement officials say European countries cracked down on ecstasy production in the early 2000s and manufacturing moved to Canada. And now, Asian gangs in Canada have been smuggling the chemicals needed to make ecstasy from China and India, officials with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police tell CNN.

Finished pills are then pushed in vast quantities into the United States, a flow that's difficult to stop because of the vast, largely unpoliced border, officials say.

Those on the front lines in Canada and the United States say they are working closely and sharing intelligence to try to stem the flow. Canadian officials also say they have a good relationship with Chinese law enforcement.

The Mounties have created teams across Canada focused on identifying the criminal organizations producing ecstasy and meth and say they have shut down 17 labs in the past year.

"The labs that we're finding now are what you refer to in the United States as super labs. We call them economic-based labs," says Raf Souccar, assistant commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Each lab produces more than 10 pounds of ecstasy in one batch, he says. "It's not your mom and pop operation. It tells me that it is criminal organizations that are, yes, more sophisticated and producing it for profit as opposed to producing it to fuel their habit."

It's then finding its way into schools, like Nick's in Albany, New York.

"I have been seeing an increase in pill use among the teens in general," says Greg Reid, a counselor at Equinox Community Services Agency, which sponsors drug counseling and other activities for youth in Albany.

"They do something called 'pharming' where they throw a bunch of pills into a bowl and kind of choose or take out the pills they want."

Ecstasy pills are often among the drugs of choice in the bowl.

"I have seen that increase in the past two years," Reid says. "Ecstasy ... can be very dangerous, especially if you don't know what it is getting mixed with."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/20/meth.ecstasy/index.html
 
Oh thats a shame, and it was all going so well for them:

Ecstasy use dropped significantly among persons 18 to 25—from 14.8 percent in 2003 to 13.8 percent in 2004 for lifetime use, and from 3.7 percent to 3.1 percent for past year use.

Lifetime**** use dropped significantly among 12th-graders in 2005, from 7.5 percent in 2004 to 5.4 percent.

(http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/ecstasy.html)

"They do something called 'pharming' where they throw a bunch of pills into a bowl and kind of choose or take out the pills they want."

Sweet, i got a bunch of ibuprofen i can throw in, i'll just take some of those oxy's.
 
I call b.s.

Ecstasy is RARELY laced with meth.

At least - from my personal experience with 4 months of rotating pills, and the FBI lab reports coming back from them.

You'd think in 4 months we'd have gotten one bad batch.
No dice.

MDMA - and caffeine.

Other than caffeine, no mind-altering substances were found.
 
Really? What do you mean rotating pills? How many different types did you see the test results for?

Just it makes sense economically, if you can put in 10 mg of meth and halve the amount of mdma needed.

Do you or anyone else think there are 'speedy pills'? I've never come across one that did anything to suspect something else was added.
 
Some speed in pills isnt a bad thing, gives you that boost.. cause when im on MDMA i feel like total potato; dont really wanna move.

meth in pills isnt that rare, but its also not that common.. they are in a large portion of pills.. meth is also a byproduct from mdma synthesis (i think)
 
dorothyperkins said:
Really? What do you mean rotating pills? How many different types did you see the test results for?

Just it makes sense economically, if you can put in 10 mg of meth and halve the amount of mdma needed.

Do you or anyone else think there are 'speedy pills'? I've never come across one that did anything to suspect something else was added.


Well...

5 deals, 5 different presses/batches/sizes...

And there were a few random pills mixed in there.
Plus the memorabilia pills confiscated from my investor's house.


Not one of them came up positive for anything but mdma and caffeine.

All in all I'd say more than 7, less than 15 tests.

That was a year ago though.

So... maybe things have changed.


I don't think the demand is going up that much either - it's just that more people are open about their use, and word is spreading about it faster and easier than it has before.


Drugs aren't seen as BAD so much anymore - at least, not among kids.
They've used them.
They know the government lies.

And the whole thing in Iraq is giving kids more reason to detest the establishment and try things that aren't approved of.
 
Plus the memorabilia pills confiscated from my investor's house.

:! I have no idea what you're talking about but that sounds quite funny!

I doubt use is really going up much either, but then i doubt it went down much. It's crazy they say 'ecstasy back after years of decline' based, apparently, on a survey showing a 0.6% reduction in the number of people taking it in the last year.
 
Mdma is not dangerous at all IMO+IME if taken with moderation... once a month at most... except if you're allergic... but thats normal... some people are just allergic... why you should allways go for a very low dose at first... n fuck pills giving MDMA a bad name...

The people who are most harsh on drugs have never tried any, n are talkin out their ass w/ BS "statistics" according to "INTELLIGENCE" hahhaha... idiots, would'nt that be the same intelligence that said there were WMD's in Iraq... now thats some intelligence ...
 
Swerz said:
meth in pills isnt that rare, but its also not that common.. they are in a large portion of pills.. meth is also a byproduct from mdma synthesis (i think)

Meth is not a byproduct of an mdma synthesis, unless it gets fucked up. really badly. really really badly
 
phatass said:
Mdma is not dangerous at all IMO+IME if taken with moderation... once a month at most... except if you're allergic... but thats normal... some people are just allergic... why you should allways go for a very low dose at first... n fuck pills giving MDMA a bad name...

The people who are most harsh on drugs have never tried any, n are talkin out their ass w/ BS "statistics" according to "INTELLIGENCE" hahhaha... idiots, would'nt that be the same intelligence that said there were WMD's in Iraq... now thats some intelligence ...



I think I like you.
;)

It was the WMD line that drew me in.

That's brilliant. :D
 
Kalash said:
I call b.s.

Ecstasy is RARELY laced with meth.

At least - from my personal experience with 4 months of rotating pills, and the FBI lab reports coming back from them.

You'd think in 4 months we'd have gotten one bad batch.
No dice.

MDMA - and caffeine.

Other than caffeine, no mind-altering substances were found.

It's commonly laced with meth or sometimes only has meth in it where I live (Australia). I'd imagine it'd be the same elsewhere.
 
i'm in chicago, SO MUCH METH in pills here. honestly, you guys should check out some of the test results on pillreports.com, there's ALOT of amphetamine-laced pills out there.. i'd almost call it typical, unless you have access to crystal.

but the huge, looming irony in all of this is that they're always complaining about adulterants in ecstasy being dangerous, yet they don't release any testing results, & they keep ecstasy illegal, thus resulting in a BLACK MARKET. if there's a black market for ANYTHING, these kind of problems will come up... so legalize ecstasy, get us pure mdma, & fix the problem! 8( :! :|
 
Meth bombs = Prohibition

Thank god Marijuana is a plant and only rises in potency instead of decreaseing while being filled with god knows what.

Also I love these made up statistics, these surveys are manipulated to the max. Usually taken at schools where teens could careless what they put down.

Then there's the, "Less busts". Meaning more people are being smart instead of dumb and getting rolled.
 
Psh...yeah, we get some meth-bombs coming through the upper midwest every so often. Most of the time though even if a batch of pills is on the speedy side it is only moderately so; or at least not enough to merit the tag of, "meth-bomb". I have noticed though, that the further away you get from the nearest metropolis the jankier, and more heavily meth-laced the rolls become.
 
im slightly skeptic as to if one was processing say 1000pills, would they really buy a bitch load of meth just to put an active oral dose in each one?

Iv had many'a speedy pill before living on the east coast, fortunately iv also experienced many amazingly decent pills over the years. i think crystals are the only way to go now a days if i ever really get that desire to roll again. The come downs got a lil too harsh on me so i havent for a good while.
 
I definitly enjoy the X:1 ratio of MDMA to speed as long as X isnt less than 3. Its hard to dance when you are a "potato" lol. Stop bitching about the negatives and regulate this wonderful substance... its called ECSTASY for a reason, I have yet to find someone who doesnt like MDMA after trying it.
 
Yeah I don't mind a little speed with my pills. In fact the reason I started using speed was because I enjoyed the combo so much I wanted to be able to dose speed with my MDMA even when the pills were pure.

It's when you end up with shitty doses/ratio's like 30mg MDMA/30mg meth or somthing shitty, where the MDMA dose is so low it's just completely overriden by the meth, that it gets annoying.
 
i've said it before and i'll say it again, if you want E, buy E! if you want pure MDMA buy pure MDMA!

Seriously, dont bitch about dirty speedy pills, just dont buy them and find some molly, everyone who says it doesnt exist is BS, you just need to keep looking.
 
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